"When This Is All Over, I'm Really Looking Forward To Seeing You"

New York Times   |  PATRICK HEALY   |   February 23, 2008 04:28 PM


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To her longtime friends, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sounds unusually philosophical on the phone these days. She rarely uses phrases like "when I'm president" anymore. Somber at times, determined at others, she talks to aides and confidants about the importance of focusing on a good day's work. No drapes are being measured in her mind's eye, they say.

And Mrs. Clinton has begun thanking some of her major supporters for helping her run for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"When this is all over, I'm really looking forward to seeing you," she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.

Mrs. Clinton has not given up, in her head or her heart, her quest to return to the White House, advisers say. But as resolute as she is, she no longer exudes the supreme confidence that was her trademark before the first defeat, in Iowa in January. And then there were more humbling blows, aides say: replacing her campaign manager on Feb. 10, then losing the Wisconsin primary and her hold on the women's vote there last Tuesday.

If she is not temperamentally suited to reckon with the possibility of losing quite yet, advisers say, she is also a cold, hard realist about politics -- at some point, she is known to say, someone will win and someone will not.

"She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear," said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. "When she's on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, 'I don't want to hear it; I don't need to hear it.' I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

"That said, she knows that there will be an end," Ms. Hope said. "She is a very smart woman."

Over take-out meals and late-night drinks, some regrets and recriminations have set in, and top aides have begun to face up to the campaign's possible end after the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4. Engaging in hindsight, several advisers have now concluded that they were not smart to use former President Bill Clinton as much as they did, that "his presence, aura and legacy caused national fatigue with the Clintons," in the words of one senior adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity to assess the campaign candidly.

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- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Clinton has gone from the 'I really care about what's happening to this country,' (then tears) to 'Whatever happens, we'll be fine,' (then a warm clasp of Obama's hand) to this: 'Meet me in Ohio and we'll have a debate about your tactics and behavior in this campaign!' (with a snarl). I love the last one; she sounds like a shrewish mom talking to her fifteen year old wayward son. How long must we put up with HER tactics, that are forever changing, and HER behavior, which is that of a bad loser!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 02/24/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 218 fans permalink
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Yesterday, Clinton reminded me of my 4th grade teacher...­the one with the name that filled even kindergarteners with fear and dread at the prospect of eventually being in her room.

That shrew (Miss B.) was always telling kids that they ought to be ashamed of themselves for stuff that they hadn't even done or for trivial stuff that oughtn't to have mattered in the grand scheme of 4th grade. When I listened to HC yesterday, I had a flashback to the way Miss B. pilloried a kid who couldn't successfully sound out the name, "Magellan.­"

HC ought to be VERY careful about behaving in a way that merely reinforces a bad perception that people already have of her...the one that she is cold and crabby. People who didn't believe it before will be taking another look and another listen, and it couldn't be good for her chances to win the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 02/24/2008
- vsign I'm a Fan of vsign 33 fans permalink

So many voters are getting left out - I think we need a new Voting Rights Act.

Obama is playing poker. He is pretending to have a winning hand when he doesn't. He can only bluff so long.

This is our country. We are patriotic for our country. This is not a game.

Obama won't get his hands dirty. Hillary has and will. Actions speak louder than words.

We are the ones who really need Hillary.

This year - The Best Man For The Job Is The Woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 02/24/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 122 fans permalink
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Would Hillary's campaign against Gramps McLobby be as inept as her campaign has been so far?

Frank Rich compares her campaign to Bush's quagmire fiasco.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 02/24/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 122 fans permalink
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Ralph Nader going on MTP this morning.

He's so 20th century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 02/24/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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The last person who should be President of the US is the one that believes they should be.

That rules them all out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 AM on 02/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 63 fans permalink
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Too clever by half, my dear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 02/24/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 218 fans permalink
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Not quite all...they could always bring back Walter Mondale. I lived in MN during his rise to VP. Up to that point he never aggressively sought higher offices, just managed to get appointed to them when somebody else fizzled out. I can't remember the exact details, but he was a fabulous attorney general...­got a law passed that those companies and charities who send free crap, then demand payment were actually sending an unsolicited FREE gift that people could choose to pay for OR NOT.

When he ran for president, he was always being accused of being insufficiently "hungry."

It is too bad...it would have been a great experiment in democracy to have a president who wasn't power-mad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/24/2008
- Rubiconski I'm a Fan of Rubiconski 30 fans permalink
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Hey Queen NAFTA, the carpetbagger of NY, the only outrage I have is trying to figure out while your still in the race?!?!

The American people are tired of flip-flopping, poll-hopping drones. You should fire your legion of consultants. I'd love to hear just one original idea from you, Queen NAFTA. Personally, I don't think you are capable of that, which is why we just want you to go away.

I predict another temper tantrum and meltdown with cry on command...­. O it's so hard to run for President when I'm a vapid zombie and my legions of high paid consultants are pulling all the wrong strings. You SHOULD sue the people you hired to coach you on executive presence because listening to you is nauseating - not something the country needs as we try to repair our reputation.

Maybe you can move to China and set up a factory and sell some cheap Hillary line of clothing at you buddy, Sam Walton's humble little Arkansas store.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 02/24/2008
- kennedy I'm a Fan of kennedy 19 fans permalink

Lying about Senator Clinton is never, ever going to put your guy into the WH.
And Hillary and her supporters are going no where. And you know where you can put you lies and hate.

And where is your hate for Mrs. Obama? She sat on the board for a company that supplied Walmart. And she made a he!! of allot of money doing so. And she was making all that money even after her husband started his run for president. And didn't leave until reporters started asking her about it.

So give me a break you two faced person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 02/24/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

RUbinconski
She is still in the race, because all of the states haven't voted and your guy hasn't reached the delegate number yet.

If Barack is so great, he will sweep Texas, Ohio, and Penn, and Hillary won't win any of them, right?
We'll see. Then he will be entitled to the nomination, but not before.

This is still a democracy, and everyone should have a chance to vote, even if the supporters of GWB and Obama, haven't seemed to grasp that basic concept.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 02/24/2008
- Ronp I'm a Fan of Ronp 6 fans permalink
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IMHO, this has nothing to do with who has the best plans (healthcare, economic, etc.) nor who has the most experience (that's relative anyhow). It comes down to after all this pandering, bickering and posturing a very simple concept. No matter what happens, there will be change on August 28 and November 4 of historical proportions unlike anything ever seen since the founding fathers embarked on this 232 year experiment. Regardless of the Election Day outcome, the Democratic Party will experience a shake-up unlike anything else seen in American politics since the anti-slavery expansion activists established the Republican party in 1854. If the movers and shakers in the Democratic Party are really concerned with its survival and prevalence, what it continues to stand for and the stability of this Democratic Republic at a pivotal moment in world history, then it should already be obvious that Barack Obama is the inevitable and only choice for the 2008 Democratic Primary presidental nomination.

There are three most likely possibilities one of which will play out on 20-Jan-2009 as a result of the 04-Nov-2008 election.

(1). Hillary Clinton becomes the forty fourth president of the United States as a consequence of just enough people in this country being fed up with George W. Bush, the policies of the Republican Party and the strangling reach of an ever widening economic recession. About 50% of eligible voters will have participated in the 04-Nov-2008 election. The Democratic party will be in the midst of an unsalvageable downward spiral and implosion due to the loss of the youth vote and thus, the party's contribution to the worst levels of voter apathy and loss of faith in the government ever seen before, although the party leadership will be in a state of euphoric denial. Politics will go on as usual - The Republican Party will will circle the wagons and continue to block and resist any Clinton administration initiatives, thus 45-60 million people will continue to go without healthcare, immigration reform will remain unchanged, the increasing grip of the recession will increase the rhetoric of hate (rich against poor, black against white, Christian against Christian, old immigrant against new immigrant, patriot against patriot) and the process of bringing the solders home and the ensuing geo-political chaos will severely weaken the United States negotiating position at the global table, thus increasing global instability.

(2). John McCain becomes the forty fourth president of the United States and the Republicans will have won a third term in the White House. The democratic party will have self-destructed and less than 50% of eligible voters will have participated in the 04-Nov-2008 election. The accelerated decline of the US empire will suddenly be apparent to the whole world and the simultaneous increased instability of this planet Earth. America will begin year six of the hundred year war in Iraq, taking $8B+/month from the middle and lower class and increasing American arrogance will be met by much more hard-line and aggressive stances from a resurgent oil rich Russia and the economic demand driven engines of China and India. The US will no longer be looked at as the first choice for global leadership direction. The bickering and stalled initiatives in the United Nations, particularly the politics of the security council will become very much like that of the US Congress. Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups around the globe will enter a new and different era of recruitment. The politics of fear will continue to prevail and peel away our civil liberties.

(3). Barack Obama becomes the forty fourth president of the United States. The Democratic and Republican parties enter a period of reformation shaking up their leaderships, re-defining themselves and America both domestically and globally. More than 60% of eligible voters will have participated in the 04-Nov-2008 election. Young people will have been engaged with the brilliant light of hope, which will continue it's infectious spread around the globe offering an opportunity for justice and peace. "We" has once again been put back into "the people." Transparency, truthfulness and the "audacity of hope" will engage the new electorate to hold public officials accountable in a completely new and different way. American will once again be looked to by the rest of the world for leadership. On the morning of 05-Nov-2008 older citizens all over this country will be visibly weeping and sobing in the private and public from the onset realization that the hopes, aspirations, prayers and sacrifices of theirs and their ancestors have been answered. One small step for America, one giant step for the planet Earth.

What's most difficult to predict is how young people will react to possibilities (1) or (2). Whether they wake up and realize the predicament of survival thrust upon them (possibly resulting in a 60's and 70's type of rebellion movement) or they go back to sleep ushering in another era of disfranchisement and 90's type of generation-X where everyone is out for themselves, there will be profound consequences for the baby boomer generation.

Hopefully the current leadership in the parties realize their fate and that the fate of the rest of the baby boomer generation is totally in their hands. If they (the party leadership) really believe in the American dream, the hope, opportunity, equality, prosperity and peace of a democratic society, then you need be no more than an ordinary person to see that the path there at this point in time can only be made via possibility (3). If on the other hand, they are only interested in self-aggra­ndizement, power and control, they will obviously attempt to maintain their leadership positions in the party. Regardless of the election outcome though, the Democratic Party will radically change and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that.

On a final note, it appears pretty evident that there's be a spiritual aspect to all of this at this point in time. Look around you and then look around the world. Chaos and belligerent escalation everywhere. It's obviously apparent that we're at a critical precipice or juncture and the decision of which path to take forward will determine the fate of humankind. It's as if we're being presented with choices and the opportunity to do the right thing by a higher power. Many of the signs of choice and intersection are there - An global and bi-racial descendant of slavery named Obama who dares you to hope, trust and test your faith, a woman and wife of a former president representing continuation of the establishment that talks past each other and a WAR hero in a world increasingly paralyzed from fear symbolized by a man named Osama (who also rebelled against the establishment though helping bring the world to the brink of destruction).

Close your eyes, say a little prayer for guidance and reflection - then go out and represent your hope, trust and faith through your vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 02/24/2008
- degjack I'm a Fan of degjack 8 fans permalink

I read and hear all the harsh and vitriolic statements about Hillary Clinton in the mainstream media and in these blogs, this one in particular, on all kinds of things: her motivations, her tactics, the contents of her heart, her pants suits, her voice, her forgiving Bill's transgressions, her "unattractive" child ... things significant and things ridiculously assinine & stupid -- yet no one can deny that she is a smart, insightful, hard working and capable public servant. In other words, the very things men are routinely rewarded for are in her case cause for criticism and used to beat her to a pulp. That should raise alarm in this country (and does not)--that we continue to denigrate dogged determination and smarts and elevate bravado and imagery. Bill obliquely referred to that and was nearly hanged for it. America will slaughter the Clintons politically and deny the country and the presumed president (Obama) a valuable political ally in the years ahead when his luster starts to dim as his opposition rises in the rough social & political tumble of American life. When it's revealed that he cannot turn water to wine and needs political experience, contacts, acumen and ability to accomplish his aims, it may be a good idea to have the Clintons on hand and NOT so disaffected they no longer want to serve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 02/24/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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There are three types of poster

1] Democratis Party supporters who certainly have a preferred candidate but would vote for either in the end.

2] There are liberals who will vote for the least damaging candidate in the end [my case].

3] There are trolls and/or fanatics [they amount to the same thing in the end] who are just out to spew garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 02/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 63 fans permalink
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The least damaging? What does that mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 02/24/2008
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Excellent.­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 02/24/2008
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true!

trolls be damned. they contribute nothing of substance to the debate, and serve merely to pollute the discourse.

no serious democrat/l­iberal/pro­gressive would ever remotely consider not voting or - worse yet - voting for mccain.

it's one thing to feel passionate about your candidate of choice, but the truly honest and enlightened individual also fully understands that their candidate represents the means to an end - securing the white-house for the democratic party so that we can begin rebuilding this party.

to the true democrats/­liberals/p­rogressive­s on this and other sites, i know you will do the right thing no matter who the democratic nominee is.

to the trolls and other filth contaminating this and other sites, i say, SUCK IT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 02/24/2008
- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
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And I don't fit into either of three camps. I am voting Obama in the general if he wins. Hillary was my last choice amongst Democrats. Reasonable progressives can find the idea of another Clinton in the White House repugnant. Just because the last seven years were so bad, something that we have never seen before, does not mean that the negative trends that began under Reagan and Bush did not continue under Clinton. Loss of manufacturing base, horrid trade policy with the Chinese, escalation of the drug war, consolidation of executive powers, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 02/24/2008

wow, there are some supreme weirdos here. i'd be damned if what some posters that have a used laptop from rent-a-center or aarons say, are going to make me change who i am voting for.

its like the clinton supporters get an email from her campaign, and they all come to the huffpo, or politico, or anywhere else just to spew hate.

i have yet to see anyone post hillary's qualifications to be the president. none at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 02/24/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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I don't know what website you are reading, one thing for sure it isn't this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 02/24/2008
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Makes me wonder who's got the rent-a-center laptop...:­)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 02/24/2008
- kennedy I'm a Fan of kennedy 19 fans permalink

TargetPraticing

( I have yet to see anyone post hillary's qualifications to be the president. none at all. )

Well I can tell you why. Your to much of a dim wit to see what has been in front of your eyes for months now. Having no brain can do that to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 02/24/2008

oh, one of the weirdos i see. or perhaps you are THE william kennedy that she got a job in th JD huh? so, your unemployment check must have been nice after resigning with scandal. the problem is with people like you, you want to call names and make it some sort of joke. now the weirdo i was referring to was some cowboy nut, but since you responded with kind words, you my boy are the beneficiary of my first reply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 02/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 63 fans permalink
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Ooh, that was some kind of sophisticated argument, huh? No brain. Reminds me of that other guy's argument. No qualifications.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 02/24/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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OT but spring is coming.
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Whether the claim is true or not, the hard political reality is that Mulk and his hardline religious party are now out of power. In the 2002 election, he and scores of other ultra-conservative clerics swept into government in Pakistan's turbulent North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) on a tide of anti-Americanism and resurgent religious enthusiasm, vowing to impose Islamic law. But in last week's national and provincial polls, voters backed secular and liberal candidates and evicted the ruling alliance of religious parties.

The landslide triggered what some are now calling the 'Peshawar Spring'. The term may be a little exaggerated, but, for a troubled town pivotal to the 'war on terror', the normally dour and dusty provincial capital of NWFP certainly wears an unusually cheerful face this weekend. 'You can see it in the way people are walking and talking, even smiling,' said Iqbal Khattak, the editor of a local newspaper. Outside his office, unseasonable warm weather has tricked fruit trees into blossoming early. 'We are having two early springs here: one is the climate, the other the politics.'

In the bazaars and on the streets, change is already visible - and audible. Though the Islamic law bill that the hardliners passed in the provincial parliament was blocked at national level, the clerics were able to ban music in public places or on public transport. Now the sounds of local Pashtun folk music and Punjabi Bhangra are back - first in the street celebrations every evening last week, and then as the province's thousands of bus drivers once again slipped a cassette or CD into the stereos of their overloaded and over-decorated vehicles. 'Now I have music, I love my job again,' said Ashraf Mohmandi, one of the local drivers. 'I can breathe once more.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/24/pakistan

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Great news, may it last and heal the wounds.

To my friends over there, all my love.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 02/24/2008
- rivrgrrl I'm a Fan of rivrgrrl 123 fans permalink
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Morning, Femi.

Good article, thanks for the link.

"never doubt that a small group of committed individuals can change the world. Indeed, it is all that ever has."
Margaret Mead

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 02/24/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Morning, well a vast majority got fed up of a few.

Lets hope the west keeps it's nose out of Pakistan.

Bye Bye Mushy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 02/24/2008

You know, dangerous radicals like this are the reason the government needs unlimited power to spy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfI9B8e9tW4&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 02/24/2008
- rivrgrrl I'm a Fan of rivrgrrl 123 fans permalink
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A classic, GM. And such a true and timeless message. Maybe some day mankind will "get it" and that video will be a reminder of how things used to be.

And now for something completely different:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3p_Rf0AY6E
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;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 02/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 63 fans permalink
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You guys think you're so smart with your broadband connections. I'm jealous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 02/24/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Great article by David Ignatius in the Washington Post. Old cold war experience need not apply for our current foreign policy challenges. McCrazy is an old cold war warrior who thinks that just bombing nations is what foreign policy means.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202175.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 02/24/2008

I'M SO TIRED OF THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN I COULD SCREAM!!!

How can she run a month-long smear campaign against Barack Obama, only to appear on Thursday's debate and ACT like she's running a clean, fair race? And, after we halfway BELIEVE her, she comes out today and continues her frivolous, dirty attacks!? This isn't Presidential, this is a PERSONAL VENDETTA from a losing campaign!! She's clawing and scratching because she now realizes her "inevitable" campaign was derailed by a truly genuine, inspiring leader.

SHE'S NOTHING BUT A HYPOCRITE!! I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 02/24/2008
- LeoMarvin I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin 35 fans permalink
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Relax. It's politics. I'm sure Barack doesn't take it personally. Neither should we.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 02/24/2008

I am sure he DOES take it personally. 'Shame on you Barack!' is personal and I can see him jettisoning any jobs he may have thought she could do in the presidency.

After her 'good try' ending to the debate (which got a standing ovation but, especially in retrospect, and for me was ONLY a good try), and coupled with 'Shame on you, Barack!', she seems to be out of control.

If she could just accept she has lost, she just might have a chance to win. Otherwise, no. After the public shaming, no. actually.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 02/24/2008
- Gilda I'm a Fan of Gilda 7 fans permalink
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Personal vendettas are the trademark of the
Clintons. Although if you can write them a big fat check, you are in for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 02/24/2008

WE MUST NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT HILLARY IS THE REPUBLICANS' DREAM CANDIDATE AND THEIR ONLY HOPE OF RETAINING THE WHITE HOUSE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 02/24/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 63 fans permalink
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Stop worrying, Barack's going to win handily. I just hope she doesn't drop out. Going through a campaign in all the late-voting states is only going to give him a big jump on the general. He's organized brilliantly wherever he's campaigned, which is why he keeps winning. We should let him finish overhauling the machinery, while he's at it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 02/24/2008
- oncethere I'm a Fan of oncethere 18 fans permalink

Keep in Mind this: The reason the Reublicans hate Hillary is that she is so much like them, in her tactics and in her quest for power. Although, I don't think she would, like them, try to steal an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 02/24/2008
- Tankan I'm a Fan of Tankan 3 fans permalink

Not all Republicons share the same dream!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/817708/posts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 02/24/2008
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 29 fans permalink
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Well she does she believe she is ENTITLED to her way being the right way so bring it on. She'll have only herself to blame after she blows another chance, her patience is running thin, she's can't help herself, it ought to be HILARRYious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 02/24/2008
- Coyote2 I'm a Fan of Coyote2 85 fans permalink
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Lesson two.

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What is sugar? Stored sunlight.

What is vegetable oil? Stored sunlight.

What is crude oil? Stored sunlight.

Where did crude come from? From millions of years worth of combining Sunlight with Carbon Dioxide and burying it. E.g.: storing it. From millions of years worth of combining Sunlight with Carbon Dioxide

(millions of years) x (100watts per sq foot Sunlight + Carbon Dioxide) = crude

OK, so crude is millions of years worth of Sunlight and Carbon Dioxide.

Vast quantities of stored-sun-energy and Carbon Dioxide.

Vast quantities of Carbon Dioxide.

Vast quantities of stored-sun-energy

So what are we doing by consuming crude oil?

Releasing VAST quantities of Carbon Dioxide.

Releasing VAST quantities of stored-sun-energy and Carbon Dioxide.

Into the present biosphere.

consuming crude = (millions of years) x (100watts per sq foot Sunlight + Carbon Dioxide)

It's a time machine, really.

We are moving VAST quantities of stored-sun-energy and Carbon Dioxide from the distant past into our present and future.

It's a VAST heat pump.

It's a VAST heat pump time machine.

It's a VAST CO2 pump time machine.

There are some among us that argue that this WILL NOT AFFECT US ???

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OK, that was lesson two.

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