Clinton: Obama 'Change You Can Xerox'

AP:

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama squared off in Austin, TX for their 19th debate of the primary season. Keep checking back for updates below, and check here for full HuffPost coverage of the Texas primary.

Clinton Booed After Hitting Obama On "Plagiarism": After an hour of somber, substantive debating between Obama and Clinton, the issue of plagiarism "brought the two candidates out of their slumber."

Asked about his lifting of lines from Gov. Deval Patrick (Mass.), Obama sought to dismiss the charges of plagiarism as the sort of politics the American public is sick of. "The notion I had plagiarized from someone who is one of my national co-chairs who gave me the line and suggested I use it I think is silly," Obama said. "This is where we get into silly season in politics and people start getting discouraged about it."

Clinton, however, clearly believes this is a political weak spot for Obama and went after it -- hard. "If your candidacy is going to be about words, they should be your own words," said Clinton. "Lifting whole passages is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox."

That line, obviously prepared in advance of tonight's debate, fell flat. The crowd went silent and then a smattering of boos rang out. Obama shook his head and muttered to himself.

Read the whole story: AP

Comments

[evahartselftlanguages]

04:33 PM on 02/24/2008

TO: Senator Hillary Clinton February 24, 2008 "Change You Can Xerox"

Words do have influence. A speaker's words may influence you more than they should because you were inclined beforehand to give him favorable consideration.

Moreover, his reputation,appearance, achievements or previous speeches may have impressed you. On the other hand, you may underestimate what a speaker says because you were prejudiced against him even before he started to speak.

A critical listener is aware of such biased feelings. He may not be able to rid himself of them entirely, but he takes them into consideration when evaluating what he hears.

Be aware of your own feelings that may predispose you to accept or reject a speaker's arguments. Some people listen just to refute arguments with which they disagree. Others listen to find additional arguments in favor of opinions they already hold. Such listeners are neither open-minded nor critical.

The point is that words can influence people's thinking and can affect their judgment of the person speaking them. Words can make an impression on a person for good or evil.

In a Democracy everyone has the right to express his opinions whether they are right or wrong, true or false. Freedom of speech is necessary and desirable, but it involves certain responsibilities. As speakers, we have the responsbility of saying only what we know or believe TO BE TRUE. As listeners, we have the responsiblity of weighing what someone says and judging its worth. From article of Critical Listening in book English Grammar and Composition by John E. Warriner,'48,'58 who taught in high schools as Garden City,NY and colleges for 27 years and also reader for College Entrance Examination Board and Francis Griffith, Columbia University and taught at Richfield High School in New York.

It is true we knew of the famous words by the people that Senator Barack Obama quoted. However the real problem is that he made it look like he had the clever and smart answer by the words he used to a charge made to him by Senator Hillary Clinton.

Eva Hart Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109 Rec job Sec of Def 64

[Silpat]

07:05 PM on 02/22/2008

Maybe if Hillary had Xeroxed a few uplifting speeches and Obama's fundraising strategy, she wouldn't be in the predicament that she's in today.


LOL

[useyourbrain]

08:56 PM on 02/22/2008

according to people at the event, there was a smattering of boos -- five people at most.

It was a funny line and considering that Obamaman has a young white guy whose elder brother is a top exec at Fox News, makes one wonder about the Rove plan to get BO nominated so he can crush him.

[Pleidian]

07:17 AM on 02/23/2008

Still...it was a pretty weak line, clearly thought up by some "clever" campaign person.

Why isn't Karl Rove under heavy investigation? He would be, anywhere but in the Bush/Cheney "America".

[ACunningham]

11:30 AM on 02/23/2008

Dear me! This is a such a stretch "Obamaman has a young white guy whose elder brother is a top exec at Fox News."

By this logic (?) Obama is also a Distant cousin of Dick Cheney. ...And???

[dr4Will]

06:41 PM on 02/22/2008

the media's love doll is pathetic scum-send him back to his chicago corrupt friends!!! and his big mouth ungrateful wide

[Cunningham]

08:00 PM on 02/22/2008

dr4Will: "why don't you bottom feeder Clinton haters shove it--only on Huff Post do you get to spewer your hate--low lifes forever together!!!"

dr4Will: "the media's love doll is pathetic scum-send him back to his chicago corrupt friends!!! and his big mouth ungrateful wide"



We can clearly see who the hater is here, dr4Will.

[naturesway]

09:04 PM on 02/22/2008

whoa, that nutcase didn't say anything about Clinton. Jumping to conclusions..............as usual.

[ACunningham]

11:31 AM on 02/23/2008

From one Cunningham to another: Roger That!!!

[evahartselftlanguages]

05:15 PM on 02/22/2008

TO: Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama February 22, 2008

From Blogessa Eva Hart

What Change? No One Made Any Changes After 2006 Election Vote To Put In Democrats To Make Change.

Why didn't Senator Barack Obama say he got permission from Gov. Duval Patrick to use his words around 4 or 5 days ago when asked about it. He is lying now about all this. Words can reveal if a person is smart or cool, or kind or cruel. Economically Senator Barack Obama tell the people to live on only $50.00 a month like the poor you make live like this. If $50.00 a month is good for the poor why is everyone griping about money problems now. Just live on $50.00 a month. Actually one cannot find a job on only $50.00 a month nor have decent living conditions.


I say BOO to some of the Texans. You do not want to Xerox the Texans for honesty and truth and decency is the debate here. You do not want to copy the Texans or others. There is not Welfare in Texas. Richard Jenkins wrote in my Report around 97 that Texas has no Welfare for single men and women. This means no one is upholding Human Rights and Religious Freedom and no decency for Americans to move elsewhere for jobs and decent living conditions. Florida has no Welfare and shelters 3 weeks as Albert Sanchez sent me letter of this in Feb 97 and also Diane Copeland. And still the same! I quit evil,corrupt jobs and discovered these horribly cruel conditions. So disgusting! Wisconsin has no Welfare either KGO radio news. Wisconsin's vote should be annulled too for it does not support American Democracy of Human Rights and Religious Rights as we know it. Other cities no Welfare. Be honest and check out your politicians and neighborhoods before voting. The American people should have the Freedom and Human Rights to choose their own way of life and to control their own destiny.

We are talking about honesty and truth here. We are talking about kind,decent people who help compassionately and Democratically others. We are talking about making a good or bad impression on people or presenting a truthful image or not to the people.


Furthermore especially when War is an important issue in Presidential Campaign 2008 to solve in saving lives here in America and abroad. We need to protect our Military too.



Words have connotations too as causing people to remember certain particular emotions or cultural values and words have more than inspirational value. I might think hearing words that Senator Barack Obama had gotten a charge from Senator Hillary Clinton that we can't use just words, but must have actions, then Senator Barack Obama answered by saying words do have significance. Upon hearing words I might think wow that answer was cool and smart or I might think how wonderful a thinker he is.

Apparently Senator Barack Obama isn't such a good orator afterall.

Speaking of Change did Senator Barack Obama make any change when the Democrats were voted in, in 2006 when mantra then in the election was for change. Did he make any changes these last few years? I think not.


Sirach 4,"Rob not a poor man of his livelihood. Catholic canonized verse. Jesus cared for the poor too.



Eva Hart Christian In Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109

[evahartselftlanguages]

06:11 PM on 02/22/2008

TO: Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama Change You Can Xerox at Austin,Texas Debate on February 21, 2008


As I stated above I think this 2008 election is a fraud. As I blogged elsewhere Congress will count the Electoral College Delegates' votes in the end anyways on January 6, 2009 for Presidential election 2008.

People who do not uphold Human Rights and Religious Rights so people can move elsewhere in the United States for jobs and Religious Freedom should not vote at all. Voter apathy undermines Democracy. We are talking about Democracy here in this Presidential election of 2008 and people who do not provide a way for others to have Rights by providing housing and decent living conditions are not upholding Democratic Human Rights. A government that does not uphold Human Rights should be removed. From American Heritage Foundation. (Magazing of History)

Elliot Liebow, Jewish Anthropologist, writes in his '93 book,"Closing down shelters in Wash DC and in cities around the country is criminal,self-defeating, and dumb. Welfare gives meager money. Capitalism is good to many, but has treated the poor badly and since it's a Government of All Americans they should take a more active role and help the poor."

Sfc Mayor Gavin Newsom stated as best I can remember he wants to experiment with the poor. The poor have the same Right to Dignity as anyone else. They should not be used for experiments as Mayor Gavin Newsom said on TV about 6 months ago. This would be awful and horrible. The poor are human beings with feelings,moods, and pain like anyone else. Eva Hart Christian Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109

[evahartselftlanguages]

08:04 PM on 02/22/2008

TO: Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama February 22, 2008 Austin,Texas Debate of 2008

From: Blogessa Eva Hart.

Roger Williams gave us our first full Religious Freedom in Providence, Rhode Island. He was known as a brilliant,eloquent Minister. He converted many Indians to Christianity. He conducted a campaign to get coal for freezing poor in London,England around 1600's.

Why can't our leaders conduct a campaign too to help the job seeker and the poor. Gov. Schwarzenegger after 5 years stupidly now says he has to cut money for sick children,sick adults,sick poor. This chopper has been doing this for 5 years. Stop it! What is America about, but to care and be kind and decent to all the less fortunate and poor. The Bible states people will suffer misfortunes. Ecclesiates Ch 6 I believe. Why can't our leaders do fund raising to help people because they do it for themselves for money. They are full of nonsense!

The following shows that God and Jesus will Judge everyone in the end in the Day of Judgment:

"I may not omit here a special work of God's providence. There was a proud and very profane young man, one of the seamen, of a lusty,able body, which made him the more haughty. He would always be condemning the poor people in their sickness, and cursing them daily with grievous execrations, and did not let to tell them that he hoped to help to cast half of them overboard before they came to their journey's end, and to make merry with what they had. But it pleased God before they came half seas over, to smite this young man with a grievous disease, of which he died in a desperate manner, and so was himself the first who was thrown overboard. Thus his curses light on his own head; and it was an astonishment to all his fellows, for they noted it to be the just hand of God upon him." Roger Williams Fight for Religious Freedom by Clifford Smyth,'31 From Chronicle records of History by Gov. Bradford in early colonial days of how culprit has the characteristic note of uncompromising Puritan severity.

Eva Hart Christian In Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109

[evahartselftlanguages]

04:21 PM on 02/23/2008

TO: Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama Change you can Xerox at Austin,Texas Debate on February 21, 2008.

I want to add here that Michael Schuchat is legal counsel to Mr. Elliot Liebow's book and legal counsel to American Anthropological Asso.,Wash DC. Mr. Elliot Liebow, Jewish Anthropologist is a socio-economist at Institute of Mental Health,Wash DC. He did his study of homeless women around 1984-85 and copyrighted 1993. Mr. Liebow also wrote Tally's Corner a study of Black-African homeless men in 1960's. Ronald Cole,Harvard College, praises Mr. Liebow's book and calls Mr. Liebow a brilliant,eloquent, and sensitive man. Mr. Liebow had terminal cancer and found drugs in Quebec, Canada that he says prolonged his life for years. This is wonderful of course. Eva Hart Christian In Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109 Rec job Sec of Defense 64

[agedefying]

03:28 PM on 02/22/2008

The "crowd" did not "boo". There was an overreaction from a handful of scandalized Obama supporters, mixed with applause from the other side. Listen for yourself:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8645283654290922087&q=Change+You+Can+Xerox&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

The Obama camp: all meme all the time.

[justsaynotofascism]

03:37 PM on 02/22/2008

Hypocrite Hillary was booed. So what if it wasn't the whole crowd? Of course, it wouldn't have been the whole crowd as there were Hillary cult members there, too.


Grasping at Straws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEDkqVvpkk

Hillary Channels Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

Change You Can Xerox - Hillary Clintons Plagiarism Addiction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOjttmqIrc

Just Solutions. Just Not Hers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrzg8mJxu94

Plagiarism, Hillary Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmoZIi7NLwc&NR=1

[agedefying]

04:03 PM on 02/22/2008

Obamatons only hear what they're programmed to hear.

[ParadiseDiva]

04:14 PM on 02/22/2008

It's overlooked that she was applauded for calling him out on using your own words if your candidacy is about words.

[dragonfly142]

03:25 PM on 02/22/2008

Technicall she is right and everyone else is wrong if they don't think what Obama did was plagiarism, as it was. Technically if you quote someone even witth their permission, but don't mention that the words you spoke belonged to them, well that is plagiarism. and people like Joe Biden lost bids to become president on that very same thing..the only difference was he didn't mislead people from the beginning that they were his words...Joe gave credit each time but one...Obama ..gave the speeech like it was the hopes and dreams out of his heart.....and it was not....it was someone elses speech. Lets get real people...if you went to college you know what plagiarism is...and you know how serious it is.

[justsaynotofascism]

03:28 PM on 02/22/2008

Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite... accusing someone else of the same thing she engages in.


Grasping at Straws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEDkqVvpkk

Hillary Channels Bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

Change You Can Xerox - Hillary Clintons Plagiarism Addiction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOjttmqIrc

Just Solutions. Just Not Hers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrzg8mJxu94

Plagiarism, Hillary Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmoZIi7NLwc&NR=1

[msmaggie]

03:41 PM on 02/22/2008

Look at it this way, either way we get a President who people may suspect lifted clever wording from someone else.

Seen anyone rushing to claim W has plagiarized them?? Nor are you likely to...LOL So a big improvement in national dialogue either way.

[justsaynotofascism]

03:15 PM on 02/22/2008

PLEASE, READ:

Police concerned about order to stop screening

DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on.

---continued at:
http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas_news/story/486413.html

[msmaggie]

03:36 PM on 02/22/2008

How can this be? Any arena or stadium in the country demands security checking--the Secret Service needs to take into account that the security of others is also to be taken into account.

I suspect, and hope, heads will roll on this one.

[justsaynotofascism]

03:45 PM on 02/22/2008

I suspect the MSM will ignore this story.

The Secret Service also pulled the detail off of JKF's car back in Dallas in 1963. What a coincidence.

[LeftLeaner]

04:16 PM on 02/22/2008

This HAS TO be covered by the MSM.

I hope Keith Olbermann brings this up on his show.

Obama should NOT put his life in jeorpardy AGAIN.

He should REFUSE to expose himself to such high risk EVER again!!!

I am outraged, and I'm NOT an OBAMA Fan.

[SteveCox]

03:09 PM on 02/22/2008

You all may want to read about the church Obama belongs to. Here is the link.

You so know more about your "movement"

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

I know Richsgirl is a member, too. But here is as a sample check it out for yourselves though.

Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:


Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

[richardsgirl]

04:28 PM on 02/22/2008

Your posts regarding Trinity United Church of Christ no longer dignify a response. It's obvious that you're not interested in truth of facts, but are only interested in finding a way - any way, no matter how obnoxious - to discredit Senator Obama. Maybe you will finally find something to satisfy your quest, but I can assure you that it will not be Trinity United Church of Christ.

[balanga]

02:50 PM on 02/22/2008

Clintons xerox comment...'crowd boos'...tell the truth, 'Obama supporters boo'! Is this supposed to be news?...This guys obsessive cult like supporters will do anything!..If Obama farts, they will all give him a round of applause!...he IS the new messiah!...he IS going to change the world!....Dream On!!

[in4success]

02:55 PM on 02/22/2008

really - - check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOjttmqIrc

[naturesway]

02:18 PM on 02/22/2008

breaking news. Rezko arrested this morning.........(((((()))))))))))
...http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2008/01/political-fixer.html

[richardsgirl]

02:43 PM on 02/22/2008

BREAKING NEWS: Another super delegate has just announced his support for Senator Obama!

[naturesway]

02:56 PM on 02/22/2008

who?

[LeftLeaner]

03:05 PM on 02/22/2008

That's NOT breaking news.

Everyone piles onto the winner, and it's sad that it wasn't decided fairly.

Hillary Clinton was crucified and dehumanized by the MSM from Day 1, while their Wunderkind, Barck Obama, was lavished with praise every step of the way.

As the MSM is controlled by a bunch of misogynistic men, they couldn't see a WOMAN in charge of this country even if she was the most qualified candidate.

JOHN EDWARDS, my candidate got the shaft early on because he was AGAINST everything they stood for, so they pretended he didn't exist, and it worked.

With the Media manipulation of these candidates, they have succeeded in getting their candidate in. I hope it is for the betterment of the country, not just to keep an exciting storyline going.

[venicesurfer]

02:45 PM on 02/22/2008

I CAN ALREADY SEE THE HEADLINE NOW ON HERE...

"CORRUPT REZKO PHOTED WITH CLINTON ARRESTED THIS MORNING"

[venicesurfer]

01:54 PM on 02/22/2008

she did get a standing ovation in the end even after a couple of obama supporters booed her. but of course that was all fake im sure. they were all plants.

[justsaynotofascism]

03:33 PM on 02/22/2008

venicesurfer:
"she did get a standing ovation in the end even after a couple of obama supporters booed her. but of course that was all fake im sure. they were all plants."

----

The audience stood and applauded both candidates, it was the end of the debate. And there were more than a couple of people who booed her line. But of course, you'll keep deluding yourself.

[ACunningham]

11:35 AM on 02/23/2008

The Audience stood and applauded BOTH Candidates!!!

[shaggles]

01:53 PM on 02/22/2008

I actually thought the xerox line was funny even though I think it's a stretch to call it plagarism.

[phreso]

01:58 PM on 02/22/2008

Using Xerox in a comment is a copyright infringement! Get it right! Lol

[msmaggie]

02:39 PM on 02/22/2008

Wrong on two counts--it's not a copyright, it's a trademark; secondarily, it's entered the lexicon as a synonym for photocopying--look it up in your dictionary, small x of course.

[in4success]

01:47 PM on 02/22/2008

for all the idiots (you know who you are) who thought hillary was preparing to step aside:

http://www.texasmonthly.com/blogs/polldancing/2008/02/hillary-seat-michigan-florida-delegates.php

[in4success]

01:51 PM on 02/22/2008

hate to rub it in but -- let me see... that's me around 1000 and you... um... what that i'm looking for ... um: ZERO!

[phreso]

02:00 PM on 02/22/2008

Why then. when the decision was originally made by the DNC, did she not speak up. Did the voters mean any less to her then?

[in4success]

02:58 PM on 02/22/2008

i didn't say agreed with the lying, cheating, sleazy, do-anything-to-win traitor and neo-con mole . . . but there were many earlier saying she had lost, knew it and was bowing out with class . . . i said they were very naive to believe that and, of course, that made me a misogynist.

[mcnairbo]

01:38 PM on 02/22/2008

Why should Obama attack a fellow democrat when he has you, the corporate media and the republican party to do it for him?
Manson never got his hands dirty, he had brainwashed robots do it for him..

[in4success]

03:01 PM on 02/22/2008

why is it everything you accuse hillary is guilty of?: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/22/advice-for-hillary-negat_n_87967.html

read slowly and carefully so you'll get it.

[cambio]

01:33 PM on 02/22/2008

I love that she could bring up this yet again, after a week of hitting him with it, regardless of the fact that people have come up with many more examples of her lifting lines from others, she somehow has the audacity to attack him at the debate.

AND THEN SHE LIFTS TWO LINES FROM TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN HER "SPECIAL" CLOSING REMARKS!! HOLY HYPOCRITE!!

http://thepersonalispolitical.tumblr.com/post/27015007