Myers: What "Professionals" Came Up With Clinton's Plan?

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First Posted: 02-21-08 01:44 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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Lost, occasionally, in the hoopla of Sen. Barack Obama's candidacy and the news-grabbing stunts of President Bill Clinton, is discussion of Sen. Hillary Clinton's historic run to be the first female president.

Gender, however, has proved as much a hindrance as help to Hillary, said Dee Dee Myers, the former Clinton administration press secretary. And following losses to Obama in the last ten primaries, she adds, the former first lady will have a "very difficult" time in turning her electoral fortunes around, in part because of her sex.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Myers, author of "Why Women Should Rule The World," offered sweeping explanations for why Clinton has stalled: Her candidacy was overwhelmed by concerns over dynastic politics; Clinton was forced to walk the difficult line between appearing powerful or domineering; the press has been unreasonably harsh. But the sharpest critiques were saved for the overall campaign strategy.

"They woke up after Super Tuesday and just didn't have a plan," said Meyers. "They didn't have a firewall between Feb 5 and March 4. There was no state where they said we were going to make sure we win: Maine, Wisconsin, wherever it may be... How is that possible? What group of professionals came up with that plan?"

Making matters worse, she added, there are few tactics or attacks that Clinton can initiate which will likely bring Obama down to earth.

"When I really realize this guy was impossible to run against," said Myers, "was when someone asked him how his [Iowa] victory felt. And he said: "Just like I told my kindergarten teacher it was going to feel. I was like 'Oh... Point. Set. Match.'"

With all these obstacles, Myers concluded, Clinton's campaign finds itself in a fragile place. In fact, at one point in the interview, Myers caught herself slipping into the past tense when discussing Hillary's run at the White House.

"[Billie Jean King], when she played Bobby Riggs in the battle of the sexes tennis match in the 1970s, said that there was so much pressure she felt if she lost that she would set back her gender for 50 years," recalled Myers. "I don't think people feel that way for Hillary Clinton and that's a good thing. I don't think that in spite of the obstacles that gender has presented and the opportunity that gender has presented, it would have been historic for her to have been... I'm talking in the past tense. Look, I think the path for her is difficult, not impossible. She has to thread such a small needle from here on out. That's just reality."

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As with the anecdote above, through all the bumps in the campaign road has been the subtext of Clinton's gender. And as Myers posits, sex has reared its ugly head multiple times in the presidential nomination.

Take the media. "You can still say anything in the press about a woman and really there is no penalty. That is not necessarily true about race, nor should it be," said Myers. "The things people have said about Hillary Clinton are mindless. Take Rush Limbaugh. And not just him, Chris Matthews can go on the air and say the only reason people vote for her is because her husband cheated on her. You could never say similar things like that about other candidates and not pay a penalty."

MNSBC, in particular, drew Myer's ire. The culture of the station, she argued, had allowed for misogynistic rhetoric, like when now-suspended correspondent David Shuster said daughter Chelsea Clinton had been "pimped out" to recruit superdelegates.

"I think what he said on the air is just what everyone says in the green room and behind the cameras over there," said Myers. "He just got caught."

Myers should know about the politics of gender. In the Clinton White House, she was paid less and held a lower title than her male predecessors. Her book, to that end, is an ode of sorts to the positive role that woman could play in public and private life if stereotypes were simply lifted. And in that regard, Myers summarized, women of all ages and political stripes feel something of an affinity to Clinton's candidacy.

"I think gender in some ways has been Hilary Clinton's ally, but in more ways it has been an obstacle," she said. "[Women] have felt this strong pull to both this idea of a woman president but also a reaction against what people instinctively feel is the treatment [of Clinton]. I think a lot of women are experiencing it very personally."

Lost, occasionally, in the hoopla of Sen. Barack Obama's candidacy and the news-grabbing stunts of President Bill Clinton, is discussion of Sen. Hillary Clinton's historic run to be the first female p...
Lost, occasionally, in the hoopla of Sen. Barack Obama's candidacy and the news-grabbing stunts of President Bill Clinton, is discussion of Sen. Hillary Clinton's historic run to be the first female p...
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- Anastasia I'm a Fan of Anastasia 72 fans permalink
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Contrary to the idea that the Clintons have gotten unfair treatment by the media, while Obama has gotten a free ride, Hillary has never been held responsible, for any of the missteps of the Clinton Administration.

She is running on her record as help- mate-in-chief, to Bill, but what happened during those years, and her role, is being left up to the imagination.

Where is the rehashing of the way the Clintons, pretty much messed up "from day one"? Why did the Democratically elected Congress, not go along with much of their agenda? Where are the stories about how, as far as the DC press corps was concerned, Hillary treated them so badly in the beginning, that their relationship, never recovered.

The there is the issue of the WH travel office fiasco. From thehill.com:

In 1993, the new first lady pushed hard for mass firings in the office, getting rid of longtime employees so Clinton buddies could get a piece of the White House press corps travel business.

She told David Watkins, the aide whose job it was to actually lower the boom on the workers, “Well, you know we need to have our people in there,” according to Watkins’s testimony.

She pressured then-chief of staff Mack McLarty to fire the workers, and together, Watkins and McLarty felt Mrs. Clinton breathing down their necks. Watkins wrote, but did not send, a memo to McLarty saying they both “knew that there would be hell to pay if … we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the first lady’s wishes.”

http://thehill.com/byron-york/obama-should-read-the-hillary-files-2008-01-30.html

If anything, Hillary has gotten off lightly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 02/21/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Seems to me one of Hillary's most fundamental mistakes has been basing much of her campaign on her experience as First Lady and on Bill's record. Had she based her experience claims strictly on her own accomplishments and Senate record, she might be more credible. Her failure on the health proposal in the 90s is not a plus, despite her spin that she learned from it. But the biggest sticking point with many Democrats has absolutely nothing to do with gender--i.e., her vote on the Iraq War.

Agreed, there is abundant sexism in the US and it is more obvious and accepted than racism, but for a variety of reasons, some self-inflicted (like allowing Bill to become the story at times during the campaign), Hillary has been unable to transcend gender in the way Obama has transcended race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 02/21/2008
- TimSearl I'm a Fan of TimSearl 4 fans permalink

I assume you don't know what her Senate record is. If you did, then you would know why she isn't running on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 02/21/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

I agree that her Senate record is not particularly strong and has some obvious weaknesses, especially Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/21/2008
- tdbach I'm a Fan of tdbach 5 fans permalink

I'm pretty sick of this line of argument against Clinton, that her experience claim is phony because its based on her time as First Lady. Hillary was unlike any First Lady in the history of this country - and that includes Eleanor Roosevelt. She was wasn't an orniment or simply an advocate for pet causes. She was as instumental in policy as any presidential advisor, not just in advocating a position but in actually writing policy. She has as much in common with prior (or subsequent) First Ladies as a wolf has with a lap dog. She truly has been intimately involved in national politics a lot longer than Mr. Obama. That's not a vacuous talking point.

You can indeed quibble with what those policies have been and her success or lack of it in crafting them, but to suggest that she is no better than "a First Lady" is, in fact, sexist.

As to her position on the invasion and occupation of Iraq: Politcs is a lot easier to critique than it is to participate in. McCain used to be "outraged" at Bush tax cuts when his political ambitions weren't tied to them. Now listen to him, when he needs that Republican "base". Obama was free to deride the war from the political safety of his Illinois district. Once in the Senate, looking perhaps to presidential aspirations and needing allies in congress, he voted much as Hillary did in "support of the troups."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 02/21/2008

Yeah, but if we judge her record as a political First Lady, then we run straight into the initiative that was hers to run with -- health care reform. And that was a tragic failure with real consequences for the growing millions of Americans who are uninsured.

And if we judge her Senate record, then her vote to authorize the war has to be the most important consideration because that is a war has devastated millions of Iraqis, cost thousands of American lives (and altered many thousands more for the worse -- physical and mental casualties), and cost us a trillion dollars that we can't use to improve lives at home or abroad.

Finally, you seem to be suggesting that Hillary Clinton voted as she did on Iraq because of political calculations. Well, if that's so, why are you angry that many Democratic voters are weighing in on that political decision? Many voters are acting now to change the calculations that other Democrats in her position will make in the future. Next time, a presidential wannabe gets a chance to vote on a preemptive war, he or she will also need to consider the antiwar backlash in that decision. And from where I sit, that's a very nice consequence of this rejection of HRC in favor of Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 02/21/2008
- Susan1968 I'm a Fan of Susan1968 13 fans permalink



On a slightly unrelated topic ...

Where are all of Obama's rapid supporters on HuffPo today?

After weeks of Obama people posting vile things about Hillary on HuffPo, today it seems incredibly quiet.

Sure, a few Obama people have posted - using reasonable, adult language to make their case. Fair enough.

But where are the Obama minnions who posted horrible, nasty attacks against Hillary and Hillary's supporters today?

Strange huh? They'rw virtually gone from HuffPo today. I made a point of looking at all topic comments. Where are they?

My best guess: The Rapid Obama Supporters where sent here by the Obama Campaign to viciouslly attcak Hillary supporters and now the Obama campaign has called off their dogs.

Why would they do this?

I suspect it's because more and more Hillary supporters (myself included) started to express they would NOT vote for Obama in the general election, as recently as yesterday.

Look around HuffPo and tell me what you think.

Even attacks against Cindy McCain have slowed down today.

Is there still any question that Obama's campaign has indeed been playing dirty here on HuffPo?



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 02/21/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

The vitriol has been intense on both sides.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 02/21/2008

Obama-mania takes the cake. And too bad they did themselves in with their viciousness because there are many who will not turn the empty page with him, and vote blindly for an untested person who spews platitudes of nothing but shamelessly accepts speeches, endorsements, or anything that will get him one step closer to the White House in the same old, same old dirty political trickery. Good luck winning the general Barack because your days as preacher extraordinaire are over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/21/2008
- dadumdee I'm a Fan of dadumdee 7 fans permalink

What a paranoid comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 02/21/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 13 fans permalink

Wow - do you still believe in the vast right wing conspiracy too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 02/21/2008

There WAS a vast right wing conspiracy, you eejit. There still is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/21/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

Or maybe we just don't like H(fR)C?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/21/2008
- derekw007 I'm a Fan of derekw007 10 fans permalink
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Hillary is a smelly wiener-mouth poopy head.

Go Obama!

(couldn't resist)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/21/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

Ut oh. Now you're a cultist for daring such a foul-mouthed criticism of St. Hillary...lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 02/21/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 374 fans permalink
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The biggest problem of Clinton's campaign? Penn, Wolfson, Grunwald, Bill and Hillary, utter lack of planning anything beyond Bill's 16 year old game plan, belief in their own hype, and insular arrogant stubbornness.

Beyond that, Dee Dee makes all kinds of important points. If only Hillary had had a crystal ball, but it's too late and it's over. I hope that Dee Dee can help Hillary and Bill find a way to bow out gracefully and not destroy the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 02/21/2008
- Anastasia I'm a Fan of Anastasia 72 fans permalink
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Re: "In the Clinton White House, she was paid less and held a lower title than her male predecessors."

It's astonishing that Dee Dee Myers isn't able to connect the dots, between her own problems with being discriminated against, as press sect'y, and who was responsible for it. The chauvinism, of paying her less than her male counterparts, has to land squarely at Bill's door.

Why Dee Dee is calling out the media's sexism, when she was clearly a victim of sexist treatment, by Bill, is totally baffling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 02/21/2008

Thanks Anastasia,
My sentiments exactly. If HRC is such a women's advocate and she was intimately involved in her husband's presidency, how come she didn't make sure the women working in the White House
received parity with the men?

How come HRC doesn't get credit for the poor performance of her campaign? She is the executive of her campaign. She has veto power. How can she run the government if she can't manage her campaign?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 02/21/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 13 fans permalink

It always has amazed me that so many women are so willing to give Bill a pass on his sexist behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/21/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

Excellent point. Who the heck does she think was allocating her pay, MSNBC?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 02/21/2008

"[Billie Jean King], when she played Bobby Riggs in the battle of the sexes tennis match in the 1970s, said that there was so much pressure she felt if she lost that she would set back her gender for 50 years," recalled Myers.

I remember a Bobby Riggs interview years ago, in which he admitted to betting the FARM against himself and taking a dive. So much for the "you go, girl" movement, and besides, he was old enough to be Billie Jean's dad, and besides that, King probably had as much testosterone coursing through her as Riggs.

Anyway ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 02/21/2008
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STM-you are sadly lacking in comprehension. What Riggs said is he bet against himself because he KNEW he was going to get smoked by a superior athlete and player. Your comment about Billie Jean reveals you for the homophobic, sexist you are...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 02/21/2008
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I watched the King Riggs match and you know, Riggs could have played his heart out and King would have beat him easily. Riggs was way, way past his prime and King was in the middle of hers. The match was silly and pointless; it proved nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/21/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

It was all about the Benjamins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/21/2008
- tkar I'm a Fan of tkar permalink

MSNBC is the worst offender, Chris Matthews ('Hardball') and Tucker Carlson alone have done nothing but beat up on Hillary from the very beginning to the present. When it's about Obama they are both awe-struck & congradulating his campaign, etc.. and whenever it's about Hillary it's always something negative they have to say -they don't even bother to hide it; I have stopped watching them because it was all too much; anyone viewing could see the outright bias & hostility that these two guys perpetrate on a daily basis. Chris Matthews likes to joke openly about his 'power' as a media-pundit -one cannot discern if he's serious or not..and Tucker Carlson is a confirmed Hillary-hater he is one like one of those types of Republicans that votes for Obama (knowing he's the most Liberal candidate)in these open primaries, but rest assured will be voting for McCain in the Fall. It's a joke.. and so very sad at the same time..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 02/21/2008

Dee Dee Meyers is a disgruntled b*tch who has nothing nice to say about Hillary or any of the Clintons who gave Dee Dee extraordinary opportunities as a young women. DEE DEE SHUT UP, we don't care what you have to say. And MSNBC will do anything - drag any low life out of the woodwork to spew venom about the Clintons. How this network is not charged with reckless reporting, slander, libel, etc. is beyond me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 02/21/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 13 fans permalink

A little harsh - she was doing a job, and if I remember, she did it well. Why would that count as extraordinary opportunities?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 02/21/2008

I didn't get this at all, from the article. If anything, she was annoyed at Clinton's campaign for screwing it up.
I don't know about the pay issue, although I am not sure the president decides this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 02/21/2008
- passport I'm a Fan of passport 2 fans permalink

I agree the MSM is a joke and has been unfair to Hillary, but I do not think thats why she is losing.
Its not really fair to compare racism and sexism in this society....People should protest loudly when these type of sexist or racist remarks are made , thats the only thing that will get them to change, more Imus treatments.
The only way you can hurt these networks is in the pocketbook. But can you imagine if Hillary was Black? they not only would be commenting on her pantsuit ,OReily would be lynching her too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/21/2008
- ariadne1 I'm a Fan of ariadne1 2 fans permalink

hillarys campaign to win the white house reminds me a bush's plan to win the war in iraq.


when things did not go according to plan, there was no contingency plan nor any backup plan.

she also does not apologize and values loyalty over expertise. they seem to have alot in common... that's scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/21/2008
- AgathaX I'm a Fan of AgathaX 13 fans permalink
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Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 02/21/2008



This approach is %100 influenced by their ongoing relationships with dictators in third world countries where Nepotism Rules the Day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 02/21/2008
- geriak I'm a Fan of geriak 3 fans permalink

Probably the one thing this country could really use right now would be a woman president. Will it happen? Probably not - For those of us who think this woman is more capable than a man and know it probably won't happen - saddens us. We all know that in our lifetime there will not be a woman president of the US. Maybe another 100 years and we will see one. Not very optimistic if this one does not prevail. I agree with DEE DEE and think sheis spot on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 02/21/2008
- DRPike I'm a Fan of DRPike 13 fans permalink
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"I agree with DEE DEE and think sheis spot on!"

Especially when she said "Making matters worse, she added, there are few tactics or attacks that Clinton can initiate which will likely bring Obama down to earth"

Obama is winning because he is a better choice. The reason HRC will not be the first woman president is not misogyny, it's timing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 02/21/2008

I think if Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer were running there would be a different result. Women who have their own competent history....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/21/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 13 fans permalink

My crystal ball sees it differently. I think there will be one sooner, when one who the citizens of the US think is qualified and capable runs. Not Senator Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/21/2008
- passport I'm a Fan of passport 2 fans permalink

Thats so not true, There are dozens of women Senators and Governors, at lot of them support Obama , and they will run and win in the future. Especially if they take his lead and run a smart 50 state campaign.
Do not be surprised if Obama choses one for the VP spot. It just will not be Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 02/21/2008

I totally disagree with that comment. Just because Hillary may not get the nomination does not mean that it will be 100 years till we get a woman president. I have seen many capable women that work in the political realm that could run for office in the years to come. I don't think Hillary made a good candidate and by the looks of how she ran her campaign I am probably right. She sure wasn't a good leader when it came to the last year of this campaign and that is the biggest thing she has ever run. Just because she couldn't do it does not mean that it will take 100 years for another woman to do it. It had nothing to do with her gender it had to do with her abilities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 02/21/2008

Yoko Ono called it right in the 70's when she said, "Women are the nigg**s of the world."
I am thrilled to learn that American voters aren't as racist as I thought, but I am dismayed they are far more misoynistic than anyone thought.
I guess having a penis trumps anything in national politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 02/21/2008
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Excuse me? John Lennon wrote the phrase and the song. Yoko just tailed along on his coat-tails...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 02/21/2008
- tomcj I'm a Fan of tomcj 5 fans permalink

Smooty booty has that right and it is soooo ironic: a self-piteous supporter of Hillary appealing to Yoko Onon as a role model!

Take away Bill Clinton and what is Hillary Rodham? We will never know, and that is her tragedy. She cannot define herself in her life, in her marriage, or her public life.

BTW everybody should stop feeling sorry for themselves. We live in a class-defined society. Those of us in the Professional and Middle Class have one possible life, the Top One Per Cent have another (see Paris Hilton) and those making under 30,000 have theirs.

FACT: If Hillary Rodham were a better candidate and better person, she might have been president. But Hillary Clinton is a moral disaster and a timid leader with no actual accomplishments. She began as Senator running as her husband's wife in a state she never lived in, as the abominable George Will Pointed out, and now she thinks she DESERVES to be president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 02/21/2008
- DRPike I'm a Fan of DRPike 13 fans permalink
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And having a positive message people can believe in and rally behind...there is that believable positive message thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 02/21/2008
- jade7243 I'm a Fan of jade7243 96 fans permalink

Unfortunately, women aren't the n*ggers of the world. I should know. I'm a woman and I'm also black. Whenever someone wants to make themselves seem really oppressed they claim to be the n*gger of whatever group they think is oppressing them. But saying it, doesn't make it so. I find it disingenuous of women (and here we go... sorry) especially white women claiming some kind of oppression that doesn't match up to what black folks have had to geal with. Ask the question, and tell me the honest answer, if you could choose, which would you choose: being a white woman or being a black man? In your heart, you know the real answer. And it wasn't black man. Case closed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 02/21/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

It's such an interesting dilemma. Given how I've been underpaid and passed over for positions and think it's related to gender, I cannot dismiss that misogyny negatively affects all women. Read a bit on "separate spheres" ideology and how the "all men are created equal" was predicated on their superiority over white women. It's definitely not made up.

However, comparing racism and sexism as to which one is worse is a stinker of an argument, like if you think being drowned is a worse way to die than being burned to death. Depends on the person being asked perhaps but they both pretty much suck. They are historical contexts where the privilege of whiteness counted a lot. Being a memsahib comes to mind. That's not universal, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 02/21/2008

Her point is that, in every culture, the woman is subjugated to the man of that culture. So a more appropriate question is whether I would prefer to be a white woman or a white man, a black woman or a black man, etc.
And I don't know if that proves anything. I still want to be a woman, because that's who I am.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 02/21/2008

If women are the nigg**s of the world what does say about nigg**s...­..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 02/21/2008

A lot of truth in this article, but again I take umbrage at yet another woman in the media crying foul over the media. Just take a look at McCain today. And Obama last week. There is no free rides in today's fragmented and gotcha media. Get over it already Hillary & co.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 02/21/2008
- AgathaX I'm a Fan of AgathaX 13 fans permalink
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How many of us as women have tried to get our husband's job by selling experience we got by virtue of being married to him? The sole project of substance that Hillary took on while in the White House with her husband was the health care fiasco. Nor has she done anything policy-wise since to redeem herself. If anything her run for president has confirmed that she learned little from that experience. No one is out there arguing that her campaign has been well run. To the extent that she has support it is from people who are willing to overlook her campaign and a lot of other stuff as well.

I never really cared what gender our president is. Professional women see each other in all sorts of professions now. Since Hillary's failure, however, I do have an interest in seeing a woman become president. I want someone to show her how its done. I want someone who runs a gender neutral campaign, even as Obama has run a race-neutral campaign. If a woman, whose experience is not linked to her role as spouse, can run a common-sense campaign, in as surefooted a manner as Obama has, she will win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 02/21/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Well-said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/21/2008

Agreed. ANd I think, AgathaX you've shown why Obama is so popular right now. It would have been so easy for Barack to fall back on race, talking about how hard it is as a Black man to run a campaign in a racist country or something else as equally off-putting. People don't have to be reminded that our country has been racist or sexist or just wrong. Especially right now. We are all painfully aware of our country's weaknesses (ahem IRAQ ahem).

Barack argues for us to work on these problems, not wallow in them as some of Hillary's advocates seem to desire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 02/21/2008
- jagoneely I'm a Fan of jagoneely 11 fans permalink
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I have no idea where some people get their information. Sexism is alive and well, and it my not be the only reason but it's definately a big one. I'm wondering about the "owed" nomination theory. I never felt that vibe from Hillary. Besides, aren't the candidates supposed to feel they are the right candidate? Why the @#$%@ else would anyone put themselves through the politics meat grinder this way? It's the same old story: You like her or you don't. There are double-standards all over the place in this election. And it's obvious that she's been exposed to insulting playground slings way more than Obama. I think the media can get away with almost anything in regards to Hillary. Obama's race certainly protects him to a degree. Sexism is okay, but racism is not. Neither should be, but sexism is still on the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 02/21/2008
- passport I'm a Fan of passport 2 fans permalink

Hillary continues to say " when I'm President " instead of "if"
There is also the interview where she states it will all be over by Feb. 5th.
As far as Obamas race protecting him, I guess that earliest ever Secret Service protection isn't really necessary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 02/21/2008

It protects him from somewhat civilized pundits. Homicidal maniacs are a different story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 02/21/2008

I agree with most of Dee Dee's points. I do think the sexist language has been codified, allowing for more sensitivity to sexism, and I think many in the media and supporters have gotten really close to the line and some times leaped past it.

But the Clinton campaign has run the most pitiful campaign I could have imagined. They had name recognition, cred with run of the mill dems (the base), gender advantages in a party where women are the majority. Yet, they ran a campaign that played to their base, something they already had, instead of appealing to independents, disenfranchised dems, etc. I'll never understand.

Lastly, the campaign has been inefficient with cash, has a poor ground game, and has not run a 50-state strategy. What were they thinking?

Lastly, her accepting the experience mantel was beyond stupid. People in America use the word political as a synonomous term for sleezy. Playing the experience card reenforces the weaknesses of Hillary. Many did not think she was/is genuine. When you play the experience card, you are labeling the candidate the consummate politician. If she is the politician, then she is the paradigm of sleezy. The fact that she accepts lobbyist money didn't help either. Basically, they mistook the sentiment of the country, and they squared themselves against it. Dumb move, and one that did not have to be that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 02/21/2008

correction...sexist language has NOT been codified, which in turn allows for a greater sensitivity to sexism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 02/21/2008
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Clinton is totally getting an unfair whacking by the press, and Americans generally. I supported Ewards, and currently support Obama - I do NOT want another dynasty, and I remember what billy did to welfare and other sell outs during the 90's.
With that said, this country is still much more sexist than it is racist. Both are alive and well, but sexism is more open socially and in the media. Hillary is really getting the short end of the stick as a result.
As far as the right-wing is concerned, her femininity is all the more reason to go all out attacking her. Their ridicule of her for being masculine is specifically because she dares to chase power as a woman. Their attempts to melt her into Bill (hence the term "Billary") conveys that either she is beholden to him, and he, as man, really has the power, or that he is an extension of her by virtue of her manliness being so overpowering that she has emasculated him, and taken the place of the man. (Which is reason for the affiar, right?) Either way, the drool sexism like a starved dog offered red meat.
Should Obama get the nomination, they will have to be much more careful as to how they attack on race - and they will. Watch them use veiled questions like, "Can I criticize Obama's position on Affirmative Action (or the economy, or the war) without being a called a racist?" They will make race an issue by repeating and repeating variants of the argument that debating actual issues >could< make race an issue, and thus they get their race-based campaign.
The point is, with a woman, they can be much more direct, and have been. Race will require them to be much mor indirect. (But the buggers will do it anyway, regardless of how transparent it will appear to thinking people. Look out for "Hussein" too.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/21/2008
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PLEASE PARDON THAT POST!
Wrong button = no preview = posted rough draft = LOTS of annoying typos!
SO SORRY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 02/21/2008
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"This country is much more sexist than it is racist."

I'm not questioning your opinion, but does the current senate make-up support that opinion?
Sixteen women senators to one black senator brings to mind the horrific ad used to stop Harold Ford in the midterm election of 2006.
I don't recall any "sexist" ads running, at leaat not any that caught the attention of the media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 02/21/2008

You must have flunked 3rd grade arithmetic. Female population of the U.S. is 53%. The Afro-American population is 12%. Seems to me the Blacks are way ahead of the women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 02/21/2008
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