More Charges Of "Plagiarism," Even Worse Evidence

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First Posted: 02-20-08 11:27 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not just the Illinois Democrat -- are guilty of the alleged crime.

Late on Tuesday evening, Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign sent out an article written by The Washington Post's Dana Milbank titled "Claims of Rhetoric-Pilfering Pile Up on Obama." The piece, playing off of an earlier report that Obama had taken lines from his friend and surrogate, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, included new evidence of the senator's "borrowing problem."

There was, however, one problem. Many of the lines Milbank described as "objectionable" were not just used by Obama but by Clinton as well. Take, for instance, this passage from Washington Post article:

[Obama] borrowed anew on Tuesday at an outdoor rally here in San Antonio -- this time from his former foe, John Edwards. Criticizing pharmaceutical companies' ads, Obama joked: "You know those ads where people are running around the fields, you know, they're smiling, you don't know what the drug is for?"

Compare that to this staple of the 2004 Edwards stump speech: "I love the ads. Buy their medicine, take it, and the next day you and your spouse will be skipping through the fields.

Not noted was that in May 2007, Clinton used almost identical language as both Edwards and Obama. Here's the clip from her campaign website:

"...A lot of these so-called 'blockbuster drugs' are no more effective, and sometimes less effective, in treating conditions than old standbys that have been around for a long time, and don't have all the advertising of, you know, people running through fields of wildflowers that convince patients that they need the new drug..."

That's not all. Here's another graph from Milbank's article:

Edwards, accepting the party's vice presidential nomination in 2004, said, "Hard work should be valued in this country, so we're going to reward work, not just wealth." Obama, in turn, has been heard to say, "We shouldn't just be respecting wealth in this country, we should be respecting work."

The same language was used by the Clinton campaign to describe a key element of her economic agenda. We need, her website read, "tax fairness that rewards work, not just wealth."

To be sure, Milbank did note rhetorical similarities between Obama and Edwards that Clinton did not parody. For instance, there is Obama's campaign kickoff speech in February 2007: "I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change." That is compared to Edwards's 2003 announcement speech: "I haven't spent most of my life in politics, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington."

Moreover, elements of Obama's "borrowing" lend itself to concerns about the senator's overall substance (or, for critics, lack thereof). As David Frum, a speech writer for President Bush, wrote the Huffington Post:

Obama is a candidate all about words - he has zero record of executive leadership, precious little of legislative accomplishment. It's all about the speeches. So if the speeches aren't his own ... what is there to him exactly? The figure in U.S. history he reminds me most of is William Jennings Bryan. What would we think if the Cross of Gold speech had turned out to be "borrowed"?

But, taken as a whole, the evidence seemingly paints a different picture than Obama as a "serial-borrower." Indeed, as other Republican word-smiths note, candidates of all political stripes frequently and liberally take lines from each other.

"When I used to write for Republicans in the late 1990s and up through a few years ago, I wrote language books for them and they all used it," said Frank Luntz, the Republican political strategist and "framing" guru. "And it wasn't what we call plagiarism. It was written for them to use. It was written for them to stay on message... I'm sorry but Hillary Clinton does not deliver her own speeches. People write words for her. Unless you create your own language you have no right to criticize some else, especially if it comes from a friend or ally."

"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not ju...
"Plagiarism-gate," or whatever moniker is given to revelations that Sen. Barack Obama borrowed other politician's words, continued on Wednesday, despite evidence that suggests all candidates -- not ju...
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- Svenson I'm a Fan of Svenson 3 fans permalink

Try reading this gem

http://www.newsweek.com/id/113672

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 02/20/2008
- raptor I'm a Fan of raptor 7 fans permalink

Too bad Richardson didn't choose "Innovation" as his theme. He's certainly been capable of that in New Mexico,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 02/20/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

Richardson is a Clinton hack

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 02/20/2008

I think we have alot more pressing problems than wondering where the candidates get their words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 02/20/2008
- Svenson I'm a Fan of Svenson 3 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/20/2008
- KARE I'm a Fan of KARE permalink

thats right we will be holding them accountable as president, so start the accountability now. What has Obama clearly done, not just supported, what has he done. His own bills, in his own words, that were passed into law. Only two! If you think naming a post office and pushing for democracy in the Republic of Congo make him the best choice then go ahead vote for the guy. Then I will hold you all accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 02/20/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

Hold Bill Clinton responsible for his PREDATORY and IRRESPONSIBLE behaviour towards women and Hillary Clinton responsible for TRASHING HIS VICTIMS. ALSO ask them to return the furniture they STOLE from the White House - it belongs to the people, not to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 02/20/2008
- TomSutpen I'm a Fan of TomSutpen 3 fans permalink

Give it a rest. It didn't work in Wisconsin; it's not gonna work thereafter.

Nice try.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/20/2008
- KARE I'm a Fan of KARE permalink

Americans are waking up to the Obama lovefest. We need a lot more than to LIKE our president. I am not sure if Hillary can pull it out, that remains to be seen. But I appreciate the "vetting" of Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 02/20/2008
- ginnypoo I'm a Fan of ginnypoo 7 fans permalink

So you follow a candidate that plays the 'racist card' during a campaign and was caught red-handed on TV during a debate, in which he appologized and admitted he had done it. You support that? Understand he played the racist card in SC during the week of MLK celebrations....he used MLK and the black voters as tools to win...it was sickening. Is the new change thing where you accuse rivals of racism? Or is it where you have standard solutions but call them change? The change is just that you got everyone behind a word that could literally mean anything? And how do you know this 'change' is good change not bad change? He won't tell what change means, so how do you know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 02/20/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

Then why is Hillary parroting him on the change issue? Hillary plagiarized Obama's use of the word change; she was repeating "experience" before that and now is spouting an ill-conceived bastardization of the two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 02/20/2008

I have been feeling bad for Hillary, this has to suck considering all the crap that she has put up with over the years -- but it is crazy talk like this that makes those feelings dissolve completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 02/20/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

What exactly has Hillary put up with that is so unique? An adulterous husband, whom she married knowing he was cheating? That is a Faustian bargain right there and evidence of profound poor judgment. Didn't she ever consider how it would affect Chelsea?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 02/20/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

I agree completely. Billary Clinton and his DLC ilk are losing the soul of the Dems they hijacked years ago. Look at Zig Zag Miller and Joe Lie berman, for when founding DLC DINO's get caught by REAL DEMS they go to the GOP - their real home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/21/2008
- Nofoolhere I'm a Fan of Nofoolhere 12 fans permalink
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FOR GOD'S SAKE GET OFF IT!! I knew that at the first meager opportunity to attack Obama (first Edwards,) all the corporatist pundit stooges would come crawling out from under their rocks. But at least find a REAL issue. The frantic MSM board rooms must be burning midnight oil, wringing their hands. GOOD!!! May those corporatist plotters perish from terminal insomnia. The public is no longer asleep to these Rovian type slime tactics. But I don’t expect any real issues to emerge from Obama’s detractors, because as Obama has documented on his web site, his detailed plans to deal with the major issues are superlative. So instead of dipping into the ever more shallow slime bucket, come up with a real issue to challenge him.. I DARE YOU!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/20/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

GO OBAMA GO OBAMA SAVE YOUR PARTY AND YOUR NATION

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/21/2008

there is a HUGE difference between a candidate who uses the words of others to express firmly held convictions and a candidate whose use of words is motivated by an ego-driven desire TO WIN

the difference between obama and clinton is very, very clear in this regard...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 02/20/2008

Wow...I can't believe she's still trying to make this foolishness stick. I want to be able to feel proud of her for being a formidable candidate. Instead, it's just getting really embarrassing for her to keep this up. Couple this with her lack of grace last night and it's just all tacky beyond belief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 02/20/2008
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This is like watching a wounded animal...lashing out, despite the inevitable outcome.

She plagerized her husband, does that count? This is a NON-ISSUE..she's hoping to derail Obama just like Biden was derailed...the sling enough crap and something is bound to stick campaign is not dignified or smart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 02/20/2008
- Svenson I'm a Fan of Svenson 3 fans permalink

Try reading this gem

http://www.newsweek.com/id/113672

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/20/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

Chris Matthews was right. HRC would be nothing without her husband's serial predatory behavior with young girls and women

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 02/20/2008

And Michelle Obama is and will always be nothing without Barack ... oh wait, but she will still be a huge Nation of Islam supporter and a racist!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/20/2008
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This has gotten beyond ridiculous.

LOOK...gay marriage! LOOK...guns! LOOK...abortion!

This is just a variation on a theme. Nice going Dems. Gotta love those wedge issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/20/2008
- NC4Obama I'm a Fan of NC4Obama 16 fans permalink

So I guess Clinton has decided to not leave gracefully but to get defeated in a disgrace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 02/20/2008

The trouble with the pharma ads as an example is that those thoughts being expressed (people running in field feeling good after taking the pills) are thoughts that lots and lots of people have and many many people have joked about and commented on. These expressed thoughts are just not unique enough to be considered plagiarism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 02/20/2008

The plagiarism dog won't hunt, no matter how many republicans and Clinton surrogates keep regurgitating it.

Obama's candidacy is not all about speeches. It's about a plan to change Washington and change America. The power of Obama's oratory is just part of what qualifies him to lead this nation. He also has more legislative achievements than Clinton and his positions are more in line with the American people than McCain.

As far as executive leadership, Obama has run a masterful campaign, one that political insiders say is among the best they've ever seen. Meanwhile, Hillary's campaign has faltered, despite beginning with every conceivable institutional advantage, and McCain has failed to galvanize a conservative base of support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/20/2008

In 2003, Obama Voted To Tax Natural Gas Purchases. (S.B. 1733: Concurrence In House Amendment #4, Passed 31-27-00, 5/31/03, Obama Voted Yea)
In 2000, Obama Voted Against Making Permanent The Repeal Of Illinois' 5 Percent Sales Tax On Gasoline. "[Obama] voted 'No' on making permanent the repeal of the state's 5 percent sales tax on gasoline." ("Obama's Key Votes," Belleville [IL] News-Democrat, 9/13/04; S.B. 1867: Illinois Senate Floor Third Reading, 46-12-0, 11/15/00, Obama Voted Nay)
In 1997, Obama Voted To Enact A Tax On Oil And Gas Production. (H.B. 998: Senate Third Floor Reading, Passed 54-2-0, 5/16/97, Obama Voted Yea)
In 1997, Obama Voted To "Impose A Tax On The Privilege Of Using Electricity." (H.B. 362: Senate Third Floor Reading, Passed 57-2-0, 10/30/97, Obama Voted Yea)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 02/20/2008
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Yeah, yeah, and he doesn't wear a flag on his lapel, he doesn't place his hand over his heart for the star spangled banner, he's a racist muslim, etc....republican trash-talking points ad nauseum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/20/2008
- kramskoi I'm a Fan of kramskoi 7 fans permalink

and despite all this he has won 10 of the last 10 contests...give it a rest my friend

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 02/20/2008
- LeeScho I'm a Fan of LeeScho 7 fans permalink

How many American soldiers and innocent civilians died as a result of those many votes?

How many American soldiers and innocent civilians have died as a result of Hillary's one vote to authorize war with Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 02/20/2008
- on2them I'm a Fan of on2them 23 fans permalink
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that's right and for Hillary's vote, she'll never get one of mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 02/20/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

This data proves he's serious about fixing global warming, the dependence on oil, and will not favour corporations. Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 02/20/2008

Check out “Ready on Day One?” http://savagepolitics.com and "Barack Obama's Apostasy" http://savagepolitics.com/?p=101.

Brilliant analysis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 02/20/2008
- Bagger I'm a Fan of Bagger 17 fans permalink
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Read it and found it to be nothing but fear mongering and smears. Why does his background scare you? Obama is an American with a unique background. That's what has made his candidacy more appealing. He's a born again Christian. Get over it you scared little troll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/20/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 53 fans permalink
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Seriously - Michael Savage! Are you anti-Obama; pro-Clinton; or pro-McCain or one of the loose stool Republicans around Rush Limbaugh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 02/20/2008
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