McCain, Obama Battle Over Pakistan

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First Posted: 02-20-08 12:21 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angeles Times reports.

"The best idea is not to broadcast what you're going to do, that's naive," said McCain, who also questioned the very notion of "bombing Pakistan without their permission." ...


In a conference call with reporters to respond, Obama foreign policy advisor Susan Rice said that McCain was "misrepresenting and distorting Barack Obama's positions" and argued that the Democrat "never suggested bombing an ally."

"McCain promises more war in Iraq," she said. "Obama will end the war in Iraq and focus on terrorists in Afghanistan."

TNR: McCain Is Lying: Jonathan Chait writes for The New Republic:

Last night John McCain accused Barack Obama of, among other things, having "once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan." This is a lie. ... There is nothing in Obama's speech, or any other Obama speech, about "bombing" Pakistan. Both implicitly and explicitly, he called for small, Special Operations-type incursions. ...


Meanwhile, you know who is coming closer to "bombing an ally"? The Bush administration, whose determined prosecution of the war on terror McCain continues to tout. The Washington Post reported -- as it happens, the same day McCain made his smear -- that the CIA launched Hellfire missiles at an al Qaeda operative in Pakistan. As the Post noted, "Having requested the Pakistani government's official permission for such strikes on previous occasions, only to be put off or turned down, this time the U.S. spy agency did not seek approval."

So, to review: Obama did not call for bombing Pakistan, ever. Meanwhile the Bush administration is undertaking air attacks against targets in Pakistan. Is this wildly irresponsible? I suppose you could make that case. But McCain isn't interested in an argument about the merits of striking al Qaeda against the costs of undermining Pervez Musharraf. He's just interested in lying about what Obama said in order to portray him as a foreign policy novice.

Matthew Yglesias has much more from the Obama campaign call with Susan Rice:

[O]n experience there's a three-pronged attack. First, Obama does have experience, with Rice citing the fact that he authored "crucial legislation to secure the United States from the threat of loose nuclear materials" and serves on committees and subcommittees dealing with foreign relations, veterans affairs, and homeland security. Second, this means that Obama has actually "acquired more traditional washington foreign policy experience" than most presidents including Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter (Carter in fact served on a nuclear sub and I'm told this gave him a better understanding of nuclear issues than presidents before or after).


Third, there's more to life than being a prisoner of DC conventional wisdom -- "McCain, like Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney may have years of Washington experience" but they've all made "flawed judgments and as a consequence we're less safe." In a crucial point, Rice observed (emphasis added) that a McCain administration would be "very much a continuation and intensification of the failed Bush policy, remaining in Iraq indefinitely not investing adequately in Afghanistan."

Time's Joe Klein asks, "McCain -- Soft on Al Qaeda?"

"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angel...
"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angel...
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- nirak I'm a Fan of nirak 9 fans permalink

What the hell is this old geezer talking about?
Someone should remind him that the US bombed Pakistan in January without notifying Pakistan.

McCain is done, stick a fork in him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/20/2008
- Emuh I'm a Fan of Emuh permalink

In an August 2007 speech, Senator Obama said that the US should take military action against Pakistan if Pakistan does not "act" against "terrorists targets" many believe are in the mountains of Pakistan. Here is what Obama said: "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will." This kind of military action against Pakistan, the country with the second largest Islamic populations in the world, could result in many people, including innocent people, being harmed and could inflame many Muslims who are already angry at the US for the invasion of Iraq. This could result in greater violence in the world. And, as we see with the assassination of Benizir Bhutto, Pakistan is a society with internal turmoil. A US attack on Pakistan would make it harder to nurture the democratic impulses in Pakistan.

For the reasons I mentioned, I strongly object to Obama saying this in the speech. And this unreasonable position contributes to my thinking that Senator Clinton is more ready than Senator Obama to conduct US foreign policy over the next four to eight years. I voted for Clinton in the primary. I think that she should be the Democratic nominee and that she should choose Obama to be her running-mate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/20/2008

McCain would rather bomb Iran and put US troops at further risk in Iraq, since pissed off Iranians can reap havoc on US supply lines in Southern Iraq not to mention shipping in the Gulf. I think what Obama said, that if he had actionable intelligence he would go after OBL in Pakistan since the Pakistanis after taking billons of dollars from the Bush Administration haven’t. So that means McCain will not go after the men who actually killed 3000 people on 9-11 but is willing sacrifice more American troops in Iraq for big oil, some commander and chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 02/20/2008

McCain is just going to steal all the lies that Bush used against him. I can't wait until he accuses Obama of having a black baby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/20/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 19 fans permalink
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heh heh... that were funny...

i wonder if johnny boy will profess to bring honor and dignity to the white house too and be in charge in a super dooper grown up fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 02/20/2008

Moderator: If you had actionable intelligence as to the location of Taliban or Al Qaeda members inside Iraq; would you bomb without the permission of Pakistan

Obama: Yes I would

Hmmm, seems pretty damn clear to me.

Obama: No it's not fair to use my words or my wifes words against us. You must let us tell you what we MEANT to say. Damn you for quoting me damn you to hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 02/20/2008
- nuglet304 I'm a Fan of nuglet304 2 fans permalink
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haha. best line of the day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 02/20/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 19 fans permalink
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bomb bomb bomb
bomb bomb iran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

too bad he didn't let it rip in john ashcroft fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/20/2008

We can infer from this that countries who harbor terrorists are "with us".

Like Rush Limbaugh owing ALL his success to the Clintons, Al Qaeda is the right wing's bread and butter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/20/2008
- gallonjug I'm a Fan of gallonjug 6 fans permalink

Was not the US military bombing al qaeda in pakistan while Mr. McCain was ridiculing obama for keeping that option on the table? This is a truly bizarre turn, McCain attacking Obama for being too strong on terror?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 02/20/2008

Good question

Answer= NO

Any other questions you would like to ask but are too stupid to look up yourself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 02/20/2008

The headline really grabbed my attention: McCain claims Obama wants to bomb Pakistan??? Really? That's great, because I thought all Dems were pinko, faggot pussies with no compulsion to bomb anyone!!! What's that leave YOU, John-Boy??? Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 02/20/2008

The White House in January of 09'.

Anything else sparky?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 02/20/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

This is why McCain will lose handily to Obama. These rediculous attacks, much like Clintons attacks, do not hit the mark and end up making McCain look foolish and unpresidential.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 02/20/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 19 fans permalink
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like his and his wife's mimickry of the obamas re "fired up ready to go" and the totally bullshit "i'm proud of my country" bullshit upon bullshit upon a neverending supply of gop bullshit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 02/20/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

If McCain calls me "my friend" one more time I'm gonna kick my TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/20/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 19 fans permalink
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is johnny boy daft?

has johnny boy lost his last marble?

is johnny boy playing with a full deck?

has johnny boy been THIS STUPID his whole life or is this just old age setting in?

voters want to know if when they consider hiring another BRAAAAAAAAAAAIN DEEEEEEEEEEEEAD presidunce who will be easily lead around by his pierced nose by OOO OOO OOOSAMA BIN FORGOTTON!!!!

GO JOHNNY BOY!!! LET'ER RIP!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 02/20/2008
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Lies like this one is why Obama is exactly right when it comes to whether or not he should taking public financing or not! He shouldn'd! He will need lots of money to fend off naked lies like this one. Obama never said he would bomb Pakistan! What he did say that if we had actionable intelligence on the location of a high value target and the paks were not doing anything about it that we would strike with or without permission of the government there. Not a mass bombing but a precision strike, we need to fight these people the isreali way, take them out them where they live. Not spending trillions of dollars invading a country that did nothing to us. Obama should go private with money because he is going to need at least 150 million to fend off all those republican 527's out there who will open up on him when we finally knockout Billary in two weeks! McCain will prove himself a week candidate, not only does the republican hate him but his so what you lost your job, get over it straight talk won't fly. We are looking at a 60-65% Democrat wipeout come November. President Obama! Rolls of the tongue doesn't it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 02/20/2008

"Lies like this one is why Obama is exactly right when it comes to whether or not he should taking public financing or not! He shouldn'd! "

Posts like this one is why we need to seriously overhaul our education system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 02/20/2008
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Way to avoid the point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 02/20/2008
- bdl0715 I'm a Fan of bdl0715 8 fans permalink

And the CIA did the very thing Obama was suggesting. Guess no one told McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/20/2008
- laocoon I'm a Fan of laocoon 30 fans permalink

For a long time what you say is not what matters. It is what they say you said. Ask Gore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 02/20/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

McCain: "Friends. I've fought in wars. I understand war. So will your children. Their children too."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 02/20/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 19 fans permalink
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...my friends... and their friends too... my friends....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 02/20/2008
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 196 fans permalink

Obama said that he would invade Pakistan to get Osama bin Laden. He did not sing Bomb. bomb. bomb, Iran, as did Mad John.

Michelle said the she was really proud - not just "proud."

McCain is a fraud. Check out the two versions of what was said by Michelle and what Obama said about Pakistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/20/2008

Wow you spin like a top.

Michelle Obama clearly said (her own damn words) that for the first time in her adult life she is proud of America.

"My Husband is god and until he has a shot at the White House this country gives me no reason to be proud. Love me love me, until then this country sucks."

Waaaaaa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 02/20/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

Did your Mom ever admit that she had had an ugly baby?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 02/20/2008
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 24 fans permalink
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McCain knows that al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan are protected Saudis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 02/20/2008
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Is he afraid that Obama wants to divert bombs that McCain wants to drop on Iran or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 02/20/2008
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