"When This Is All Over, I'm Really Looking Forward To Seeing You"

New York Times   |  PATRICK HEALY   |   February 23, 2008 04:28 PM


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To her longtime friends, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sounds unusually philosophical on the phone these days. She rarely uses phrases like "when I'm president" anymore. Somber at times, determined at others, she talks to aides and confidants about the importance of focusing on a good day's work. No drapes are being measured in her mind's eye, they say.

And Mrs. Clinton has begun thanking some of her major supporters for helping her run for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"When this is all over, I'm really looking forward to seeing you," she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.

Mrs. Clinton has not given up, in her head or her heart, her quest to return to the White House, advisers say. But as resolute as she is, she no longer exudes the supreme confidence that was her trademark before the first defeat, in Iowa in January. And then there were more humbling blows, aides say: replacing her campaign manager on Feb. 10, then losing the Wisconsin primary and her hold on the women's vote there last Tuesday.

If she is not temperamentally suited to reckon with the possibility of losing quite yet, advisers say, she is also a cold, hard realist about politics -- at some point, she is known to say, someone will win and someone will not.

"She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear," said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. "When she's on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, 'I don't want to hear it; I don't need to hear it.' I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

"That said, she knows that there will be an end," Ms. Hope said. "She is a very smart woman."

Over take-out meals and late-night drinks, some regrets and recriminations have set in, and top aides have begun to face up to the campaign's possible end after the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4. Engaging in hindsight, several advisers have now concluded that they were not smart to use former President Bill Clinton as much as they did, that "his presence, aura and legacy caused national fatigue with the Clintons," in the words of one senior adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity to assess the campaign candidly.

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Wow...she is really mad!!! When you are getting embarassed in front of the entire world it's understandable though. Does she not realize that this makes her look 100 times worse? She sounds like an angry bitter old woman. Plus is she really trying to attack Obama for dirty politics? Did she fall and bump her head during South Carolina and Wisconsin? She is the epitome of dirty misleading politics and looks like a complete idiot even attempting to bring this up.

MY HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 02/24/2008

It is really sad. She is embarrassing herself in front of the world. I cringed this afternoon when she came out waving the Obama flier. It was a defining moment for her. I actually gave Hillary quite a long period of time in which to convince me to vote for her, and what I got in return was a steady downhill ride. The most astounding thing to me is that she is really not as smart as I thought she was. That has become increasingly clear. How could a rational, competent person put herself in the hands of such charlatans as Wolfson and Penn? SHE is the one who is supposed to be in charge. Is she really so unsure of herself that she must change personas with each passing day?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 02/24/2008
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I don't think she does recognize how destructive to her campaign it is. She doesn't know what to do. She's flailing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 02/24/2008
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A L L – E N E R G Y – C O M E S – F R O M – T H E – S U N

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( Climate change explained as a dog eat dog overview for capitalists. A simple, yet profound explanation. )

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This very slow, please be patient: Where does food come from?

Food is energy.

1-- Where does energy on earth come from? ALL energy on this planet comes from the sun. (most sources of energy can ultimately be traced to the sun/stars )

2-- How does this energy enter our biosphere? How do we transfer sun energy into biosphere energy?
Green living matter – plants; chlorophyll.

3-- How does this happen? Plants take Sunlight and Carbon Dioxide and make sugar. Sugar, alcohol, oil all being chains of carbon originally assembled by plants using Chlorophyll.

Conclusion:

Plants turn sunlight into food, or energy accessible to our biosphere. THIS IS THE SOLE SOURCE OF FOOD (stored energy) ON THIS PLANET.

How is this energy distributed?
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1-- The bugs eat plants to get energy. They use some of that energy contained in the plant matter for life, and the rest they poop out.

2-- Beetles eat that poop and gain some stored-sun-energy as necessary for life and poop the rest out.

3-- Earthworms eat that poop and gain some stored-sun-energy as necessary for life and poop the rest out.

Etc., etc., down the food chain. Let's move up the chain instead:

1-- The fish eats the worm and gains some stored-sun-energy as necessary for life and poop the rest out.

2-- The human eats the fish and gains some stored-sun-energy as necessary for life and poop the rest out.

Conclusion: in our biosphere.­..........­..........­.
A L L – E N E R G Y – C O M E S – F R O M – T H E – S U N .

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OK, that was lesson one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 02/24/2008
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Nothing worse than an weekend scientist. Nuclear energy does not come from the sun. France for God's sakes gets 80% of it's electricity from clean nuclear power. Fissionable material is made from Super Nova's meaning we are all made of ancient massive stars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 02/24/2008
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excellent! Thank you.

I did refer to "our biosphere."

But it could also be argued that the uranium on this planet, like all mater in our solar system is merely the leftovers from the creation of our sun.

Thus, that energy comes indirectly from the sun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 02/24/2008
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"Nothing worse than an weekend scientist."

Nothing worse than those who have eyes and will not see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 02/24/2008
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Johnny Cash: " Hurt"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 02/24/2008
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Grateful Dead "Throwing Stones" Ever heard it Mutt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 02/24/2008
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Good song....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 02/24/2008
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The truth is I always hated the dead; wasn't what we call rock and roll.

:|

Just checked my 100GB of MP3 and found only 3 dead songs; none are your above mention. sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 02/24/2008
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GOB: " Oh! Ellen"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 02/24/2008
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“If God does not know the outcome of his actions
and can do something with harmful repercussions
therefore he cannot be the Christian God” (or some other conclusion).

Posted by: swooge on February 11, 2006 at 12:31pm

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Coyote does not know the outcome of his/her actions and frequently gets in trouble.

Coyote created humanity out of her body (she is male and female) by combining earth genetics with hers; and was not aware of the harmful repercussions of her sin.

The gods tried to destroy Coyote's creation, but she saved some of us.

Coyote is enslaved on this planet perhaps charged with redeeming her creation

Coyote may indeed be the Christian God; she loves playing tricks (she has her own agenda).

When those that hold the intellectual rights to this place return Coyote will lead us in battle against them. No wait. Maybe I got that mixed up with something else.............. ha ha

The Raelians believe that, if we don't fry ourselves first, and that if we create peace B4 2012 (or 2030), that when the Old Creators return they will welcome us as brothers. Apparently there has been political change among the gods and they now are willing to accept Coyote's experiment. The Raelians are preparing to welcome our Lords, masters and owners.

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.................. C O Y O T E – I S – C O M I N G ..........­..........­..

Year of the dog, coyotes and wolves, and the Bushcabal wants to play ball with the gods!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 02/24/2008
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like a 747; right over their heads

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 02/24/2008
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I think that Hillary would have made a good president, but I also think Obama will too.

Right now it seems just a little bit too easy. Because I look at those in power now, and don't believe for a second that they will go quietly..

The don't like McCain and they sure as hell don't like Obama or Clinton.

So what are they going to do to save their precious little conservative nirvana?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 02/24/2008
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Pray for the Rapture maybe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 02/24/2008

That's pretty much the only option they have left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 02/24/2008

That's my biggest worry, too, LordMoon...that they won't go quietly. In fact, we can probably count on it. Scary, isn't it?

All I know is that when the time comes, we are going to need someone very smart and very strong and very calm...like Obama is. That's our best hope. There are some rough times ahead, I'm afraid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 02/24/2008
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"There are some rough times ahead"

Very good! And we will need someone willing to sacrifice as scapegoat, as no matter what solutions are applied, Climate Change and Energy Scarcity continue to apply destruction to our economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 02/24/2008

It's going to be a long, hard fight, to be sure. You know the Republicans are going to bring the slime with both barrels, no matter who our nom is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 02/24/2008
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obama speaky english bush not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 02/24/2008
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Well, on the note that "stupid or lying sack of shit" is defensible and adult argument, I'll ring off and watch a movie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 02/24/2008
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night! just ignore it, it's only "words" after all, you know how those words don't mean anything to Hillary or her supporters...

anyway here's thalia for your viewing pleasure -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LZICCLcdcg&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 02/24/2008
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The circularity of the argument is tiring.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 02/24/2008

MEMO TO BILL CLINTON

SUBJECT: MEANING OF THE WORD "IS"

BILL, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE HAD SOME TROUBLE IN THE PAST AGREEING TO A COMMON DEFINITION OF THE WORD "IS."

HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF ITS USE FOR YOU TO PONDER AND TO LEARN FROM ...

HILLARY is GOING TO LOSE.

BARACK OBAMA is GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY is GOING TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE LONG NIGHTMARE OF CLINTON CORRUPTION AND ITS STAIN ON HONORABLE PEOPLE is ABOUT TO BE OVER.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is THE HALLMARK OF GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY.

BARACK OBAMA is THE PERSON WHO WILL REMOVE THE STAIN AND RESTORE HONOR TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I HOPE ALL OF THE ABOVE is HELPFUL AND YOU ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT FAR FROM THE WHITE HOUSE THAT YOU DISGRACED.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 02/24/2008
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hey it must be second shift for the all caps psychos

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 02/24/2008

FIRED UP, READY TO GO!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJ72iZ3tW4

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 02/24/2008
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This lends credence to my chaos engineering theory:
(I believe that the cities and nations that will survive the next century will be those that employ “Chaos Engineers” to attempt to predict and plan for the nasties that this century may hold for us.)

..........­"aerosol", or dust in the atmosphere from industrial pollution, actually reduces the warming.

As Professor Shine stresses, there is enormous uncertainty about the degree to which this is happening, making calculation of the overall warming effect problematic. However, as James Lovelock points out - and Professor Shine and other scientists accept - in the event of an industrial downturn, the aerosol could fall out of the atmosphere in a matter of weeks, and then the effect of all the greenhouse gases taken together would suddenly be fully felt.

in the event of an industrial downturn, e.g.: .......Energy Scarcity..­..........­........th­e dust could fall out of the atmosphere in a matter of weeks, and it's buffering effect would suddenly be removed.

Since we do not yet have alternate energy sources to take up the slack caused from say, an Iranian war, rapid increases in energy pricing will easily cause industrial stagnation. Less industrial pollution = more climate change.

Solution?

What did you think I would not offer a solution; that I am like those neocon-crappers who only bitch whine and complain....?

The solution is nuclear war = large amounts of dust kicked up into the upper atmosphere.

Endless war.

E N D L E S S – N U C L E A R – W A R

Poasted by: Coyote2 on February 11, 2006

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 02/24/2008

google:

"thin-film solar"

"solar thermal"

"algae biodiesel" CNET

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 02/24/2008
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I love SOLAR, but it has a fatal flaw; it is dependent upon clear skies.

What do you think happens as Climate Change gets going?

Did you say more moisture is transfered into the atmosphere? Good for you. Now what does that mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 02/24/2008
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"The solution is nuclear war = large amounts of dust kicked up into the upper atmosphere.

Endless war.

E N D L E S S " N U C L E A R " W A R
Poasted by: Coyote2 on February 11, 2006"

Take your meds madman-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 02/24/2008
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indeed, madness; but you fail to realize that by the middle of this century we will be driven to madness by Climate Change and Energy Scarcity and NUCLEAR war is a SOLUTION to temporarily mitigate the effects of Climate Change.

The CIA have already figured it out: what's taking YOU so long?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 02/24/2008
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ENDLESS "NUCLEAR" WAR

They have those written on McCain's rally signs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 02/24/2008
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Extremely ingenious. Try not to let John MoreBush McCain overhear you talking about it, OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 02/24/2008
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Did anybody see Saturday Night Live tonight? Spot on. So refreshing after all of this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 02/24/2008

Yes, I did. I agree. It was great to be able to laugh a little. God, what a week...with Texas and Ohio still to go. I hate all this crap. I hate fighting with people in my own party. I hate fighting with people I know I would love if it weren't for all this crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 02/24/2008
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We don't really have to fight anymore, do we? Except people keep coming up with atrocious ideas like putting Webb on the ticket. A senator who's even more conservative than Lieberman, except for the NeoCon rhetoric. In the progressives' tidal wave year. It's really hard to let something like that pass.

It must be clear to any objective observer that Obama is going to win the nomination, so I think we should all stop calling Hillary filthy names like ... well, you know which ones I mean. She's going to keep trying to get the nomination, and she has a perfect right to, but she's not going to win. So we can afford not to try to refute every possible miniscule microscopic point made by her disappointed and frustrated supporters. Just let them vent. They'll come around, if we don't torment them. It could have been you, you know.

Better start focusing on the long term goal. I don't think real Democrats will desert the party because of this, but the independents can be pig-headed. I only hope the statistics cancel it all out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 02/24/2008
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Libs believe everyone is equal.......
Posted by: HairyLime on February 10, 2006 at 07:54pm

Some folks are more equal than others, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 02/24/2008
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Generally not... but for the special few we do make exceptions....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 02/24/2008

Who's "we" ? Be specific. Please. List 'em, one by one.

Are you inferring the majority think as "you" do? Are "you" leaders?

Do you consider yourself a leader?

Just thinkin out loud, is all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 02/24/2008
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"Some folks are more equal than others, right?"

Only a$$hole spammers that can lick their own balls. You are FAR better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 02/24/2008
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---L O O K ! -- C O Y O T E -- I S -- C O M I N G

posted on February 11, 2006 at 12:49am

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 02/24/2008

Good night for it, I suppose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 02/24/2008
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AtomicSplash (

Your question is what's called a leading question kev. It's what they do in push polls. Now either your too stupid to know that or you're a lying sack of shit. I'll let you decide.

02:01 AM on 02/24/2008

Go fuck yourself, hard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 02/24/2008
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LMAO. You don’t take criticism well do you kev?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 02/24/2008
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Better than you can offer an honest and straight forward answer, to be assured.

You offer me a choice of being stupid or a lying sack of shit.

No, I do not take that well.

Go fuck yourself, hard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 02/24/2008
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No, he's Thalia on the other side. It's rather sad IMHO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 02/24/2008
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Hello,

I am a sophisticated well-educated arrogant fuck who appreciates that all of you are concerned about your future and have a difficult time sorting out all of the nonsense that [insert candidate’s name] supporters are saying here. Let me assure you, I understand how difficult it is. That is why I have condescended to give up my precious time to explain to you good people, why [insert candidate’s name] is whom you should vote for.

Realize that you can trust me because, I, someone you have never seen, heard of, or met before, am much smarter than the rest of you and I do this for your own good.

Certainly you can see the logic in voting for [insert candidate’s name].

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 02/24/2008

LOL! Excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 02/24/2008
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the Democrats have only two major political programs, the breast feeding of minorities and the coddling of sexual deviants.

Posted by: HairyLime on February 10, 2006 at 07:47pm

breast feeding

breast feeding

breast feeding

coddling

coddling

coddling

I noticed you chose to use nurturing terms in a derogatory manner. Terms that families use to speak about their baby children; these you have chosen as weapons of hatred against minorities, families, women, and finally, sex, much of which you find “deviant.”

Missionary position only?

My ugly neon colored alien friend; What is troubling you? Mommy died and left you alone with damaged goods dad?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 02/24/2008
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Trolls like you only have two policies.

WAR

WAR

WAR

WAR

CORRUPTION

CORRUPTION

CORRUPTION

CORRUPTION

The teat that trolls, Bush and McCrazy are sucking on is the middle class.

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LOL! You're channeling RichLiberal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 02/24/2008
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