More Charges Of "Plagiarism," Even Worse Evidence

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First Posted: 02-20-08 11:27 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not just the Illinois Democrat -- are guilty of the alleged crime.

Late on Tuesday evening, Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign sent out an article written by The Washington Post's Dana Milbank titled "Claims of Rhetoric-Pilfering Pile Up on Obama." The piece, playing off of an earlier report that Obama had taken lines from his friend and surrogate, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, included new evidence of the senator's "borrowing problem."

There was, however, one problem. Many of the lines Milbank described as "objectionable" were not just used by Obama but by Clinton as well. Take, for instance, this passage from Washington Post article:

[Obama] borrowed anew on Tuesday at an outdoor rally here in San Antonio -- this time from his former foe, John Edwards. Criticizing pharmaceutical companies' ads, Obama joked: "You know those ads where people are running around the fields, you know, they're smiling, you don't know what the drug is for?"

Compare that to this staple of the 2004 Edwards stump speech: "I love the ads. Buy their medicine, take it, and the next day you and your spouse will be skipping through the fields.

Not noted was that in May 2007, Clinton used almost identical language as both Edwards and Obama. Here's the clip from her campaign website:

"...A lot of these so-called 'blockbuster drugs' are no more effective, and sometimes less effective, in treating conditions than old standbys that have been around for a long time, and don't have all the advertising of, you know, people running through fields of wildflowers that convince patients that they need the new drug..."

That's not all. Here's another graph from Milbank's article:

Edwards, accepting the party's vice presidential nomination in 2004, said, "Hard work should be valued in this country, so we're going to reward work, not just wealth." Obama, in turn, has been heard to say, "We shouldn't just be respecting wealth in this country, we should be respecting work."

The same language was used by the Clinton campaign to describe a key element of her economic agenda. We need, her website read, "tax fairness that rewards work, not just wealth."

To be sure, Milbank did note rhetorical similarities between Obama and Edwards that Clinton did not parody. For instance, there is Obama's campaign kickoff speech in February 2007: "I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change." That is compared to Edwards's 2003 announcement speech: "I haven't spent most of my life in politics, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."

Moreover, elements of Obama's "borrowing" lend itself to concerns about the senator's overall substance (or, for critics, lack thereof). As David Frum, a speech writer for President Bush, wrote the Huffington Post:

Obama is a candidate all about words - he has zero record of executive leadership, precious little of legislative accomplishment. It's all about the speeches. So if the speeches aren't his own ... what is there to him exactly? The figure in U.S. history he reminds me most of is William Jennings Bryan. What would we think if the Cross of Gold speech had turned out to be "borrowed"?

But, taken as a whole, the evidence seemingly paints a different picture than Obama as a "serial-borrower." Indeed, as other Republican word-smiths note, candidates of all political stripes frequently and liberally take lines from each other.

"When I used to write for Republicans in the late 1990s and up through a few years ago, I wrote language books for them and they all used it," said Frank Luntz, the Republican political strategist and "framing" guru. "And it wasn't what we call plagiarism. It was written for them to use. It was written for them to stay on message... I'm sorry but Hillary Clinton does not deliver her own speeches. People write words for her. Unless you create your own language you have no right to criticize some else, especially if it comes from a friend or ally."

"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not ju...
"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not ju...
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Apparently there are some at Huffpost who have a thing for right wing zealots such as David Frum. That's cool...I guess. Just keep in the U.S. eh, he's not wanted back in Canada.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 02/20/2008

...and it's fine to go ahead and remove the above comment like the last two which were posted about Mr. Frum. We wouldn't want to offend his sensibilities now would we !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 02/20/2008
- ProFromOre I'm a Fan of ProFromOre 8 fans permalink

You two guys are a joke. After I read your bio's, I've now decided that this website is a joke, as well.

It's bad enough that biased hack Milbank wrote the fatuous Wash. Post article, but you two young men should be ashamed of yourselves for doing anything other than condemning Milbank's blatant attempt to boost Clinton's dead campaign.

This article is an example of what our current education system is turning out and it's damn scary.

My God, one of you has a Master's degree from Columbia and and undergrad from what is usually considered a prestigious Ivy League school -- just what did you do while you were in school, follow the George W. Bush Education Leads to Success Plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 02/20/2008

What makes it worse is that the article quotes David Frum, a Canadian right wing-nut who is a political outcast in his own country and so has to ply a trade in yours...an­d he has the unmitigated gall to criticize Obama as lacking substance even though Frum was formerly speech writer for GWB ! - hypocritical idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 02/20/2008

Please Huffpost editorial staff...if you get any more letters from David Frum, return to sender. Apparently, he can no longer get a job in the U.S. cos he sure as hell won't get one up here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 02/20/2008
- degjack I'm a Fan of degjack 8 fans permalink

The plagiarism is nothing...­wait until Hillary drops out and America realizes a black man may become president.

Obama and Michelle have seen NOTHING yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 02/20/2008
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 54 fans permalink

I wonder why no one has been accused of plagiarising any of Bush's speeches?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 02/20/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

To the great people of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island & Vermont,

Please do us all a favor & finally close the door on the Clintons.

You're the Closers. Lets do this thing!

~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 02/20/2008

OK, OK, OK, I'm willing to concede a possible silver lining to all this absurdity. If this were to completely wipe from the political landscape the use of "talking points", I'd be a happy man. Of course, that won't happen and this entire "plagiarism" meme is, in itself, a talking point; i.e., people repeating what other people say is important to say.

OBAMA '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 02/20/2008
- LawProf I'm a Fan of LawProf 2 fans permalink

Plagiarism? Gov. Patrick not only gave his permission, he spoke directly with Obama's speech writers. This shows how desperate the Clintons are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 02/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 493 fans permalink
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And just ends up making the Clinton campaign look bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 02/20/2008

My God enough already...­.Obama bettr figure out away to make sure this back fire on her.....I am so sick of her desperate tatics....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 02/20/2008
- gba I'm a Fan of gba permalink

its not about Patrick's/Axelrod's intellectual property rights, but Obama's reliability or authencity

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 02/21/2008
- buz I'm a Fan of buz permalink

Someone needs to get a life. This isn't a big deal. Why not report on something that has some meaning,

I believe people are smart enough choose a person not base on words only. Maybe they believe that as a person
Sen. Obama has a lot to offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- gba I'm a Fan of gba permalink

As he tells in Patrick's speeches?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 02/21/2008
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Oh My God C'mon!!!!! I gotta call it like I see and this looks like a truckload of B*llsh*t. Pardon my ire.Sheesh this is really getting silly now.......­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 02/20/2008

"Planet in Peril" was a CNN special, and I'm sure someone has said at a rally in Texas "Houston, we have lift off."

Big deal!

Every time Hillary says something like "we need to move America forward to the future" it's a rip-off of every lousy political speech ever made.

Huckabee and Obama have shared "leaders who lift us up instead of tear us down."

Rudy: "Tested. Ready."

Hillary: "Tested. Ready."

First Paul Wellstone, then Howard Dean: "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party"

Leave it alone, Clinton campaign. This strategy blows (to quote Nelson Muntz).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 02/20/2008
- Susan1968 I'm a Fan of Susan1968 13 fans permalink

Now Obama is being accused of plagiarizing Ronald Reagan! Read this:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4315880&page=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 02/20/2008
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 28 fans permalink
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It's evidence to me as to just how convinced the "establishment" is that we are clueless and ever so obedient.

His non-violent civil disobedience (anti-esta­blishment) theme resonates with freshness and charisma of a really bright guy.

Unlike this dog and pony show;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 02/20/2008

Gosh, this is as stupid as it gets. I shouldnt even talk anymore, as I have heard many people say all the words I say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 02/20/2008

That was funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 02/20/2008

Who fucking cares people the man wrote two great books of his own writings get over it and accepted he will be the next President of the USA!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 02/20/2008

I don't accept the idiotic premise. Seriously, how would you have a person say that hard work should be rewarded in this country? Are the words "work" and "rewarded" trademarked or copyrighted by anyone? You morons who are perpetuating this story are not intelligent enough to recognize the difference between an argument and plagiarism. You can't plagiarize an argument, a rationale, reasoning.

How can we not laugh at someone who says that quoting JFK, MLK, etc. is actually plagiarizing Gov. Patrick? Or are you all seriously suggesting that we to label someone a plagiarist because of the chorus "just words"?! Can we start having IQ tests before someone gets to hold a post in the media spectrum because you guys are dumbing down the nation with every carriage return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/20/2008
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 28 fans permalink
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Really? Big deal!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/20/2008
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