McCain, Obama Battle Over Pakistan

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First Posted: 02-20-08 12:21 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angeles Times reports.

"The best idea is not to broadcast what you're going to do, that's naive," said McCain, who also questioned the very notion of "bombing Pakistan without their permission." ...


In a conference call with reporters to respond, Obama foreign policy advisor Susan Rice said that McCain was "misrepresenting and distorting Barack Obama's positions" and argued that the Democrat "never suggested bombing an ally."

"McCain promises more war in Iraq," she said. "Obama will end the war in Iraq and focus on terrorists in Afghanistan."

TNR: McCain Is Lying: Jonathan Chait writes for The New Republic:

Last night John McCain accused Barack Obama of, among other things, having "once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan." This is a lie. ... There is nothing in Obama's speech, or any other Obama speech, about "bombing" Pakistan. Both implicitly and explicitly, he called for small, Special Operations-type incursions. ...


Meanwhile, you know who is coming closer to "bombing an ally"? The Bush administration, whose determined prosecution of the war on terror McCain continues to tout. The Washington Post reported -- as it happens, the same day McCain made his smear -- that the CIA launched Hellfire missiles at an al Qaeda operative in Pakistan. As the Post noted, "Having requested the Pakistani government's official permission for such strikes on previous occasions, only to be put off or turned down, this time the U.S. spy agency did not seek approval."

So, to review: Obama did not call for bombing Pakistan, ever. Meanwhile the Bush administration is undertaking air attacks against targets in Pakistan. Is this wildly irresponsible? I suppose you could make that case. But McCain isn't interested in an argument about the merits of striking al Qaeda against the costs of undermining Pervez Musharraf. He's just interested in lying about what Obama said in order to portray him as a foreign policy novice.

Matthew Yglesias has much more from the Obama campaign call with Susan Rice:

[O]n experience there's a three-pronged attack. First, Obama does have experience, with Rice citing the fact that he authored "crucial legislation to secure the United States from the threat of loose nuclear materials" and serves on committees and subcommittees dealing with foreign relations, veterans affairs, and homeland security. Second, this means that Obama has actually "acquired more traditional washington foreign policy experience" than most presidents including Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter (Carter in fact served on a nuclear sub and I'm told this gave him a better understanding of nuclear issues than presidents before or after).


Third, there's more to life than being a prisoner of DC conventional wisdom -- "McCain, like Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney may have years of Washington experience" but they've all made "flawed judgments and as a consequence we're less safe." In a crucial point, Rice observed (emphasis added) that a McCain administration would be "very much a continuation and intensification of the failed Bush policy, remaining in Iraq indefinitely not investing adequately in Afghanistan."

Time's Joe Klein asks, "McCain -- Soft on Al Qaeda?"

"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angel...
"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angel...
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I'm starting to really wonder if McCain, wondering if he's entering the first stages of senility. I watch him and he doesn't seem to be nearly as sharp and quick as he was not all that long ago. At times during his speeches he appears almost lost, he pauses at inappropriate moments, repeats himself continually, uses the same phrases again and again. I'm no expert but he doesn't strike me as being on his game at all, I think he's loosing the bubble. After Reagan, the last thing we need is another senile hawk in the White House. Aside from that anybody else getting tired already of 'my friends'. I can't imagine hearing that every other word in every speech he gives between now and November!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 02/20/2008

Keep talking Grandpa. Your sending your self straight to the old folks home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- Jaybot I'm a Fan of Jaybot 10 fans permalink

And in another post, some didn't think it appropriate to poke fun of McCain's age? Sorry, the man's past it, put the senile old prick out to pasture already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/20/2008
- JUSTME I'm a Fan of JUSTME 17 fans permalink

I think McCain's gone squirrely on us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 02/20/2008
- reverence I'm a Fan of reverence 13 fans permalink

The Bush administration has fed this country one lie after another from the time they arrived in Washington. Entering into evil and changing laws that stood in their way by having George W. sign creative signing statements. This is all true to their Neo-Conservative beliefs that come right out of the PNAC think tank, who worship Machavelli. They have embrased McCain and he too has embrased him. He has started by lying about his competition in the primaries, he has entered into a much darker evil by no longer standing 100% against torcher. Now he is lying about what Obama has said. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am sick and tired of the doom, gloom, dark ages, and fear mongering of the Neo-Conservatives that have hijacked the Republican party. As an end note, don't be surprised if sometime before November the headlines announce the capture or death of Bin Laudin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/20/2008

And don't forget McCain doesn't respect women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 02/20/2008

Is it me or is it irresponsible to make statements or claims like this? Given what we're up against internationally, you know, trying to rebuild our image.

Politics is so freaking nasty...I'­ve afraid even these two relatively civilized candidates are going to end up slinging pig shit at each other before it's over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/20/2008

Problem is, this has been taken totally out of context; a/k/a slinging pig shit !!!

Bush made this comment a week or so ago, and McCain is picking up on it.

This is going to get messier, and messier. When you read a statement like this, do a little research, and you'll find what the candidate actually DID say, has been spun out of control.

People voting for Obama need to be very strong in the next weeks and months. Yes; the pig shit is gonna fly !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 02/20/2008
- fivecard I'm a Fan of fivecard 3 fans permalink

Wait a minute--let me get this straight. John McCain doesn't want to go after al-Qaeda? I thought he was supposed to be strong on national security.

Go Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 02/20/2008
- Seafarer61 I'm a Fan of Seafarer61 7 fans permalink

McCain is going to clean Obama's clock on national security issues. It starts with Pakastan.


Spin it Obamanista­s....it makes no difference to this vet. You don't discuss national security matters regarding nuclear nations in a public forum...wh­at a tool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 02/20/2008
- KPinSEA I'm a Fan of KPinSEA 11 fans permalink

At first, I'd respond to this by saying it's ridiculous.

But let's face it, this is the country that decided a privileged, combat-dodging daddy's boy who couldn't even fulfill his domestic Guard service honorably was a great War Leader compared to a decorated combat veteran. So ... anything is possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/20/2008

Good point, KP...with ya there !!!!

IF...JUST IF...Obama had made this statement, the way it's being construed, I would be concerned as well. Never happened..­.spin...sp­in...spin.­...

Republicans and "near Republicans" (like AnninCA) will believe anything !!!!

Most scary !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/20/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Obama deserves to be blasted for his naive foreign policy statements.

Welcome to the world beyond "victim" thinking, Obama.

It's really not about "healing our souls."

LOL*

I cannot believe we're really going to let this idiot have power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 02/20/2008

Yeah right - I'm sure Harvard law school is filled with idiots.

Both Obama and Clinton are smart capable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 02/20/2008
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 22 fans permalink
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McCain knows that al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan are Saudis protected by GW Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 02/20/2008
- zitlight73 I'm a Fan of zitlight73 40 fans permalink

"Hey Obama you're working my side of the street. I'm the crazy old bastard who wants to bomb people for the next 100 years, get your own schtick." John McInsane

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 02/20/2008

WHAT!!!! This is the same guy that wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years, the same guy that passionately admonished his own people for waterboarding being torture and illegal then vote against banning said illegality and torture. McCain is a fraud and talks like Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 02/20/2008

McCain never said the Iraq war should or would continue for 100 years. From FACTCHECK.org "That of course is a serious distortion of what McCain actually said to a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire back on Jan. 3. His actual words are posted in a video on YouTube. Far from advocating "endless war," he said the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq would be "fine with me" provided that they're not being killed or wounded. Here's the full quote:

McCain, Jan. 3: Make it a hundred. ... We’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me, as long as American, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. It’s fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintained a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day.

It should be noted that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, despite their frequent talk of withdrawing from Iraq, have said repeatedly that they would maintain at least some troops in a combat role in Iraq for some time, possibly their entire term of office."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 02/20/2008

.


This is the republican's only hope:

frame the entire election about terror, war, fear, 9/11, fear, terror, and more terror.

and some more fear.

and lie about it all, of course.


You'd betta step off grampa!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 02/20/2008
- KPinSEA I'm a Fan of KPinSEA 11 fans permalink

Nobody should be that surprised that The Straight Talk Express got derailed into the usual Baffle Them With Bullshit Local once McCain became the RNC's frontrunner. You can't even be the RNC frontrunner without buying that ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 02/20/2008

I have one thing to say to McCain, using his "own" words (well, rifting on or lifting an old song lyric):

"Bomb, Bomb, Bomb; Bomb, Bomb, Iran"

The fantastic notion that Obama wants to out-bomb the bomb-man, McCain -- this is not a comment from a sane man. First imagine how the presidency ages a man. Now imagine how it will accelerate his senility.

The Europeans bled through a Hundred Years' War. McCain, learning nothing from history or his personal war experience, advocates bleeding American youth through another Hundred Years' War in the Mideast. Judgment doesn't even enter the picture as his too many years have taught him nothing.

Caveat: (a Biblical omen) McCain isn't Abel. And he won't be Abel from day one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 02/20/2008
- batgirlevi I'm a Fan of batgirlevi 9 fans permalink

Stop with your rovian lies mccrazy.

I really think this guy is going to end up needing a straight jacket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 02/20/2008
- kappa08 I'm a Fan of kappa08 77 fans permalink
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He will eventually snap...jus­t keep prodding the inflexible codger. His temper is not suited for what is about to HIT him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 02/20/2008

He's just afraid Obama will beat him to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 02/20/2008
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