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Myers: What "Professionals" Came Up With Clinton's Plan?

February 21, 2008 01:44 PM


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Lost, occasionally, in the hoopla of Sen. Barack Obama's candidacy and the news-grabbing stunts of President Bill Clinton, is discussion of Sen. Hillary Clinton's historic run to be the first female president.

Gender, however, has proved as much a hindrance as help to Hillary, said Dee Dee Myers, the former Clinton administration press secretary. And following losses to Obama in the last ten primaries, she adds, the former first lady will have a "very difficult" time in turning her electoral fortunes around, in part because of her sex.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Myers, author of "Why Women Should Rule The World," offered sweeping explanations for why Clinton has stalled: Her candidacy was overwhelmed by concerns over dynastic politics; Clinton was forced to walk the difficult line between appearing powerful or domineering; the press has been unreasonably harsh. But the sharpest critiques were saved for the overall campaign strategy.

"They woke up after Super Tuesday and just didn't have a plan," said Meyers. "They didn't have a firewall between Feb 5 and March 4. There was no state where they said we were going to make sure we win: Maine, Wisconsin, wherever it may be... How is that possible? What group of professionals came up with that plan?"

Making matters worse, she added, there are few tactics or attacks that Clinton can initiate which will likely bring Obama down to earth.

"When I really realize this guy was impossible to run against," said Myers, "was when someone asked him how his [Iowa] victory felt. And he said: "Just like I told my kindergarten teacher it was going to feel. I was like 'Oh... Point. Set. Match.'"

With all these obstacles, Myers concluded, Clinton's campaign finds itself in a fragile place. In fact, at one point in the interview, Myers caught herself slipping into the past tense when discussing Hillary's run at the White House.

"[Billie Jean King], when she played Bobby Riggs in the battle of the sexes tennis match in the 1970s, said that there was so much pressure she felt if she lost that she would set back her gender for 50 years," recalled Myers. "I don't think people feel that way for Hillary Clinton and that's a good thing. I don't think that in spite of the obstacles that gender has presented and the opportunity that gender has presented, it would have been historic for her to have been... I'm talking in the past tense. Look, I think the path for her is difficult, not impossible. She has to thread such a small needle from here on out. That's just reality."

As with the anecdote above, through all the bumps in the campaign road has been the subtext of Clinton's gender. And as Myers posits, sex has reared its ugly head multiple times in the presidential nomination.

Take the media. "You can still say anything in the press about a woman and really there is no penalty. That is not necessarily true about race, nor should it be," said Myers. "The things people have said about Hillary Clinton are mindless. Take Rush Limbaugh. And not just him, Chris Matthews can go on the air and say the only reason people vote for her is because her husband cheated on her. You could never say similar things like that about other candidates and not pay a penalty."

MNSBC, in particular, drew Myer's ire. The culture of the station, she argued, had allowed for misogynistic rhetoric, like when now-suspended correspondent David Shuster said daughter Chelsea Clinton had been "pimped out" to recruit superdelegates.

"I think what he said on the air is just what everyone says in the green room and behind the cameras over there," said Myers. "He just got caught."

Myers should know about the politics of gender. In the Clinton White House, she was paid less and held a lower title than her male predecessors. Her book, to that end, is an ode of sorts to the positive role that woman could play in public and private life if stereotypes were simply lifted. And in that regard, Myers summarized, women of all ages and political stripes feel something of an affinity to Clinton's candidacy.

"I think gender in some ways has been Hilary Clinton's ally, but in more ways it has been an obstacle," she said. "[Women] have felt this strong pull to both this idea of a woman president but also a reaction against what people instinctively feel is the treatment [of Clinton]. I think a lot of women are experiencing it very personally."

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About Sam Stein

Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.


 
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- argent1 I'm a Fan of argent1 16 fans permalink

Dede is right -- look, Stephanopolis got the great gig as heart-throbby man with brain, she didn't. Her more talented brain goes to waste over Gorgeous Georges sellout style. Clinton is the quintessential symbol for women of the modern era, but like the ERA - that hope is of no concern anymore. The big fight over Title 9, which allowed for more equality for women, got skanked by the male predominant social structure. (Eg: Harvard dean comments just two years ago; and the statistical evidence of males getting better attention in grade schools). Guys can't admit it's been their mammas or their wives who got to clean up after them. It's simply indelible. Women belong in the kitchen, or doing favors for men. Obama may end up being the happy lawn jockey in the end for the white boy - but better than having an old nag in charge. Right? Or are you not remembering the tales of men wounded on the battlefield -- crying for their mammas to make the pain go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 02/24/2008

It's real simple, folks. Hillary is losing because of the relentless misogyny and sexism in America. Why women don't wake up to this fact is astounding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 02/24/2008


... feminism, like all moral agendas, is ill-served by those who yearn for their own version of Bull Connor's dogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 02/24/2008
- realistxxx I'm a Fan of realistxxx 3 fans permalink

Simple, huh? Simple minded IMHO.

She's losing because she's run a bad (woefully bad) campaign. She's losing to a better candidate, with a better vision, less negatives and a much better campaign operation.

You are a silly person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 02/25/2008
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 10 fans permalink

Aside from her good looks, I've also enjoyed DeeDee Meyers perspective. Even though she was forced out, she maintains a healthy perspective and is able to divorce those feelings and think clearly. As a women who has been there and who has laid ground work for the woman doing the same position now, her perspective is very important to me-because, she's been there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/24/2008
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 90 fans permalink
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Hillary lost because she grossly overestimated her appeal as a politician and greatly exaggerated her capacity. It has nothing--at all--to do with sexism of any kind. She's just not that compelling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 02/23/2008
- finally I'm a Fan of finally 2 fans permalink

I agree with the overestimation - underestimation of her national 50% hard negative rating. As long as she seemed "inevitable" people followed her (not that they loved her that much) until it became clear what a compelling alternative Sen. Obama brought, and an entire new generation of voters for the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 02/24/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

S1m0n:

She lost because the public has been brainwashed by the media and you fell for it too. Take a look
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 02/24/2008

I'm still in a daze over the way the Clinton's have run their campaign. You have a former President and a candidate with 35 yrs. of whatever. Not to mention the millions your paying your campaign pubah's (Penn and Wolfson). And you get out hustled by an empty suit who is not ready on day one. There were sixteen candidates at the start and Senator Obama has run the best campaign I've seen in a while!

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 02/24/2008
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 20 fans permalink

So Dee-Dee has finally plucked and trimmed her eyebrows I see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 02/22/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 56 fans permalink

JScott you are an idiot. But Dee Dee is right about women identifying on a personal level with Hillary. The unremitting mindlessly negative treatment by the media and to a large extent the Obama camapign as seen on HuffPo are personally painful to me. And it has significantly undermined my resolve to support the Democratic nominee if it is Obama. I will hold my nose and vote for Obama but I won't walk a precinct, do any calling or contribute any money which I normally do. I am a long time activist who will be very passive this go round.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/22/2008
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 20 fans permalink

Well eeexxxxccc­cuuuusssse­eee me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 02/22/2008

afgail-
have you seen the study from The Center for Media and Public Affairs- www.politcalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 02/22/2008

I'm a women close to Hillary's age and I don Identify with Hillary. We are ready for a woman Presideent---Just not that woman. Sorry, but she's nothing like most woman. I believe she's done good things and did represent her gender well. But we will need someone like Condeleza Rice or even a few more women I could mention. She was to arrigant about believeing she didn't have to work for the Presidential Post. She thought it was owed her, an as Bill;s wife it would propell her into the Office.She learned a lot from this and maybe in eight years, her chance will come again if they can keep bill out of it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/22/2008

afgail--since obama is such an exemplary leader, i will follow his example and vote PRESENT--i will not vote for this Jim Jones fraud--i will not drink the koolaid

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 02/22/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

afgail:

Take a look at this before you make up your mind. You've been hoodwinked BIG TIME by the Republicans and the press.

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 02/24/2008

When the question of who voted for whom in the Democratic campaign was examined --


Analysis of exit polls tells us --


1. about 80% to 90% of blacks voted for Obama

2. about 60 % of white men voted for Obama

3. white women favored Clinton by about 10 points.


Taking note of these analyses, the media completely ignored the fact that --

4. blacks tended to vote on the basis of color

5. white males tended to vote on the basis of gender

6. white women tended to give Senator Clinton only around a 10 point margin


On the basis of these exit poll analyses, we need to ask why the pundits accepted the skewed voting of white males and of blacks without comment but continually attributed Senator Clinton's showing to a "women's vote".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 02/22/2008
- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

No, actually what we need to ask is why they do this analysis at all. Lets be realistic, the cable networks do them because they are in the business of ratings and with too much time to kill have turned this election into a race and gender fight as opposed to a question of who the better candidate is. While it may be reactionary to think that this somehow was at the determent of your choice - the truth is most people took it for what it was and ignored it. There are prejudiced people on both sides and they will never change their minds but honestly most of us don't give a damn and vote for who we think is best suited for the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 02/22/2008

Good points Mcfried. I was thinking about this the last night while watching the debate on CNN.com. At the side of the screen was a meter which showed a test audiences favourable­/unfavoura­ble responses to statements made by the candidates. Now I would usually roll my eyes at this sort of thing since it sort of taks the magic and conjecture out of the debate (rather like seeing a nude supermodel rather than one who is scantily clad :(). But then it occurred to me that these types of innovations are in fact a tool of political science. The ability to analyse a voter's reaction to various propositional stimuli is, when you really think about it, fascinating. I'm not sure that makes me a convert to all such tecnological innovation with respect to politics, but it gives me a new appreciation for the notion of politics as a scientific endeavour (and makes me rather more proud of my Political Science BA and less covetous of those who got a degree in more practical subjects !)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 02/22/2008
- rbe1 I'm a Fan of rbe1 permalink

How perfectly superior of you. You must be very well educated. However, in the real world - especially among most blacks, many browns, and many women, race and gender will continue for some time to count, whether you ignore it or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 02/23/2008

Could not agree more. The center for media and public affairs did a study on the positive vs negative coverage both candidates were receiving - the results may surprise ALL Democrats and Republicans
www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 02/22/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

sorry darlamac:

The Huff post blocked access to the page you recommend. Maybe this one will be 'allowed'

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 02/24/2008

"On the basis of these exit poll analyses, we need to ask why the pundits accepted the skewed voting of white males and of blacks without comment but continually attributed Senator Clinton's showing to a "women's vote"."



You need to break it down further - Obama is winning or drawing Clinton among white women under the age of 50. Only when you get to those over 50 is their a heavy preference.


And that's notable: the votes of older white women are anomalous. When you have EVERY SINGLE demographic skewing towards Obama except one, I don't see how you can make the argument that they're ALL voting their races/genders, and that only the one group the Clinton still holds should be viewed as the norm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 02/23/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

darlmac:

And who do you think runs the center for media and public affairs? That source is A bit biased to say the very least:

The American public has fallen for the same media hype AGAIN! Unreal!

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/24/2008

HALLELUYA!!!

THANK YOU FOR THIS POST TWO CENTS WORTH!!!

This is completely true - "male" gender bias and "race/color" bias have been ignored - and yet simultaneously Hillary is being beaten up in the press purely because she is a woman.

It's a DISGRACE!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 02/24/2008

Sexism is not Hillary's primary antagonist. Her inability to radiate charm and warmth is the kicker. Few doubt her intelligence and toughness. But, politics aside, she radiates about as much humanity as Dan Quayle, and wears the same post-zinger smirk. Not conductive to likability, regardless of gender. If Hillary could co-opt Pat Schroeder's personality (or Olympia Snowe's, for that matter), she would be the candidate of the Ages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 02/24/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

TwoCentsWorth:

I'm wondering why the American public continues to allow the media to mislead them in this very important election? Why are they standing for it? Why are they not demanding the biased pundits, be replaced with ethical reporters?

Why aren't they demanding they be FULLY INFORMED - without bias?

What is going on here? I thought Americans believed in free speech. I sure haven't seen anything resembling that in media coverage. It's disgraceful. The media has created a Pop Star for president and the public is so busy swooning, they can't see how they've been played the same way they were in the last election! Fool me once....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 02/24/2008
- FZliveson I'm a Fan of FZliveson 78 fans permalink
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Look, fraidycats­...Hillary is NOT FEMININE. Despite the pantsuits, despite the phony tears, despite the make-up and whatever gawdaful fragrance(s) she puts on, she is a masculinistic, scheming, disingenuous coconspirator with husband, Bilk Lint-on. The spot-weld moment for me was when Hillarious was marching around Washington protesting the Dubai Ports Deal while Big Wheelie was over in the Emirates (Dubai-area) coaching the sheiks on how to win-over the American peeples. It has nothing to do with her genitals or her emotional dispostion and in my mind, I doubt she has a zero "Y chromosome count."

There was a day when Nancy Pelosi (about day 33-1/3) looked like a VP candidate to me. I've thought Oprah could be a great influence in Washington if she were given some power. Hey...Suze Orman, Martha Stewart, Caroline Kennedy, Meryl Streep, Babs Streisand...all flawed in their own ways...are WOMEN. Ariana Huffington has her really great days too! I've thought these real women could be great in power. So let's drop the context and phony excuse that because she has functionable mammary glands and other bits which differentiate her, that somehow that is why people don't like her. It is her predatory actions, her insincere countenance, her dependence on philanerous Bill and 300 million other reasons...that creature, Hillary, makes me gag. Yuck, Spit...end of statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 02/22/2008

x2

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 02/22/2008

I think you all have made this too complicated... at the base of Hillary's plummeting campaign is her obvious insincerity. The joke of
her being in the White House for 8 years... is as First Lady and
she was an invasive force then. Appearing at all meetings..
even Bill commented "you get 2 for the price of one"...
And he STILL cheated on her .. right in the White House...
This time we REALLY don't want that... not the Bill we are seeing now...veins popping out of his neck as he tries to be King of the Universe..
Give US a break Bill/Hill...
America has shown you that you might not have changed but WE have... no more filthy politics.. no more intimidation....
We have moved on.... and you???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/22/2008

Insincere? Really- have you looked into Obama's donors?
www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

The Carlyle Group
Exelon

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 02/22/2008
- Ndw I'm a Fan of Ndw 10 fans permalink
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Wasn't it Rush Limbaugh who started the juvenile, maybe 5th grade tactic of warping people's names, 'cutely?' "Bilk Lint-on?"

Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 02/22/2008
- rbe1 I'm a Fan of rbe1 permalink

And you are full of shit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 02/23/2008
- Groobiecat I'm a Fan of Groobiecat 10 fans permalink

I'm an Obama supporter, and I agree, you are full of shit. Misogynistic people like you are one reason why so Hillary supporters hate Obama supporters.

Thanks for undermining Barack. Ugh, go away...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/23/2008

Thanks Groobiecat, my sentiments exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/23/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Thank you Groobie... I agree. Obama supporters are scary. You sound like a reasonable person, too bad you're one of a very few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/24/2008

Lets show some respect everyone. It is President Clinton, Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. Each of these people have put themselves and their record before the electorate and have been elected. That is something none of us (so far as I can see) can claim. Some of the name calling on here is not only juvenile but more than rude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 02/22/2008
- blackrome I'm a Fan of blackrome 11 fans permalink

Here is a good question?

What if Obama lost 10 straight.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022102159.html?nav=hcmodule

Eugene Robinson

Humor me while we conduct a little thought experiment. Imagine that Barack Obama had lost 10 contests in a row. Imagine that he now trailed Hillary Clinton substantially in the number of Democratic primaries and caucuses won, in total votes cast, in pledged convention delegates, in the overall delegate count, in fundraising and in the ineffable attribute called mojo. Imagine that Obama was struggling, at this late hour, to come up with the right message. What would the conventional wisdom say?

That it was over, of course. That Obama was toast. That staking everything on the March 4 primaries in Ohio and Texas was a starry-eyed hope, not a plan, and that it was time to smell the coffee.

Whenever Obama faced reporters, he'd have to answer tough questions. Why was he carrying on, knowing that he'd have to win by unrealistically large margins in all the remaining states to catch up? Didn't it worry him that relying on the superdelegates -- the Democratic establishment, basically -- to hand him the nomination could divide and weaken the party? Wasn't he concerned that Republican John McCain has such a head start in unifying his party and plotting his general election campaign?

The above, you will have noticed, is an accurate description of where Clinton stands right now. Yet nobody is forcing her to respond publicly to those painful questions. The reason is obvious: She's Hillary Clinton, and history suggests it's foolish to count out a Clinton until the last dog dies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 02/22/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 56 fans permalink

It would be helpful to examine what happened to Deval Patrick, another under-qualified black candidate that ran on hope and change. He was equally as unqualified to be governor or Mass. as Obama is to be president. Patrick has performed miserably as Governor. That is why Hillary did so well in Mass despite the Kennedy endorsements for Obama. Mass. voters have experienced the hope and change con job once before and were not going to be conned a second time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 02/22/2008
- Lap48 I'm a Fan of Lap48 2 fans permalink

Sooo, what are you saying? That black candidates are fungible [assuming that Patrick, newly installed in the Governor's mansions, has indelibly defined his governorship]?
Look, your post is as nonsensical as one which said that we should beware all women candidates who run for the presidency in the wake of Clinton. Let's just face it: she cynically voted for a force authorisation bill that no right-thinking progressive or conservative [in the past sense of the term, not what's come to pass for "conservtive" in the last decade and a half] should have voted for and then--ooops, she did it, again--when she voted for Kyle-Lieberman. Throw in the abysmal Philly performance re Gov. Spitzer's license experiment, her post-waffling attempt to rally women to stop "all the boys ganging up on her[when she needed to act as and realise that she was the Frontrunne­r--Imagine if Obama had keened morosely to blacks, in a similar situation] and blowing through 100 million dollars on a sophmorically run and shortsightedly planned campaign [Obama doing the same? You might have heard some of her supporters, and the media saying sotto voce that maybe "they" weren't ready yet] and one wonders why the same thing--wrong headed as it is--couldn't be turned on women candidates for the Presidency.
Let's just drop that nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/22/2008

... and he whistled at a white lady.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 02/24/2008
- blackrome I'm a Fan of blackrome 11 fans permalink

Hillary did blow it.

She blew it when she sided with the Neo_Cons on the Kyl-Lieberman vote.

A DC insider should have known that Cheney was holding up the NIE for the reasons we found out.

She should have known this but she sided with the Neo-Cons again. How could she.

It showed that Hillary did not learn anything form her experience of having to defend her Iraq vote for 5 years.

The lesson to be learned was DO NOT TRUST BUSH.

She is paying for it.

She thought politics with her votes instead of what the progressive base wanted.

It was a huge mistake and opened the door for Obama.

So yeah she blew it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 02/22/2008

I agree. People are not NOT VOTING for her because she is a woman; they are not voting for her because she is Sen. Hillary Clinton (D), but she has been voting to often with the (R)'s. This is a PRIMARY, not a General Election, and she has alienated us Democrats who would have liked to see a stronger stand from her against the lying, cheating, stealing, horrifying Bush Administration. Instead, she caved on every vote and then cawed about it. I don't find Hillary repulsive as some of the Trolls have posted, but I also do not find her an appealing candidate for president. And I do not find the idea of the so-called "Dream Ticket" to be the least bit dreamy. More like nightmarish. The only way McCain can win in November is if Obama puts Hillary on his ticket as VP. It is time for Hillary to "be just fine" and to bow out gracefully, then return to the senate and learn how to vote when you have a (D) after your name. She could be a player over there, but she can't be a player in this election anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 02/22/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 56 fans permalink

Hillary did not blow it. The media in cahoots with the Hate Hillary Industry have beat up on her and given Obama a pass. Basically, the primary has been and unfair fight from the get go. I think we will all regret an Obama presidency as much as we do the Bush II presidency for some of the same reasons - incomptence but also indecisiveness. The evidence is in all those Obama "present" votes which is equal to "I can't decide".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 02/22/2008

great point afgail-
there is a study to back you up
www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/22/2008

BOO HOO.

...like the Clintons have ever played by the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 02/22/2008

Afgail, you're a demagogue - you're repeating arguments that have been refuted time and time again, and by now even you should know that they don't hold water.


The present votes were (again!) part of legislative strategy that Planned Parenthood laid out. Also (again), in the Illinois Legislature, a vote of "present" is equivalent to a vote of "no" - it doesn't work like the US Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/23/2008
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 90 fans permalink
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You know, this is pretty insulting. The members of the democratic party who have soured on Hillary were, in large measure, delighted when she took her seat in the senate. We were thrilled; we'd been hearing all along about how great Hillary was; how smart, how committed she was to liberal values.

And then, one by one, the votes Hillary cast and the decisions she made drove up all off. We WANTED her to succeed in the senate. We wanted her to make us proud.

But she did none of those things, and eventually we had to stop pretending that once in power, she would. She won't. We've accepted that, now, despite the disappointment.

~~

Which is why its so annoying to get called sexist, or crazy, or deluded, for not supporting Hillary, as if we OWED her this support. As if we turned to another candidate on a whim, and turned away from Hillary after supporting her for so long because we're bad people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 02/24/2008

... if only Hillary had voted "present" on the Iraq debacle.
It isn't fair? You can lose with more dignity than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 02/24/2008
- HC I'm a Fan of HC permalink

1. A couple of very obvious observations.
HRC's campaign strategy can be described in short order as the following: "If you build it they will come". In other words, being trapped in 1994 w/Netscape 2.0 browser while all the time trying to psyche everyone out by reiterating that the coronation is complete already anyway -- a standard practice rooted in traditional high school dynamics. Except well it's been a while since high school.

2. BO's ground game is simply an established version of what Howard Dean first brought to the table and the likes of McAuliffe and the entire Old Guard DNC etc. thought was churlish, novel and really not going anywhere.

3. The ease in which white male voters have even crossed party lines to vote for BO has as much potentially to do with "sexism" as something even more profound --- specifically that white males actually might feel comfortable w/a black male in a high level govermental capacity. And for that we should thank 41 and 43 --- through them we got years of Colin Powell and Condi Rice (and others too like Rod Page etc.). Say what you want about the Bushes and their policy -- by initiating and appointing people of color into significant cabinet positions, they have indirectly helped make it not such a big deal to consider a black president, let alone help make it possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 02/22/2008
- Lap48 I'm a Fan of Lap48 2 fans permalink

As to paragraph 3: good point, HC. Throw in Fox's "24" and you suddenly start thinking about Republican moguls and Republican administrations vis a vis race. To Clinton's credit, he did appoint blacks to cabinet level positions [which stirred up the yahoo element of the Republican Party from '94 on] but those were positions where you wouldn't necessarily make the mental transition from cabinet post to Commander-in-Chief [However, let's be honest, here, Rice has been a disaster; Powell will forever have to live down the shame of the U.N. briefing but at least he had a substantial body of work to fall back on].

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 02/22/2008
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I tried to support Hillary, I honestly did...but the hubris, the campaign of 'inevitability', and then the horrible mismanagement of her own campaign of which I would assume she could be referred to as the 'CEO'? What does that say about her ability to lead on 'day one'? She got blindsided by a rookie from Illinois and she didn't even see it coming

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 02/22/2008
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The Hillary Clinton campaign basically displayed what Americans have seen enough of in the W era - hubris. Their primary strategy during this campaign tragically echoes what we've seen in another campaign - the war in Iraq. I in no way wish to denigrate Hillary Clinton or her campaign, but just illustrate some interesting parallels between the two. "Hillary would be greeted as a liberator" they said. There was NO long-term planning and NO "what-if" strategies were developed. The Clinton campaign assumed it could "shock and awe" its challengers and end major combat operations by Super Tuesday. They actually did well up until Super Tuesday, much like US troops did have Iraq under control immediately after the initial invasion. But because they hadn't planned for an "occupation", a long-term slug through the remaining primary states, they were in no position to defend their gains after Super Tuesday. And thus the insurgence began chipping away their control of the situation. They believe the war would cost less than $200 billion (okay, @ $100 million in primary election terms) and did not deploy enough troops on the ground (grass-roots movement anyone?) to keep the lead. Now they're trying to deploy a "surge", only this time, unlike the Iraq war, the Clinton campaign has REAL benchmarks and a timetable to meet - x number of superdelegates by the end of the primary season in the summer. Ironically, unlike the war, the Clintons' can't run up a trillion dollar deficit.
And yes, the Clinton camp had "professionals" with long resumes working on their war plan, however, I would imagine they probably had their share of generals who told them they needed more troops, resources and planning to fight through the primary campaign. Like the Iraq war, they've changed the generals (campaign manager), but haven't fired the major strategist­s/architec­ts of the situation. Some Clinton supporters blame the Iranians/R­epublicans for aiding the insurgents and fail to acknowledge their own missteps in strategy. The Clintons can still win, much as the US can still win in Iraq. But the question is whether in the long-term Iraq or Democratic party can survive the intra-party carnage that grows worse as long as the situation remains unresolved and there is no clear winner. Both Iraq and the Dems need to be viable to face the real challenges OUTSIDE their borders that still lie ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 02/22/2008
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Like the way you fashioned that analogy, mawrm. Pretty dead on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 02/22/2008
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The Hillary Clinton campaign basically displayed what Americans have seen enough of in the W era - hubris. Their primary strategy during this campaign tragically echoes what we've seen in another campaign - the war in Iraq. I in no way wish to denigrate Hillary Clinton or her campaign, but just illustrate some interesting parallels between the two. "Hillary would be greeted as a liberator" they said. There was NO long-term planning and NO "what-if" strategies were developed. The Clinton campaign assumed it could "shock and awe" its challengers and end major combat operations by Super Tuesday. They actually did well up until Super Tuesday, much like US troops did have Iraq under control immediately after the initial invasion. But because they hadn't planned for an "occupation", a long-term slug through the remaining primary states, they were in no position to defend their gains after Super Tuesday. And thus the insurgence began chipping away their control of the situation. They believe the war would cost less than $200 billion (okay, @ $100 million in primary election terms) and did not deploy enough troops on the ground (grass-roots movement anyone?) to keep the lead. Now they're trying to deploy a "surge", only this time, unlike the Iraq war, the Clinton campaign has REAL benchmarks and a timetable to meet - x number of superdelegates by the end of the primary season in the summer. Ironically, unlike the war, the Clintons' can't run up a trillion dollar deficit.
And yes, the Clinton camp had "professionals" with long resumes working on their war plan, however, I would imagine they probably had their share of generals who told them they needed more troops, resources and planning to fight through the primary campaign. Like the Iraq war, they've changed the generals (campaign manager), but haven't fired the major strategist­s/architec­ts of the situation. Some Clinton supporters blame the Iranians/R­epublicans for aiding the insurgents and fail to acknowledge their own missteps in strategy. The Clintons can still win, much as the US can still win in Iraq. But the question is whether in the long-term Iraq or Democratic party can survive the intra-party carnage that grows worse as long as the situation remains unresolved and there is no clear winner. Both Iraq and the Dems need to be viable to face the real challenges OUTSIDE their borders that still lie ahead.

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