Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?

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First Posted: 02-20-08 06:05 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton.

Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral? And why did he incite the animus of countless voters by appearing to angrily and cavalierly dismiss Obama's anti-war credentials?

The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.

Bill Clinton's distinctly negative role first became apparent on January 7 when, in what the Guardian described as a "red-faced, finger-wagging rant," Clinton called Barack Obama's claim of consistent opposition to the Iraq war "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- a remark seen as gratuitously contemptuous and interpreted/spun by Obama supporters (and some neutral observers like Democratic analyst Donna Brazile) to suggest that the former president had dismissed Obama's qualifications for higher office.

A few days later, preceding the January 26 South Carolina primary, Bill Clinton infuriated some black leaders -- and many white Democrats -- when he sought to downplay the significance of a prospective Obama win.

Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, noting that "Jackson won South Carolina twice," in 1984 and 1988 -- but did not get anywhere near winning the White House. In 1984 and 1988, however, Jackson received less than 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina -- far less than Obama won this year. In addition, Bill Clinton said that his wife and Obama "are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender -- that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

The comments provoked anger because Clinton appeared to be trying to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate whose main, if not exclusive, appeal is to African American voters, and not as a candidate with the ability to draw universal support.

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Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina by a bigger margin than expected, 55-27, tying her among white men, and picking up 24 percent of the overall white vote. As her husband predicted, Mrs. Clinton did indeed win white women 42-22.

Posing the question of Bill Clinton's motivations to a number of Democratic and Republican political analysts produced a wide range of answers.

Some did not want to venture into the murky area of motivation. All three of the top partners at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, for example, begged off:

Bill McInturff, "Above my pay grade as a pollster"; Glen Bolger, "I'm not the best person to speculate about Bill Clinton's state of mind on this, so I'll have to respectfully decline"; Neil Newhouse, "OMG - so her win diminishes him in some way. Interesting. But my BA in Psych doesn't qualify me to address this one."

Others, however, were not so shy.

Democratic media consultant James Duffy acknowledged that he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination, but," he noted, "it seems like every step of the way, whether wittingly or unwittingly, he does things that are very destructive to her. Now she has a chance to get what she obviously wants more than anything else, the Presidency, and he steps forward and louses things up for her."

Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos, a man who takes pleasure in speculation, replied to a query with an intriguing email:

"What an interesting idea. 'Who's the fairest of them all?' Cain and Abel. Could be... I would have no way to know... but....I wonder if perhaps it is perhaps the opposite: in trying to prove he wants her to have it 'more than self,' he may be trying too hard... and that explains the loss of his golden touch, which he has certainly and for the first time in his charmed life, lost.


"This is why they don't allow doctors to operate on family members. Like most of us, perhaps he is torn and both impulses are true. Is he diminished if his unique accomplishment is duplicated by his wife, who was the wizard behind the curtain of his success? Yes. Would he do anything to see her elected? I would guess so.

All so human, isn't it?"

In a more down-to-earth commentary, Democratic campaign adviser Dan Gerstein said:

"Possible? Technically yes. But I don't like doing too much sideline psychology, especially when it comes to the Clintons, and trying to guess their motivations. That said, it does seem, at a minimum, that he has lost objectivity/perspective about the campaign, and that his emotions are guiding his behavior as much as if not more than the most gifted political mind of our generation is."

Colby political scientist L. Sandy Maisel said "that certainly is a question that has occurred to me, but I cannot really go there. It seems to be that he was so used to being able to slip out of any hole he dug for himself -- and he is so self-indulgent -- that he could not imagine not saying what he really felt and getting away with it."

Maisel added, however, that he agreed with the premise that Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary may have proved to be "the major cause" of Hillary Clinton's defeat:

"Up until then, she was holding her own with African-American voters and had alienated none of the African-American leadership. After that, she was on the defensive, losing votes and losing confidence. Add ten percent more of the African-American vote in a number of states and she turns losses into wins or lopsided losses into close ones. Given the tight ties she (and he) had with the African-American community before that time--deservedly so in my view--it is hard to place cause elsewhere."

The strongest disagreement with the notion that Bill Clinton might be torpedoing his wife's bid came from the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein:

"I honestly do not think so. I think he deeply wants her to win. It may be part atonement for what he put her through in the White House, partly to advance and cement his presidential legacy. And it is also, believe it or not, that he loves and truly respects her (of course, in his own inimitable way.)"

Asked to comment on the suggestion that Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president or is deeply ambivalent, Clinton's communications director Howard Wolfson replied succinctly, "Oh, please."

No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
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Bill desperately wants to get back into the White House, and Hillary winning is the only way he's ever going to do it. Bill is merely a surrogate here doing Hillary's bidding. Bill, Mark Penn, and others have said some very questionable things, and I think it's all part of a really bad campaign strategy. I think people are overanalyzing this way too much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 02/20/2008

I think the arrogance of always escaping the consequences of his own actions finally caught up with him.

What stands out is that his actions now have consequences for others - mainly his own wife.
Bill the candidate could have gotten away with a lot of this stuff. Bill the tout drags down the aspirations of others.

I think the entire Clinton campaign miscalculated their weaknesses. Hillary has always had high and consistant negatives. What did they ever do to overcome those numbers? Nothing - Hillary's a fighter. Their campaign seemed to be structured to have the primary over and the nomination in the bag after super Tuesday. Instead, they were out of money, out of ideas, suffered major campaign staff turnover, and a downward trend in her support for what she considered her base.

All in all, this may be the most incompetent campaign this country has seen for years. Add the arrogant husband and you have the recipe for disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 02/20/2008
- monique I'm a Fan of monique 11 fans permalink

Mr. Edsall,

You really need to find something to do with your idle mind because this is about the lamest piece I have ever read on HuffPost.

Just saw Bill out on the trail today. His rallies started at 8:30 this morning, one after another.

Are you crazy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 02/20/2008
- jadez I'm a Fan of jadez 3 fans permalink

what a silly headline.

Bill is like the old prize fighter who just cant stay retired.
He needs to be in the ring one last time .
He believes he still has what it takes,what he used to win the chanpionship before.

But he has lost a few steps and his natural insticts have slowed just enough,that he simply is not the same guy he once was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 02/20/2008

Campaign trail is a great place to pick up groupies. Take a tip from Nelson Rockefeller though, Bill. No standing up in showers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 02/21/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 162 fans permalink

I don't think that anybody fully understands the enigma that is the Bill/Hillary Clinton relationship, not even Bill and Hillary themselves. As far as I'm concerned, they're both psychopaths of different sorts that don't really interact with anyone in a normal manner. They're not real people, they exist in a persistent quest to please some imagined observer.

The underlying failure of Hillary's campaign is the inability to realize how pushing the buttons of one demographic slice touches the buttons of others. In other words, bad things happen when a message that should be narrowcast (as per Penn's slice-and-dice micro-trend theory) is broadcast instead. Bill reached his target audience with the "Obama as a black candidate" message, but he also reached every other demographic, many of which, from the perspective of the Clinton campaign, should not have ever received that message.

If we take another step back, it stands to question whether narrowcast techniques could have possibly been effective in this race, even if they'd have been more careful with their messaging. In an intense national campaign with 24/7 media coverage and a dynamic web-based echo chamber, is it possible to get the right messages to the right people without them spilling into the wrong demographics? When Bill ran for president, the web was still a twinkle in Al Gore's eye...

For whatever reason -- the web, the genius of Obama/Axelrod, the overwhelming sense that it's our politics rather than just our policies that are failing, etc. -- this race was about capturing the imagination of the people with big ideas and a unifying sense of collective purpose. The Clintons played narrowcast, cerebral politics at a moment in time that called for broadcast, emotional politics. They hired a pollster to run a marketer's race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 02/20/2008

This is the most interesting take on the relationship of the Internet and democracy that I've seen in some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 02/21/2008
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Bill Clinton loves and Respects his wife the way a man loves his trusty battle axe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 02/20/2008

It's not ALL Bill's fault. The blame falls squarely on those ASS UGLY trolls, Penn and Wolfson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 02/20/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1565 fans permalink
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The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.
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I am supporting Obama and I have quite a few things I hold against Hillary and Bill Clinton.

That said, Mr. Thomas B. Edsall, I think you are a despicable human being, intersted only in mud-slinging based on pure crap that you seem to pull out of thin air.

As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Edsall, you lost any credibility you had by posting this article.

It is political hacks like you that need to be removed permanently from public discourse before any positive change in American politics is possible.

Shame on you. And, yes, go ahead and get me banned from this web site that allows you to post such garbage.



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 02/20/2008

I don't know what's in Bill Clinton's heart.

I can only speculate that from the way he jumped to his wife's defense in New Hampshire, I'd have to say no. He truly wants Hillary to win. He had the most honorable intentions from what I can tell.

In all fairness though, it would appear that the gifted political minds and abilities of the Clinton's just happen to be facing a movement that's rendering their strengths into weaknesses.

It's simply not their year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 02/20/2008
- slok I'm a Fan of slok permalink

Its not Bill, its the handlers around Hillary. Its Hillary's fault -- why the heck was Patti Solis Doyle at the head of this operation? She needed Carville and Begula -- or they should have taken Axelrod....... its her own damn fault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 02/20/2008
- cambio I'm a Fan of cambio 4 fans permalink

I don't think he did it on purpose, I don't think the Clintons are nearly as brilliant as people make them out to be. I think they thought it was in the bag, and didn't know how to stand back up after Obama knocked them down in Iowa. Also, I don't think Hillary could have won this, even without the mistakes, because Obama is the superior candidate through and through. I think they really did think race-baiting would work, and I think Bill was really angry and lashed out at Obama a few times, like with the Iraq thing...I don't think it was a result of anyone trying to ruin the campaign. Bill didn't make Hillary vote for the war and support it for years. They were just inferior candidates, and they were up against someone much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 02/20/2008

I'm on the fence on this one although it's possible that Bill Clinton has conflicting feelings about Hillary becoming the top dog.

But it may be dispositive that we and the media have seriously misjudged Bill Clinton's political capabilities and that his success in the 1990s (such as it was) was due as more to luck and timing than to superb political skills.

Certainly, in watching Hillary's campaign, there is zero evidence of underlying political skills. She's a good enough debater but, as a political strategist, she (and Bill as he is presumably her top adviser) seems to be deficient (bad organization, bad message, bad fund raising, etc.).

So perhaps that's the bottom line - neither Hillary nor Bill Clinton is a brilliant politician, and we are just discovering that now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 02/20/2008

As long as she loses, who cares what Bills motivations are?

Go Bill!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 02/20/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1565 fans permalink
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Fair minded people care. Winning means nothing if you don't belive in what you are fighting for. I support Obama because I agree with him that political climate in this country needs to change.

Edsall is a political hack of the worst kind. By posting this garbage, he is hurting all decent democrats, and hurting our country.

Edsall should be denounced in the strongest possible terms.

Our goal should be to win this election for Obama, not to destroy Clintons, or anyone else for that matter, and especially not at such a personal level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 02/20/2008

I disagree. From the psych and family therapy perspective this is a valid question to ask. Edsall was very clear that guessing at a person's unconscious motivation can never produce dependable results without the individual's cooperation is such a soul-searching endeavor.

Nevertheless, it is quite common in the family dynamic for "sabatoge" to occur when the homeostasis of defined family roles and structure are threatened. I commend Mr. Edsall for posing a question that is perhaps too sophisticated for many people here to appreciate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 02/20/2008
- PJay I'm a Fan of PJay 6 fans permalink

AMEN!!
ROFLMAO!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 02/20/2008

If Hillary can't put together a decent campaign organization, why would anyone think she could put together an effective government?

Experience is as experience does, and Hillary's doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 02/20/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 62 fans permalink

That may be true. Bush has been extremely effective at governing the country. Of course,HUsseini, Stalin and Hitler ran effective governments, too. JImmy Carter ran an effective campaign, but I can't say history labelled his government as effective...I guess there really is no rule that goes either way all the time. For some, the position or the circumstances that occur thrust them into greatness, for others the victory was the best they could do. We will never know, most likely. We are most likely, to learn if a good campaign strategy translates to good governing. That may be the real issue of Hope. We Hope if he wins his goal, he can govern effectively.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 02/20/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 62 fans permalink


By the way, effective governance does not equate with good governance. Socialism is far more effective than a Democratic system, but I would rather have a little mess than total effectiveness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 02/20/2008

No, but Huff Po sure is! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 02/20/2008
- DaRight I'm a Fan of DaRight 6 fans permalink

......

Let's see....

Bill could be under all kinds of scrutiny for his Chicks and $$$ over the last 7 years and trapped in the Whitehouse with Hillary

OR

He could be spending his millions BIRD DOG'IN CHICKS & BANG'IN BEAVER as a single man

Hmmmmmmmm.....What to do Bill?


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 02/20/2008

What an ass you are.
For God's sakes don't you people ever get tired of repeating righ wing neo-con talking points

you people have got to be the poorest least gracious supposed winners I have ever seen.
You so suck.

How many Republicans have we heard say "I don't want Bill roaming around the white house with nothing to do."?

Are you kidding me?
This man is pretty busy. Do you and your republican friends live under a rock? the guy is all over the world working for this cause and that.

Stop being stupid.

My God, this is the level of changing the tone of politics from Obama supporters, eh?

sure it is.
Can't wait to see you knocking him down when you realize YOU have to do the work, not Obama.
It doesn't look like you and your friends here are going to be up to the task given your idiotic and hateful rhetoric.
YEP, politics as usual.

fricking idiots.
Thanks for pushing me out of the hopeful moments I had in this election cycle. You and yours are an embarrassment to the Democratic party and are making the word "Progressive" a dirty wave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 02/20/2008
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