"When This Is All Over, I'm Really Looking Forward To Seeing You"

New York Times   |  PATRICK HEALY   |   February 23, 2008 04:28 PM


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To her longtime friends, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sounds unusually philosophical on the phone these days. She rarely uses phrases like "when I'm president" anymore. Somber at times, determined at others, she talks to aides and confidants about the importance of focusing on a good day's work. No drapes are being measured in her mind's eye, they say.

And Mrs. Clinton has begun thanking some of her major supporters for helping her run for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"When this is all over, I'm really looking forward to seeing you," she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.

Mrs. Clinton has not given up, in her head or her heart, her quest to return to the White House, advisers say. But as resolute as she is, she no longer exudes the supreme confidence that was her trademark before the first defeat, in Iowa in January. And then there were more humbling blows, aides say: replacing her campaign manager on Feb. 10, then losing the Wisconsin primary and her hold on the women's vote there last Tuesday.

If she is not temperamentally suited to reckon with the possibility of losing quite yet, advisers say, she is also a cold, hard realist about politics -- at some point, she is known to say, someone will win and someone will not.

"She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear," said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. "When she's on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, 'I don't want to hear it; I don't need to hear it.' I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

"That said, she knows that there will be an end," Ms. Hope said. "She is a very smart woman."

Over take-out meals and late-night drinks, some regrets and recriminations have set in, and top aides have begun to face up to the campaign's possible end after the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4. Engaging in hindsight, several advisers have now concluded that they were not smart to use former President Bill Clinton as much as they did, that "his presence, aura and legacy caused national fatigue with the Clintons," in the words of one senior adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity to assess the campaign candidly.

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- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

No kidding. More Clintons. More scandals. We have too many problems to deal with. Who needs more Clinton drama. Clinton cheating. It's 4 more years of the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 02/23/2008
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Her campaign was and is the worst since the dismal failure of Mary Beth Cahill and the idiots who ran Kerry's campaign. Mark Penn not only plans like an idiot, he LOOKS like one. Any fool could have seen how featuring Bubba would make it look for his wife. And, as of today, they haven't learned a THING! Morons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 02/23/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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you know, I think it was a no-win situation for him. Damned if he spoke, damned if he didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 02/23/2008
- raker I'm a Fan of raker 84 fans permalink

The problem isn't Bill. The problem is Democratic strategists. They stink. They've always stunk. They couldn't even strategize against Bush. Candidates always say and do the exact opposite of what appeals to voters. Hillary's rhetoric in this election is hopelessly wrong-footed. Obama's beating her by offering nothing, and nothing beats ten steps backward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 02/23/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

We have seen enough of the Clintons. They are corrupt, divisive and arrogant. They think they are better than everyone else and they are entitled to the WH, they are above the law and could care less who they sell acess to. For them, america and the WH are for sale to the highest bidder. Send them back to arkansas. Run them out of Chappaqua.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 02/23/2008
- factotem I'm a Fan of factotem 132 fans permalink
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Abso-****in-lutely. Bill became a needy, pestering gadfly and overshadowed her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 02/23/2008
- PODdem I'm a Fan of PODdem 2 fans permalink

This is total bullshit Bill Clinton was the best President in my life time and yes I don't think it would be so bad to have him in the whitehouse again. Think of him like a bonus advisor. The Clinton's are not the enemy. And I am not alone thinking this either millions of other Dem's feel the same way. The ones slamming them are the traitors to the party. Bunch of ingrates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 02/23/2008
- Homa I'm a Fan of Homa permalink

Well, thank god for our CONSTITUTION which prevents this type of [third term] Dictatorial nepotism of keeping it all in the family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 02/23/2008
- PODdem I'm a Fan of PODdem 2 fans permalink

You are a jackass

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 02/23/2008
- TomSutpen I'm a Fan of TomSutpen 3 fans permalink

You must have admired Reagan and Bush, then, because his policies were identical to theirs in all but form.

I think Democrats, with some justice, are tired of trading principle for short-term political victory. There's no point in any election if the candidates are no better and no different than the opposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 02/23/2008
- indc I'm a Fan of indc 17 fans permalink

Bill's behavior gave us Bush... take a comprehensive view of his impact..no­t to mention NAFTA etc... he had 3 exceptional things handed to him, the end of the cold war, the coming of age of the pc, and the internet revolution­...now he did screw this up and did some good things, but all in all we would have been better off without him, and we certainly will be better off without her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/23/2008

Bill will be more of a boner adviser. Just think of the mischief he will do. But then again, on Day 1, he might be able to lend Hillary some of the commander in chief know-how she lacks entirely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 02/23/2008
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