"When This Is All Over, I'm Really Looking Forward To Seeing You"

New York Times   |  PATRICK HEALY   |   February 23, 2008 04:28 PM


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To her longtime friends, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sounds unusually philosophical on the phone these days. She rarely uses phrases like "when I'm president" anymore. Somber at times, determined at others, she talks to aides and confidants about the importance of focusing on a good day's work. No drapes are being measured in her mind's eye, they say.

And Mrs. Clinton has begun thanking some of her major supporters for helping her run for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"When this is all over, I'm really looking forward to seeing you," she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.

Mrs. Clinton has not given up, in her head or her heart, her quest to return to the White House, advisers say. But as resolute as she is, she no longer exudes the supreme confidence that was her trademark before the first defeat, in Iowa in January. And then there were more humbling blows, aides say: replacing her campaign manager on Feb. 10, then losing the Wisconsin primary and her hold on the women's vote there last Tuesday.

If she is not temperamentally suited to reckon with the possibility of losing quite yet, advisers say, she is also a cold, hard realist about politics -- at some point, she is known to say, someone will win and someone will not.

"She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear," said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. "When she's on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, 'I don't want to hear it; I don't need to hear it.' I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

"That said, she knows that there will be an end," Ms. Hope said. "She is a very smart woman."

Over take-out meals and late-night drinks, some regrets and recriminations have set in, and top aides have begun to face up to the campaign's possible end after the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4. Engaging in hindsight, several advisers have now concluded that they were not smart to use former President Bill Clinton as much as they did, that "his presence, aura and legacy caused national fatigue with the Clintons," in the words of one senior adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity to assess the campaign candidly.

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JohnCGay1 posted: "My name is John C Gay and that was not availble so I added a "one"

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exactly,........... gay one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 02/24/2008
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Gay one from day one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 02/24/2008
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SO unlike dad and his fiernds who got to go shake down hippies and cut their faggy hair and spit and through beer and stuff on ‘em, me and my buds here, Bif, Chad, and Buck, we lik get us sum good beer and sum jak danels and we figure, let’s go over to Huffy and give then libruls a bunch of shit, you no, cause dems r sew fuking dubm.

Them dems r so stoopid they fall for every thing we say. It’s sew funny. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And then we like puke and stuff and then go screw with the commies at Kos.

Its better than draggin, you know, those “people” behind the backs of our truks cause like u cood go to jell.

Sissies. Luv Nancyi girl, don chya, pinkees.

HAHAHAHA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 02/24/2008
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LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 02/24/2008

this one is so smart he had to use picture cards to say what he needed to say, When my riding partners and I were trolling the south in our hippie days, we rode Harleys back then as we do now, we used to sucker them by dressin up as flower children and taunt their red neck asses,
Sure enough they'ed start their hunting us and follow us down the street in their lil ole trucks till they turned the corner in a dead end alley where the followed us, bikes would close behind em and the pieces would come out.

Want to know how fast a red neck can shiet his pants and stink up the cab of his favoorite puke up, ask em how good it feels to have their heads shaved with double edged razor by their buddies, then get their flakey asses kicked all over the ally while their begging for their miserable hides, Did about twenty punks like this before we left the southern hospitality behind, yep this flower child had flower power behind him and in his breast pocket,

That was over thirty years sa go and they still ain't learned not to fuck with the North westener,s, and of course the northern states as well, (their still mad about the civil war.losers all of them). Loggers to you all, Washington born and raised

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 02/24/2008
- Coyote2 I'm a Fan of Coyote2 85 fans permalink
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MichiganJFrog posted: " "And your year old posts are what again? "

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..........reminders that there is a lot more to the world than American political masturbating

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 02/24/2008
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Dogs licking their balls? No thanks...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 02/24/2008
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-Bush is born year of the dog

Posted by: coyote2 on February 11, 2006 at 12:11am

Jesus dog, u talking to yourself?

is the fire low? You had too much peyote? I'm fixin to go for beers, I'll ponder your post.

Posted by: OddOgg on February 11, 2006 at 12:24am

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 02/24/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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aloe cowboy has soft and doughy hands reminiscent of a baby's behind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 02/24/2008

ROFL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 02/24/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Spash,

Would you care to expand on this? Or even show a citation that make it anything but a lie pulled from your ass?

AtomicSplash

"yup, you Kev, in your words she is so nineties"

01:19 AM on 02/24/2008

What in the hell does that mean? That is only a step removed from Thalia saying that I had called HCR a bitch.

Neither has an ounce of truth in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 02/24/2008
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Get over yourself kev. If you're going to go psycho on me I'll just apologize now for not saving all your past posts and be done with it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 02/24/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Go psycho? Tell you what. I will not put words that you never spoke in your mouth if you would do me the same courtesy. And I still do not know how what you offered was in anyway a rebuttal of what I had asked.

It is a simple proposition. That Clinton made a judgment some time back that had it been the opposite, would have secured the nomination long ago.

Why do you have a problem with simply acknowledging that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 02/24/2008

C'mon, man. Move on to something else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 02/24/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Sure. Whatever. Splash just conflates me with someone else and I will let it pass. He has no answer for the proposition, one that you agreed with, that Clinton would have had this thing wrapped up by New Hampshire at the latest, had she run the opposition to the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 02/24/2008
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I wonder if when you win a game of Monopoly you dance around pointing fingers in people's faces saying "YOU SUCK!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 02/24/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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No. I usually agree with your analysis, but I feel tonight you are off your game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 02/24/2008

I, RonaldMcDonald, feel that I must apologize once again to those who call themselves "progressives" or "liberals".

Some of my most faithful employees are quite incensed with the entire lot of you and the media for all of the recent bad news regarding the number of skeletons continually being found in Senator John McCain's closet.

I pay these poor trailer dwelling trolls not much more than minimum wage... Some are willing to work for a Happy Meal and a single piece to a 10,000 piece jigsaw picture of their most beloved god - GW Bush.

However, in these attacks on Senator McCain: my most faithful brainless fry cooks, burger flippers, toilet scrubbers, etc... THINK that they are attacking ME and my fine eateries.

McDonald... McCain...

Though, in truth, they were quite aggressive in their campaign against Rosie O'Donell when they were of the belief that her last name was McDonald (they believed that she was my sister)... It's a peculiar trait amongst all of them... THEY ALL HATE WOMEN.

Thus far I've seen that alocoboy is here, as JohnCGay1.

I have no doubt that others will be by again... They have meetings about these things. One of my security cameras recorded as much when a bunch of them stood in a circle making secret sauce - That was quite disturbing, and let me assure you the 'sauce' was destroyed.

You see the dilemma I face... They do this out of allegiance for me and their little inferior false impotent god of narcism.

What I'm asking is this: don't confuse them.

They still need to find their way to work.
For my part? I'll start throwing in TEN pieces of the puzzle and offer them the meal at an extra 10% off.

This should get them to buy more and work faster to obtain their goal, and with any luck for you (but a loss for me) cause them to have heart attacks.

RMcD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 02/24/2008

ROFL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 02/24/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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"To prepare for the next stage of the U.S. presidential campaign, try this thought experiment: Imagine the television footage of Barack Obama's first trip abroad as president -- the crowds in the streets of Moscow, Cairo, Nairobi, Shanghai, Paris, Islamabad. Now try to imagine the first visit by President John McCain to those same cities. McCain is a great man, and he would be welcomed with respect, deference, perhaps a bit of fear. Obama would generate different and more intense reactions -- surprise and uncertainty, to be sure, but also idealism and hope. Now tell me which image would foster a stronger and safer America in the 21st century.

Obama has liabilities as a candidate, but his inexperience paradoxically may actually bolster one of his core arguments -- that he would give America a fresh start." - David Ignatius, Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202175.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 02/24/2008
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do you actually do any thinking for yourself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 02/24/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Sure do, that is why I gave up on Hillary.
Now, can you give me a decent reason for why you support her for President over say....Joe Biden?
I would love to see your rationale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 02/24/2008

YES .. LETS PICK SOMEONE FOR PRESIDENT THAT WILL MAKE "Moscow, Cairo, Nairobi, Shanghai, Paris, Islamabad" HAPPY ...

who cares if this person is totally inexperienced and sounds as if he has neurological deficits when he speaks!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 02/24/2008
- kfdan I'm a Fan of kfdan 23 fans permalink
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Perhaps, reality is entering the Hill/Bill awareness factor and the numbers don't look good. "When this is all over, I'm really looking forward to seeing you," she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.
When this is all over maybe she will get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 02/24/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Perhaps she will, and perhaps she will not....

She can stay in the race for as long as she wants as far as I am concerned... I love hearing how some states don't matter... and her declaring victory in states that didn't even have a proper vote.... oh, and her not very witty comments that are meant as insults...

Let us just say she holds a certain entertainment factor that I would miss... a little anyway...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 02/24/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 02/24/2008
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Only an idiot would call a theory by the consensus of the scientific community a scam. You sound as ignorant as Tom Delay and Sam Brownback. Even McCrazy who is not a rocket scientist by any means understands the concept of cause and effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 02/24/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 02/24/2008

brooding, as she recognizes too-sloppy campaign spending and terrible senior staff and strategy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 02/24/2008

Thank you Tina Fey.
Saturday Night Live totally disses Obama and gives Hillary a BIG endorsement.
The MSM is back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 02/24/2008
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I am thinking you did not watch the same episode...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 02/24/2008

Hasn't come on here yet...guess I better watch it LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/24/2008
- elkabong I'm a Fan of elkabong 190 fans permalink
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Tina Fey sounded every bit as ignorant as every other Hillary supporter who wants her because she is a woman.

She obviously hasn't read this excellent comparison:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 02/24/2008
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Yeah, her whole "I'm a bitch too, and that's what we need in the WH" smacks of Baldwin ass kissing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 02/24/2008
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Is there anyone prepared to deny that if HRC had lead the opposition to the invasion of Iraq she would have been the nominee by acclaim in Nov of '07?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 02/24/2008
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yup, you Kev, in your words she is so nineties

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 02/24/2008
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'Scuse me? When ever did I say anything of the sort? Now you gotta just make shit up? Are you a sock for Thalia?

Answer the question: If she had lead the opposition to the invasion, would she not have long ago locked up the nomination?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 02/24/2008
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A good sentiment; I wish it was true, but I fear it is not. Russ Feingold’s a true liberal, and he thought about running, but didn’t because he wouldn’t have done any better than Dennis Kucinich. I’m afraid Hillary was between a rock and hard place. There was probably no way for her to play this that would not have left her right where she is now in the face of any other viable candidate. I actually hope she pulls it out – but it looks grim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 02/24/2008
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Is there anyone here prepared to accept the fact that Obama "WAS NOT" in the senate to vote on Iraq. He is a liar.

My family, friends and I were against the war so we should be president. We were not in a position to cast any vote to make any difference in the outcome and neither was Obama. He is a liar.

Once in the senate Obama was asked by several reporters if he would have voted to invade Iraq. Obama said "I DON'T KNOW." He never said he would not invade Iraq. But now that he is running for president he lies and lies and acts like he would have voted no. Obama lies over and over and over and over again about Iraq. Obama is a liar.

BUSH LIED TO EVERYONE AND DOCTORED EVIDENCE TO LIE US INTO WAR. EVERYONE ON HIS INSANE STAFF FROM CHENEY TO RICE SAID NUCLEAR BOMBS COULD BE HEADED OUR WAY. A MUSHROOM CLOUD IF WE DIDN'T INVADE IRAQ. POWELL GOING BEFORE THE UN WITH HIS LOAD OF LIES.

LIES UPON LIES UPON LIES GOT US INTO IRAQ BY BUSH AND HIS PEOPLE. NOT ANYONE ELSE. THE CONGRESS WAS TRYING TO PROTECT ALL OF US. SO STOP LYING ABOUT HILLARY AND GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 02/24/2008
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I don't know whether to be happy or bummed that Thalia and I seem to post on opposite schedules.

Much as I love slapping her around, logically, I tire of her hysteria.

And what has become of all the honest Clintologists? Splash still can show his face, I guess that is alright, but the rest have run for the woods while bogus Clintonians from freeper and LGF pose as acolytes of the inevitable HRC.

Should I be happy that my schedule does not match Thalia's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 02/24/2008

Splash has no trouble holding his own and no reason not to show his face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 02/24/2008
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I'm just saying that the list is short and Splash tops it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 02/24/2008
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Yes, be happy. She posted a bunch of lies on another thread and I had to slap her down a few times with real links disproving her "fairy tales".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 02/24/2008
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Oh, she's a freak. When I bested her on the value of the Ted Kennedy endorsement, she had to resort to slander by falsely denouncing me for calling HRC a bitch. And could never take responsibility for the lie.

Right after Super Duper Tuesday I ran several times my analysis of why that was the end of the Clinton campaign, including the destruction of the inevitability narrative. Thalia when ballistic at the idea that HRC was the author of that narrative, called me all sorts of things including a liar.

Oh, I just LOVE sharing a movement for progress with the likes of her and the other hysterics and Puritans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 02/24/2008
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You should stop being obnoxious. But that's merely my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 02/24/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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It's a free country, you're entitled.

There is an historic battle begining just a few weeks from today, one that could well define America and the world for decades or a century to come.

Me, I intend to be on the right side of that bit of history. It will be a nasty pile of work. And I have little patience with those who cannot be troubled to actually work, much less vote.

So if I am obnoxious, there you have my motivation. Damn me if you must.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 02/24/2008
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Rudy lost 6 straight contests, and then dropped out.
Hillary has now lost 11 straight contests. When will she drop out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 02/24/2008
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can't take the pressure can you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 02/24/2008
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Pressure? Heck no.
I really enjoy watching the 30 point blow out wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 02/24/2008

bILLARY POWER FREAK LUNATICS NAFTA TO MANY LIE AND ACTING.pelosi and the clintons share the same bed. They are 1st class bottom feeders.

pELOSI AUTHOR ILLEGAL ALIEN BENEFITS LAW.


Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K’s?
and Mutual Funds, When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied ; ; “We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as “Americans”.”

Gee, sounds like a great idea Nancy, why don’t we just give them a new car and home while were at it.

This is more proof of how the elite liberal media has been covering up and filtering as shills for the Democrat Party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 02/24/2008
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Ignorant troll aLERT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 02/24/2008
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