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Missile Hits Dying US Spy Satellite

ROBERT BURNS | February 20, 2008 11:51 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — A Navy missile soaring 130 miles above the Pacific smashed a dying and potentially deadly U.S. spy satellite Wednesday and probably destroyed a tank carrying 1,000 pounds of toxic fuel, officials said.

Officials had expressed cautious optimism that the missile would hit the satellite, which was the size of a school bus. But they were less certain of hitting the smaller, more problematic fuel tank, whose contents posed what Bush administration officials deemed a potential health hazard to humans if it landed intact.

In a statement announcing that the Navy missile struck the satellite, the Pentagon said, "Confirmation that the fuel tank has been fragmented should be available within 24 hours." It made no mention of early indications, but a defense official close to the situation said later that officials monitoring the collision saw what appeared to be an explosion, indicating that the fuel tank was hit.

The USS Lake Erie, armed with an SM-3 missile designed to knock down incoming missiles _ not orbiting satellites _ launched the attack at 10:26 p.m. EST, according to the Pentagon. It hit the satellite about three minutes later as the spacecraft traveled in polar orbit at more than 17,000 mph.

Because the satellite was orbiting at a relatively low altitude at the time it was hit by the missile, debris will begin to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere immediately, the Pentagon statement said.

"Nearly all of the debris will burn up on re-entry within 24-48 hours and the remaining debris should re-enter within 40 days," it said.

The use of the Navy missile amounted to an unprecedented use of components of the Pentagon's missile defense system, designed to shoot down hostile ballistic missiles in flight _ not kill satellites.

The operation was so extraordinary, with such intense international publicity and political ramifications, that Defense Secretary Robert Gates _ not a military commander _ was to make the final decision to pull the trigger.

The government organized hazardous materials teams, under the code name "Burnt Frost," to be flown to the site of any dangerous or otherwise sensitive debris that might land in the United States or elsewhere.

Also, six federal response groups that are positioned across the country by the Federal Emergency Management Agency have been alerted but not activated, FEMA spokesman James McIntyre said. "These are purely precautionary and preparedness actions only," he said.


 
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If they hadn't kept harping on "the dangerous fuel escaping," I might buy it. However, since a fuel tank, and the LIQUID inside, are the LAST things that will survive reentry at 17,500 mph, I have to say it's a pathetic excuse for an official explanation. Oh, and guess what? A missile hit doesn't make liquid fuel disappear! Some of it may have reacted with the oxidizer but the rest still came down! In fact, there may have been as much of the very same fuel & oxidizer remaining on the Columbia when it broke up, and not a word of caution went out. (not to mention that the nitrogen tetroxide oxidizer is way more dangerous than the hydrazine fuel, but that could be the usual oversimplification for the public) Remember Skylab and that Russian spy satellite? The only concern about uncontrolled entry is heavy, dense components hitting something because they didn't burn up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 02/22/2008

THIS WHOLE THING MAY HAVE BEEN FAKED! The news footage shows a huge, bright, explosion, just like something out of Lucas' Star Wars movies. Only problem is, there's zero oxygen in soace. 150 miles up is a vacuum. So how did the satellite parts ignite and oxidize in such a spectacular fireball if there's no oxygen for ignition? They're tring to cover up this argument by saying the pieces began to burn 'almost immediately' because the orbit was "so low". 150 miles up? Sounds like typical NASA b.s. to me. The government lies about everything, from who did 911 to who killed JFK. The collapse of Bldg. 7 was a real stretch too. But this has to be the lamest ever..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 02/21/2008

space

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/21/2008

CitizenofMars?

He just pass UrAnus traveling with a speed of stupid on his way out of the Solar System.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 02/21/2008

You must really be a citizen of mars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 02/21/2008

Pro:

A technological achievement

Military achievement

Preventing possible contamination

Preventing secret data and hardware for falling into wrong hands.

Con

May spook other advanced countries to crank up their space defense RD. Russia and China are sure to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 02/21/2008

One other factor to consider, in the targeting precision, is the fact that the large vehicle's state/vector is constantly changing as a result of it's proximity to the upper atmosphere. For an object the size of a bus, drag would be slowing the satellite, even if only by a few tens of fps each orbit. This is just one of the areas of uncertainty in targeting, the constant state/vector change of the target over time. And, every single fps change that occurs, changes the objects orbital altitude, by only meters for the most part, some lowering the orbit on one side, while raising it on the other, depending on a lot of factors. Basically, if you slow the vehicle on one side of the Earth, that raises the orbit on the other, due to the concept of gravity gradient.

In other words, there are chaotic factors that make this achievement quite notable, from a technical term, even if it had a homing beacon. So many parameters, and so little chance for success, that even if this was a setup, it's quite a high five'r for those involved.

That said, I do think this was also part saber rattling, and considering China's response, I'd say the hardliner's goals were achieved. This was an "in your face" action, and as such, is a game of brinkmanship that has serious implications for the future of cooperation with China and Russia, both of whom, have a lot to lose as a result of this "test". It is a curious question to ask...do we really want to piss off the people who are bankrolling our wars? They pull our marker, and we're up that well known tributary with no visible means of locomotion (up shit creek).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/21/2008

I've been studying space science for decades, and the fact that this vehicle was hit at 133 miles up, makes me worry a bit. That is low Earth orbit, but high enough that if you reduce the surface area of a satellite (aka blow it up), you extend it's time on orbit. That is to say, this particular orbit is now populated by not one large piece of space junk that would come down very soon, but by thousands of tiny bits that will take far longer to come down. And the explosion (as shown in the video) scattered the debris over a wide swath of this particular orbit. Just another band of space that will have to be monitored for awhile, to keep vehicles like the shuttle from flying through it on their way to higher orbit. A way of looking at it, and this is just an estimate, is that a BB with say, a relative speed of 30,000mph, is the intertial equivalent of a cannonball fired out of a cannon. That BB would breach the crew compartment of the shuttle and cause a catastrophic decompression, and god knows what other damage to the structure itself and it's systems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/21/2008

Impressive feat, but likely they cheated. With a combined speed of 22,000 mph, or about 33,000 fps the odds of a blind shot like this working is remote at best, and even more remote when considering this was a first. By "cheated" I mean, there had to be a "contingency" package on-board this vehicle, namely a homing beacon. Think of it as a fancy self-destruct package, where the explosives are provided from without, either by a warhead, or by the kinetic energy of the missile involved. The beacon makes it a controlled shoot, where the precise state/vector of the target is updated on a millisecond scale. Even this is impressive though, so I am not trying to just be critical here.

I haven't read what type of missile this was, that can reach an altitude of 133 miles, while maintaining critical parameters for rendezvous at a critical moment...one where if you're off by a tenth of a second in your targetting, you've missed the target by about a kilometer.

I do wish they could be upfront with the reasons though. The story about the hydrazine is laughable, and in my mind, assumes that children are reading the story. This had to have been about keeping sensitive technology out of the hands of whoever might have this piece of hardware come down in their territory. I'd assume it was the optics, but then, the control systems for the optics might have been hardened against radiation, and been contained in structures that might well have survived the plunge through the atmosphere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/21/2008

Georgie wanted to know if the "munitions" would work. He has been wanting to explode somethihg, anything for some time. I suppose this is a stance that we are still mighty..but who knows. I am glad the navy got it right on the first attempt. Good for them. Navy one..gawddamned bottom feeder, nothing. I guess all countries BUT China were told that this was going to happen. Why not China? And guntoter...we never get "upfront" with reasons. That is not the bush/cheney way. And that includes the Pentagon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 02/21/2008

I'm well aware that they will never be upfront about anything, but that doesn't keep me from wishing it were otherwise. DOD is a financial black hole, and if the American people were ever told the truth, the Pentagon would be razed. Does everyone here know that the Pentagon has NEVER, in it's entire history, passed an audit? I don't even think they bother anymore. Just firehose the money in, and don't ask what's done with it. They certainly have an endless appetite for stealing American taxpayers hard earned money...mostly for Cold War era technology that has no place in the world.

But I digress...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 02/21/2008

Way to much skepticism in these post. Can't we all just agree that the mission was as successful as the invasion of Iraq? Now, angry people go take your meds and no more coffee. Time for a group hug cause we all love America, we love the troops and George is a man of faith. Have a nice day and another joint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 02/21/2008

when will our media ask the really tough question? what happened to inter-planet janet? She was our first Galaxy Girl! www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 02/21/2008

Since Clinton GAVE the Chinese mush of our missile technology in the 90's, this put them on notice we are still a decade ahead of them in missile technology. We'll sell these things like hotcakes to our trusted allies. Puts China, Russia, and N. Korea in a precariously jealous position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 02/21/2008
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"Puts China, Russia, and N. Korea in a precariously jealous position." - Ammobob

Put this one on the calendar, because I'm going to partially agree with you. You might be right about China and N. Korea but your wrong about Russia. Russia have both the Tor system and the TOPOL, which is superior to what the west possesses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/21/2008

I seriously doubt this comment, China already had mush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/21/2008

THANK YOU Ammobob. It is amazing and frightening how few democrats & liberals are conscious of what Clinton did regarding handing our missile tech to the Chinese. THANK YOU for reminding us. I hope this FACT sinks in to some of the thick heads who visit here. NO MORE NEO-CONS OR CLINTONS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 02/21/2008

So who you gonna trust, the Chinese, our new found mortal enemies, the Saudis, our great friends and allies, North Korea who we now are dealing with, Venezuela who we trade with and supplies us oil while we demonize their duly elected president? How can we be so good, kind and loveable and have so many nations really not like us at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 02/21/2008

Try Lockheed as the source of the Chinese technology harvest. And while the Clinton admin tried to prosecute them, the GOP Congress manage to help to scuttle that effort. But then again you've never let reality intrude into your pontifications.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 02/21/2008
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On NPR this morning the news reader glibly asked some "expert," whether in the "next war" our enemy might shoot down our satellites like we just did. Thus has NPR fallen to Fox news caliber reporting. What next war? With whom? In any war where the bad guys can blast our satellites out of the sky they will be raining nukes on us at the same time.
Nuclear war is one for which the only preparedness is not to have a war. Notwithstanding the putative risks of an orbiting junk pile landing somewhere populated this is another chapter in the Star Wars spend-a-thon of the 80's. Republicrooks love to run our money through the military-industrial complex. We are now funding "defense" (against whom?) at the level of WWII and spending more than the rest of the world combined. Yet our military is so fragile that it has been shattered by the occupation of a third rate world power (Iraq).
This obscene wastefulness flows from paranoia worthy of the late Howard Hughes. We aren't facing the Soviet Union or the Nazis or any nation state of note. Our only threat comes from a handful of religious fanatics who haven't done anything since 9/11. And not from want of trying. As John Kerry pointed out the appropriate response to terrorism is a combination of diplomacy, espionage and police work not military action.
The ruling class shudders in exaggerated fear that they will get singled out for the next terrorist act. This was Al Qaeda's message in attacking a landmark center of commerce rather than a military target. They have catalyzed our self-destruction. The plutocracy is willing to spend us into oblivion to protect themselves. We don't have much time left to stop this insanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 02/21/2008

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Look, I think we all know the rules by now.

If something positive happens while the "other party" occupies the White House, it's either a "lie", a "conspiracy", or both.

If something negative happens while the "other party" occupies the White House, it's all their fault because it "happened on their watch", regardless of what happened BEFORE their watch they may have played a part.

"My party" is always right and honest.

"The other party" is always wrong and dishonest.

Come on, let's keep up.

Such is the sad state of contemporary American politics.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 02/21/2008

Today I am profoundly proud to be retired Navy and in particular, a band of brothers sailor trained extensively to do exactly this kind of thing, albeit somewhat less advanced (I retired in the 90's).

Take THAT China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 02/21/2008
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Let's see how things fall out. It may be a little early to praise the Pentagon.

My shipmates though did what was asked and in grand form. Fine job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 02/21/2008

Thank you both for your service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/21/2008

well thats kind of pathetic.

btw,i dont blame any country that beefs up its own security against the bullyish US.You dont have much to be proud of seafarer61.You can be proud you lived long enough to see what beautiful and noble things youre beloved military could do to protect America...to bad its never used for that though is it.So Great to be a modern day pirate/viking/conquerer eh!??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 02/21/2008

You piece of garbage. You ungrateful, runny nose snob. What have YOU ever done, for anyone, at anytime, hope4theflowers, except bash the country that gives you the right to print this garbage. You make me sick. Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 02/21/2008

I'm sure the flowers are glad you're on their side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 02/21/2008

What about China? Is China some kind of enemy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/21/2008

They're not an enemy, they're our landlords.
I think sonething else is going on here, it seemed to have been decided awfully fast and done really fast too. It's getting too close to the election. I hope its not a set up of some kind. I really miss the days of when I had some trust in the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/21/2008
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Except those on the Stark

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/21/2008
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I am not sure I believe the missile hit the satellite. Shouldn't there be some evidence to prove it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 02/21/2008
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The evidence would be a bunch of little pieces re-entering the atmosphere instead of one big piece.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 02/21/2008

Anyone know what was in the satellite? Who gat paid for it? We shot down a hollow shell. Nothing like having the Navy help in getting rid of the evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/21/2008
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Contrast this decidedly typical and measured Bush Administration observation concerning the failed spy satellite late last month:

'"Given that 75 percent of the Earth is covered in water and much of the land is uninhabited, the likely percentage of this satellite or any debris falling into a populated area is very small." White House National Security Council Spokesman Gordon Johndroe, Jan. 28, 2008.'

...with this faux-hysterical line of Bush Administration bullshit last week:

'"Specifically, there was enough of a risk for the president to be quite concerned about human life." Deputy National Security Adviser James Jeffrey, Feb. 14, 2008.'

Joe Cirincione, who was a guest yesterday morning on Bill Press' radio show, made the observation that, yes indeed, this whole exercise is more than simply a publicity stunt for The Project for the New American Century and the seemingly immortal Strategic Defense Initiative.

As Paul Carroll of Ploughshares Fund writes:

'With a relatively simple software switch-out (software that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. James Cartwright said took only three weeks to develop), the SM-3 will be able to target a satellite. Cartwright stressed that this is a one-time mission for the Navy"s interceptor, and that the satellite-targeting software is not compatible with the software necessary for the interceptors to target incoming missiles so would not be replicated through the fleet. But the fact of the matter is that the software wasn"t all that hard to develop, and it now exists. And while the SM-3 missiles don"t have the range to reliably target most active satellites, the U.S. Ground-Based Midcourse interceptors in silos at FortGreeley and Vandenberg do. The bottom line is that the attempted intercept only increases concern about missile defense and U.S. plans in space.'

http://ploughshares.org/news.php?id=507

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/21/2008

But! But! I always shoot my ducks while they are sitting! Then I tell my wife that I shot on the wing! Ain't Star Wars Grand???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 02/21/2008
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