Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?

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First Posted: 02-20-08 06:05 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton.

Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral? And why did he incite the animus of countless voters by appearing to angrily and cavalierly dismiss Obama's anti-war credentials?

The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.

Bill Clinton's distinctly negative role first became apparent on January 7 when, in what the Guardian described as a "red-faced, finger-wagging rant," Clinton called Barack Obama's claim of consistent opposition to the Iraq war "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- a remark seen as gratuitously contemptuous and interpreted/spun by Obama supporters (and some neutral observers like Democratic analyst Donna Brazile) to suggest that the former president had dismissed Obama's qualifications for higher office.

A few days later, preceding the January 26 South Carolina primary, Bill Clinton infuriated some black leaders -- and many white Democrats -- when he sought to downplay the significance of a prospective Obama win.

Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, noting that "Jackson won South Carolina twice," in 1984 and 1988 -- but did not get anywhere near winning the White House. In 1984 and 1988, however, Jackson received less than 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina -- far less than Obama won this year. In addition, Bill Clinton said that his wife and Obama "are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender -- that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

The comments provoked anger because Clinton appeared to be trying to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate whose main, if not exclusive, appeal is to African American voters, and not as a candidate with the ability to draw universal support.

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Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina by a bigger margin than expected, 55-27, tying her among white men, and picking up 24 percent of the overall white vote. As her husband predicted, Mrs. Clinton did indeed win white women 42-22.

Posing the question of Bill Clinton's motivations to a number of Democratic and Republican political analysts produced a wide range of answers.

Some did not want to venture into the murky area of motivation. All three of the top partners at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, for example, begged off:

Bill McInturff, "Above my pay grade as a pollster"; Glen Bolger, "I'm not the best person to speculate about Bill Clinton's state of mind on this, so I'll have to respectfully decline"; Neil Newhouse, "OMG - so her win diminishes him in some way. Interesting. But my BA in Psych doesn't qualify me to address this one."

Others, however, were not so shy.

Democratic media consultant James Duffy acknowledged that he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination, but," he noted, "it seems like every step of the way, whether wittingly or unwittingly, he does things that are very destructive to her. Now she has a chance to get what she obviously wants more than anything else, the Presidency, and he steps forward and louses things up for her."

Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos, a man who takes pleasure in speculation, replied to a query with an intriguing email:

"What an interesting idea. 'Who's the fairest of them all?' Cain and Abel. Could be... I would have no way to know... but....I wonder if perhaps it is perhaps the opposite: in trying to prove he wants her to have it 'more than self,' he may be trying too hard... and that explains the loss of his golden touch, which he has certainly and for the first time in his charmed life, lost.


"This is why they don't allow doctors to operate on family members. Like most of us, perhaps he is torn and both impulses are true. Is he diminished if his unique accomplishment is duplicated by his wife, who was the wizard behind the curtain of his success? Yes. Would he do anything to see her elected? I would guess so.

All so human, isn't it?"

In a more down-to-earth commentary, Democratic campaign adviser Dan Gerstein said:

"Possible? Technically yes. But I don't like doing too much sideline psychology, especially when it comes to the Clintons, and trying to guess their motivations. That said, it does seem, at a minimum, that he has lost objectivity/perspective about the campaign, and that his emotions are guiding his behavior as much as if not more than the most gifted political mind of our generation is."

Colby political scientist L. Sandy Maisel said "that certainly is a question that has occurred to me, but I cannot really go there. It seems to be that he was so used to being able to slip out of any hole he dug for himself -- and he is so self-indulgent -- that he could not imagine not saying what he really felt and getting away with it."

Maisel added, however, that he agreed with the premise that Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary may have proved to be "the major cause" of Hillary Clinton's defeat:

"Up until then, she was holding her own with African-American voters and had alienated none of the African-American leadership. After that, she was on the defensive, losing votes and losing confidence. Add ten percent more of the African-American vote in a number of states and she turns losses into wins or lopsided losses into close ones. Given the tight ties she (and he) had with the African-American community before that time--deservedly so in my view--it is hard to place cause elsewhere."

The strongest disagreement with the notion that Bill Clinton might be torpedoing his wife's bid came from the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein:

"I honestly do not think so. I think he deeply wants her to win. It may be part atonement for what he put her through in the White House, partly to advance and cement his presidential legacy. And it is also, believe it or not, that he loves and truly respects her (of course, in his own inimitable way.)"

Asked to comment on the suggestion that Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president or is deeply ambivalent, Clinton's communications director Howard Wolfson replied succinctly, "Oh, please."

No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
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- GayGrandpa I'm a Fan of GayGrandpa 69 fans permalink

It only matters what Hillary does now...it is her campaign and it is over. How prudent and gracious to bow out now for the sake of party unity! How will she ever save any face by going forward? She is going to lose. With all due respect you gotta know when to fold them! It is that time...why not stop now it is only hurting her reputation and her future at this point. She is in denial and so are many of her followers. It is time to take back the White House with a united Democratic Party. Bill and Hillary will only be embarrassed by continuing and will only hurt the Democratic party! It is obvious...I don't know why more are not crying out for them to stop now for the sake of party unity. It is over, her candidacy is over, it is time to stop!

It is time to unite against a great foe that would lead us into a 100 year war!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 02/20/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

Oh please is right.

You should write about Obama not responding to the O'Reilly lynching comment.

He is weak and they will run over him.

The Clintons are fighters and will fight for their family and the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 02/20/2008
- Sisyphuss I'm a Fan of Sisyphuss 13 fans permalink

"The Clintons are fighters..."

Antagonists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 02/20/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 91 fans permalink

Sorry, they don't fight for the people, they use the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 02/21/2008
- yabu I'm a Fan of yabu permalink

Because whenever some right wing lunatic on FOX News says something stupid about them the Obamas should launch a cruise missile.

NOT. They are not that important. I for one don't give a fuck about O'Reilly and most voters don't, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 02/21/2008
- shinybear I'm a Fan of shinybear 5 fans permalink

Not only that but Obama is getting further ahead with his "just ignore it" strategy.

Getting into a pit fight over everything FOX says or for that matter the Clinton campaign just gives them more attention.

He has to chose his battles.

He is so popular he will be able to get away with a lot and we won't care- much like Reagan did with the conservatives and Kennedy did with liberals.

A new teflon president?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 02/21/2008
- Sisyphuss I'm a Fan of Sisyphuss 13 fans permalink

Bill Clinton has a tendency to be careless and impulsive. Simple as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 68 fans permalink

People don't like simplicity, there's no drama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 02/21/2008
- Fernando I'm a Fan of Fernando 29 fans permalink
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Mr. Edsal:

The Right Wing media in the 1990s was unhinged in the way they vilified, crucified and burned Bill Clinton in effigy for just about everything. We were correct in calling them on it.

Now the LEFT media is DOING THE SAME THING! Clinton wags a finger and the headline reads "Meltdown!" Clinton attacks Obama (of course - this is politics!) and people go berserk. Curiously, that is the Bill Clinton we would want to see if Hillary gets the nomination. But now Clinton can't do anything right as far as most of the media is concerned. Obama and his wife can't do no wrong.

If you care to analyze something, analyze why the left has now become the EXACT same thing they used to deride. Analyze THAT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 02/20/2008

Hillary is self-sabotaging.

She has a tin ear for the voice of the people, and perfect pitch for the corner offices.

Her incompetent campaign proves that she is not the person best suited to be President "from day one."

It is more accurate to say that she had a front row seat for decades and learned almost nothing from having it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 02/20/2008

If Hillary loses, it's obviously a MAN'S fault, right?

Hillary voted for the Iraq War.

Hillary voted for Kyl-Lieberman.

Hillary screwed Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 02/20/2008
- shinybear I'm a Fan of shinybear 5 fans permalink

And even in regards to Bill- she either authorized him to say those things or let him get away with it.

She just stood there smugly and said "Well we both have very passionate spouses" as I recall.

She never said she disagreed with what he said.

The blame rests on her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 02/21/2008

Whenever he opens his mouth he sabatoges her campaign. Hillary, put your dog on a leash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/20/2008

I don't know Bill's unconscious motivations but I do recognize Rovian tricks when I see them. Many people thought BIll's attempts to marginalize Obama as the "black" candidate was strategically smart - that is, until it backfired. People are starting to get hip to these dirty tricks. Problem is Bill is no longer the alpha male in democratic politics. He's going to have to step aside and let the next generation step up. MOVE OVER ROVER AND LET OBAMA TAKE OVER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 02/20/2008
- Rubiconski I'm a Fan of Rubiconski 30 fans permalink
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Hillaryous BIO piece on MSNBC on Hillary......how she inspired her class of wealthy white debutantes at Wellesley with her anti-war speech. They were thrilled and some said "someday she will be president."

While still at Wellesley she "scored" big.......nailing and eventually marrying Bill Clinton, future disgraced president. All her friends said "Hillary, honey....are you sure you wanna move to Fayetteville?"

And that's about it......her "credentials" to become president.

OMG!!!!! Totally ridiculous that this woman thinks she's more qualified than Barack Obama!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 02/20/2008
- Purcy I'm a Fan of Purcy 11 fans permalink
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Rubiconski, Hillary is highly qualified, and yes, there are some who believe she is more qualified than Obama. There are others who feel that he is more qualified. Is it so terribly difficult for some of you to give her the credit she actually deserves. Tunnel vision, is that the problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 02/20/2008

OMG!!!!! Your comment is totally ridiculous!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 02/21/2008

With all this as background, I relished my opportunity Tuesday afternoon in Greenville S.C. to ask President Clinton today how he thought the negative tone of his attacks of Sen. Obama would affect his legacy in the south, most notably with the African American community that he has been so popular with. He said that he didn’t worry about his legacy and that he “is not standing in Obama’s way.” But what I thought was truly telling was that he went on to say that he admired Senator Obama and that he “hoped to be able to vote for him one day”. I think the former Presidents admission that he hoped to get a chance to vote for Obama goes to undermine all the dirty tactics that the Clinton campaign has engaged in to this point. If you’re Bill Clinton, you can’t pretend to think Sen. Obama shares Ronald Reagan’s political philosophy one day and the very next say that you would like to vote for him. And I’m sorry but if a former President takes the attack dog role in a political campaign it can’t help but diminish that President’s legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 02/20/2008
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 253 fans permalink
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Very interesting observations. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 02/21/2008

I'm leaving work now but for the last time, will you STOP TRYING TO DIAGNOSE PEOPLE YOU DON"T KNOW! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! You don't know anything about his life, his marriage or his relationship.Please just leave the analysis to TRAINED PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY MET AND TALKED TO THE PERSON and media consultants are NOT qualified. I like this the media consultant James Duffy says he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination" and then he proceeds TO MAKE A PSYCHOLOGICAL DETERMINATION!

Stop it right now!

Thank you,

Freud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 02/20/2008

I lost my temper there. I'll try to be calmer tomorrow and not type in caps.

Freud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/20/2008
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 253 fans permalink
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Nicole. Easy. Easy. Call C.G. Jung rather than Freud. The Jungian gestalt deep structure archetypal analysis level is always much more cosmic and, therefore, always much more psychologically liberating.

You are entirely right through on one level.

As Freud himself said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." But, well, uh, not exactly a good quote to use around Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 02/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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Nicole, I'm sorry to disagree with you, but you absolutely can analyze and diagnose cases in which you have not met the patient. Often, it is a more objective view. I think we have all "known" the Clintons and seen much of their marriage for quite some time. People are allowed to state their opinions and viewpoints. That's kind of the way this whole thing works. If some us feel they recognize a "Narcissist/co-dependent marriage" we are allowed to say that and discuss with one another here on this thread. No one here is claiming they have MET them or are "treating" the Clintons so we can ramble on about it all day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/21/2008
- Jestor I'm a Fan of Jestor 2 fans permalink

Makes one wonder if husband Bill isn't wanting to
SABOTAGE Hillary's chances and he may NOT BE
AWARE that he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 02/20/2008
- RickO I'm a Fan of RickO 57 fans permalink
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And just today, Bill said if Hillary doesn't win Texas and Ohio, he doesn't think she can win the nomination. That may be true,but it it's something a pundit might say and not something that should come from him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 02/20/2008

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13974

9/11 Tops Economist.com's List of Top Ten Conspiracy Theories

(I would add conspiracy theory #11: Chris Matthews was right. Bill Clinton got Linda Tripp, a secretary at Delta Force, to orchestrate the blue dress scandal, in order to propel Hillary into the NY senate seat and then the White House, killing John-John Kennedy along the way in a prop-plane accident (to secure the senate seat).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 02/20/2008

Ornstein is half right, and Castellanos 2nd para is exactly right. In fact, I think he wants it more than she does, and one of the reasons she seems to lack message and compass in this race is that she's not the one with the requisite fire-in-the-belly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 02/20/2008

I've never been a fan of either Bill or Hillary, not even back in the salad days when he was in the White House, BUT...my physician husband and I noticed changes in Bill's personality and demeanor well before this primary season. If you recall, Bill had coronary artery bypass surgery shortly after leaving office, with a difficult recovery. Personality changes, memory loss, fuzzy thinking,and irritability are fairly common in these patients, even long after the surgery. Watching Bill interact with hecklers and media since the surgery, I'd say he definitely no longer has the gracious (altho I always thought rather slimey)ability to charm, and to think on his feet quickly in difficult or tense situations. Check this link.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0815/is_2001_March/ai_71198910

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 02/20/2008
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 52 fans permalink
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Ho hum. Generalizations are not very professional, know what I mean? So you diagnose him as a damaged person, and admit you always thought he was slimy. Would you say that was objective thinking? Naw!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- GayGrandpa I'm a Fan of GayGrandpa 69 fans permalink

I remember him on Charlie Rose recently and I have never seen Charlie so concerned about an interview so out of control by the end of it Charlie was saying, I know you have to go...he said that a couple of times trying to get Bill to end his rant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 02/21/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink
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Not only have I wondered about the psychological effects of bypass surgery on Clinton, but well before that, about Dick Cheney. Brent Scowcroft, one of the men in public life who new Cheney better than most, remarked around the time of the Iraq Study Group that the Dick Cheney that was now vice president was not the Dick Cheney he knew a long time ago. He did not elaborate but it was clear he was referring to Cheney's role in launching the war against Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 02/21/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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I kind of had that in my mind too. People change in unexpected ways after these surgeries. Some people eventually become their jolly old self, but others just change. Having a high profile life with a lot of visibility probably doesn't help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 02/21/2008
- yabu I'm a Fan of yabu permalink

Difficult recovery?

As far as I remeber it was not difficult at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/21/2008
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