More Charges Of "Plagiarism," Even Worse Evidence

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First Posted: 02-20-08 11:27 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not just the Illinois Democrat -- are guilty of the alleged crime.

Late on Tuesday evening, Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign sent out an article written by The Washington Post's Dana Milbank titled "Claims of Rhetoric-Pilfering Pile Up on Obama." The piece, playing off of an earlier report that Obama had taken lines from his friend and surrogate, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, included new evidence of the senator's "borrowing problem."

There was, however, one problem. Many of the lines Milbank described as "objectionable" were not just used by Obama but by Clinton as well. Take, for instance, this passage from Washington Post article:

[Obama] borrowed anew on Tuesday at an outdoor rally here in San Antonio -- this time from his former foe, John Edwards. Criticizing pharmaceutical companies' ads, Obama joked: "You know those ads where people are running around the fields, you know, they're smiling, you don't know what the drug is for?"

Compare that to this staple of the 2004 Edwards stump speech: "I love the ads. Buy their medicine, take it, and the next day you and your spouse will be skipping through the fields.

Not noted was that in May 2007, Clinton used almost identical language as both Edwards and Obama. Here's the clip from her campaign website:

"...A lot of these so-called 'blockbuster drugs' are no more effective, and sometimes less effective, in treating conditions than old standbys that have been around for a long time, and don't have all the advertising of, you know, people running through fields of wildflowers that convince patients that they need the new drug..."

That's not all. Here's another graph from Milbank's article:

Edwards, accepting the party's vice presidential nomination in 2004, said, "Hard work should be valued in this country, so we're going to reward work, not just wealth." Obama, in turn, has been heard to say, "We shouldn't just be respecting wealth in this country, we should be respecting work."

The same language was used by the Clinton campaign to describe a key element of her economic agenda. We need, her website read, "tax fairness that rewards work, not just wealth."

To be sure, Milbank did note rhetorical similarities between Obama and Edwards that Clinton did not parody. For instance, there is Obama's campaign kickoff speech in February 2007: "I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change." That is compared to Edwards's 2003 announcement speech: "I haven't spent most of my life in politics, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."

Moreover, elements of Obama's "borrowing" lend itself to concerns about the senator's overall substance (or, for critics, lack thereof). As David Frum, a speech writer for President Bush, wrote the Huffington Post:

Obama is a candidate all about words - he has zero record of executive leadership, precious little of legislative accomplishment. It's all about the speeches. So if the speeches aren't his own ... what is there to him exactly? The figure in U.S. history he reminds me most of is William Jennings Bryan. What would we think if the Cross of Gold speech had turned out to be "borrowed"?

But, taken as a whole, the evidence seemingly paints a different picture than Obama as a "serial-borrower." Indeed, as other Republican word-smiths note, candidates of all political stripes frequently and liberally take lines from each other.

"When I used to write for Republicans in the late 1990s and up through a few years ago, I wrote language books for them and they all used it," said Frank Luntz, the Republican political strategist and "framing" guru. "And it wasn't what we call plagiarism. It was written for them to use. It was written for them to stay on message... I'm sorry but Hillary Clinton does not deliver her own speeches. People write words for her. Unless you create your own language you have no right to criticize some else, especially if it comes from a friend or ally."

"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not ju...
"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not ju...
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- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

I haven't even bothered to read this one.

Obama is clearly just about like the guys who went around the Wild West selling booze with a medicinal label and calling it the "tonic."

My grandmother, from Kansas, bless her heart....w­as a "tonic" alcoholic. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 02/20/2008
- RusStyles I'm a Fan of RusStyles 22 fans permalink

Like HRC and her minions, keep trivializing Obama. Keep underestim­ating...Ke­ep satirizing his talent. That's why she's losing and will lose the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 02/20/2008
- gcee I'm a Fan of gcee permalink

Fool!!!

You should have read it because is shows just how much of an idiot people like you are for swallowing this line of crap!!!

"Nothing can stand in the way of millions of voices crying for change"

We Want Change!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 02/20/2008
- GingerB I'm a Fan of GingerB 82 fans permalink
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Of course you haven't read it. It portrays Hillary as engaging in the same thing she's accused Obama of doing.

If McCain is elected, it will be YOUR fault. Don't forget it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 02/20/2008

I love how people ASSUME that he does not have permission to borrow these phrases. I also love how these same idiots also overlook that Hillary has also done it. But you know seriously why should we even bother worrying about this poor woman. Hopefully when she loses in a couple of weeks she will get rid of Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 02/20/2008

Obama Devall - Milli Vanilli

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 02/20/2008

Here is another circumstance of plagiarism by Obama.

http://bigheaddc.com/2008/02/19/another-case-of-obama-plagiarism/

"On Tuesday afternoon, a rival campaign began circulating another pair of videos Obama echoing Patrick, who at the time was running for Massachusetts governor.

This time, Obama is reading from notes or a text. In the instance that drew a charge of plagiarism from Clinton’s campaign earlier this week, the senator was apparently ad-libbing — the remark did not appear in the text released by his campaign."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 02/20/2008
- cleveyucks I'm a Fan of cleveyucks 7 fans permalink
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As a stand up comic, we run into this all the time. Some things are just so obvious that many comics will independantly come up with the same premise. The drug commercial is one of them. It's hack and it's fair game for everybody.

This is stupid and pathetic. The Clinton's should be above this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 02/20/2008
- dijo I'm a Fan of dijo 4 fans permalink

Can you say d-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-e?
Hil is trying to throw as much poo as she can as she swirls around the bowl. She will be going down soon. No one will be able to rescue her from the sewer she falls into...the­y won't be able to tell which turd to scoop out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 02/20/2008

THANK YOU for getting some of the TRUTH out there - Hillary needs to be placed on the carpet for this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/20/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

I think Obama got confused between the pharmaceutical companies offering pills that make couples frolick through the meadows in bliss with his speeches that make brainwashed Democrats frolick to the sound of his voice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/20/2008

Patrick in June 2006, at the Massachusetts Democratic party convention: "I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspiration­s."
Obama one year later, as quoted in USA Today: "I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspiration­s."

Patrick In 2006: "We Can Disagree With Each Other Without Being Disagreeab­le." "By showing that we can disagree with each other without being disagreeab­le." (Gov. Deval Patrick, Remarks On Election Night At Hynes Convention Center, Boston, MA, 11/6/06)
� Obama In 2008: "We Can Disagree With Each Other Without Being Disagreeab­le." (Anna Webb and Brian Murphy, "Obama Wows, Inspires Crowd At Packed Arena: 'And They Told Me There Were No Democrats In Idaho,'" The Idaho Statesman, 2/3/08)

The Boston Globe's Scott Helman: Obama "Borrowing Themes, Messages, And Even Specific Lines" From Patrick. "In the midst of his improbable run for office, Obama and his advisers have evidently studied Patrick's up-from-nowhere victory in Massachusetts and are borrowing themes, messages, and even specific lines for the presidential campaign." (Scott Helman, "Patrick, Obama Campaigns Share Language Of 'Hope,'" The Boston Globe, 4/16/07)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/20/2008
- semorg I'm a Fan of semorg 6 fans permalink

It's funny to quote David Frum. When he wrote the axis of evil phrase, he was NOT even a US Citizen. Therefore, why should he care about our country. And of course we have seen the result, costing of American life and political failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 02/20/2008
- Tankan I'm a Fan of Tankan 3 fans permalink

Hillary honey, it's lucky I'm not easily depressed!

Boring! Boring! Boring!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 02/20/2008

Remember the boy that cried wolf?
The Hillary campaign is just like that boy. Noone is listening anymore. It is over and I am sad to see her stoop to such ridiculous levels to prove NOTHING. Oh well...sig­h, as donna summers said "enough is enough is enough"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 02/20/2008
- VcKrc I'm a Fan of VcKrc 4 fans permalink

About that "running around the fieds" example, I think lots of people use that example when talking about drug commercials. They always are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 02/20/2008
- snowcat I'm a Fan of snowcat 23 fans permalink

This is sickeniong!!! Get off of it already
!!! We have brains for chrissakes!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/20/2008
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BUPKIS

Yiddish: (large) beans, from the Yiddish word kozebupkes meaning goat droppings

Noun: absolutely nothing; nothing of value, significance, or substance:

"We searched for hours and found bupkis."

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bupkis#Related_terms

This a really good sign for Obama. If Hillary can't find anything to attack Obama, then nobody...

Well, it doesn't mean that the Republicans can't manufacture something convincing, but, I think David Brooks said it best in his last opinion at the New York Times:

"At least this candidate seems likely to want to head in the right direction. Obama’s hype comes from exaggerating his powers and his virtues, not faking them."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/opinion/19brooks.html

Basically, it doesn't matter at this point what detractors say about Obama,

NOBODY CARES.

This whole thing is a movement for CHANGE. Those who are already supporting him know the drill with attack politics, it doesn't matter what you say.

And when the Republicans have nothing (sane) to offer voters, even the HOPE of a brighter future is enough to make their candidate's past irrelevant.

Actually a better phrase for the Republicans to start getting used to is:

"Bupkis mit Kuduchas", translating roughly to 'Shivering Shit Balls" - kudcuhas referring to the condition of...

GENERALIZED SHAKING PALSEY.

GObama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

I have no problem with politicians pilfering lines with speeches, and Obama is a serial pilferer. He has stolen from RFK, Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton, and his buddy Duval.

The thing about all this pilfering is that speeches are the only thing that Obama has to offer. He is an empty suit with no substance. He can only get his cult followers to swoon with propaganda and rhetoric.

The fact that he steals other people's propaganda to influence the flock is disturbing.

Because if you are running to be Cult Leader in Chief, you should at least have an original message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

You're not smart. Or funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 02/20/2008

maybe not, but he is right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 02/20/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 45 fans permalink
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This is a non-starter. The speech was a compilation of other speeches probably written by a speechwriter in the first place. Who's being plagiarized? Who cares who's being plagiarized?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/20/2008
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