"When This Is All Over, I'm Really Looking Forward To Seeing You"

New York Times   |  PATRICK HEALY   |   February 23, 2008 04:28 PM


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To her longtime friends, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton sounds unusually philosophical on the phone these days. She rarely uses phrases like "when I'm president" anymore. Somber at times, determined at others, she talks to aides and confidants about the importance of focusing on a good day's work. No drapes are being measured in her mind's eye, they say.

And Mrs. Clinton has begun thanking some of her major supporters for helping her run for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"When this is all over, I'm really looking forward to seeing you," she told one of those supporters by phone the other day.

Mrs. Clinton has not given up, in her head or her heart, her quest to return to the White House, advisers say. But as resolute as she is, she no longer exudes the supreme confidence that was her trademark before the first defeat, in Iowa in January. And then there were more humbling blows, aides say: replacing her campaign manager on Feb. 10, then losing the Wisconsin primary and her hold on the women's vote there last Tuesday.

If she is not temperamentally suited to reckon with the possibility of losing quite yet, advisers say, she is also a cold, hard realist about politics -- at some point, she is known to say, someone will win and someone will not.

"She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear," said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. "When she's on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, 'I don't want to hear it; I don't need to hear it.' I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

"That said, she knows that there will be an end," Ms. Hope said. "She is a very smart woman."

Over take-out meals and late-night drinks, some regrets and recriminations have set in, and top aides have begun to face up to the campaign's possible end after the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4. Engaging in hindsight, several advisers have now concluded that they were not smart to use former President Bill Clinton as much as they did, that "his presence, aura and legacy caused national fatigue with the Clintons," in the words of one senior adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity to assess the campaign candidly.

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1775 posts and not a one about the real problem with this Country. You all are playing into the hands of the opposition by fighting among yourselves. The Republicans are selecting both the Republican and Democratic candidates while you are fighting among yourselves. Divide and conquer is rheir motto.

http://www.famoustexans.com/karlrove.htm

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/09/uselections2004.usa1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 02/24/2008
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Thank God you showed up, I'm sick of thinking for myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 02/24/2008
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We weren't free of George until 1776

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 02/24/2008
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Thanks for the heads up. I've been waiting a long time for someone to come along and explain it all to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 02/24/2008
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If she goes down in the polls in Texas explain to me why she should not throw in the towel?

Hillary is doing damage to the party every second she continues her vanity campaign.

How could she manage a country if she managed this campaign so poorly?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 02/24/2008
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"As for countering what she sees as the empty Obama brand of hope, she offers only a chilly void: Abandon hope all ye who enter here. This must be the first presidential candidate in history to devote so much energy to preaching against optimism, against inspiring language and — talk about bizarre — against democracy itself. No sooner does Mrs. Clinton lose a state than her campaign belittles its voters as unrepresentative of the country.

Bill Clinton knocked states that hold caucuses instead of primaries because “they disproportionately favor upper-income voters” who “don’t really need a president but feel like they need a change.” After the Potomac primary wipeout, Mr. Penn declared that Mr. Obama hadn’t won in “any of the significant states” outside of his home state of Illinois. This might come as news to Virginia, Maryland, Washington and Iowa, among the other insignificant sites of Obama victories. The blogger Markos Moulitsas Zúniga has hilariously labeled this Penn spin the “insult 40 states” strategy." - Frank Rich, NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 02/24/2008
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Heh, you call for the future while locked in the past. Or is only your past relevant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 02/24/2008
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Frank Rich really sums up Hillary's campaign in this great Op/Ed piece. Her campaign has been as big a fiasco as the Iraq war has been relatively speaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 02/24/2008

haha that's awesome:

"The insults continued on Tuesday night when a surrogate preceding Mrs. Clinton onstage at an Ohio rally, Tom Buffenbarger of the machinists’ union, derided Obama supporters as “latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust-fund babies.” Even as he ranted, exit polls in Wisconsin were showing that Mr. Obama had in fact won that day among voters with the least education and the lowest incomes. Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Obama received the endorsement of the latte-drinking Teamsters."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/24/2008
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Great article by Frank Rich comparing Hillary's incompetently run campaign to Bush's incompetently run war in Iraq. A must read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 02/24/2008
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I hate to expose myself as someone who once watched Star Trek, but there was that one episode where they went into a parallel universe that was cruel and they had to play cruel.

I think the moral was that a civilized man could act uncivilized if he needed to, but an uncivilized man could not act civilized to save his life.

Posted by: CaliforniaMike on February 09, 2006 at 02:24am

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 02/24/2008
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T H A T ' S . I T . that explains it! Now I understand.

The difference between coyotes and wolves. Like Narnia, the wolves were for the ice queen, while fox/coyote was for the thaw.

But here in the real world, Coyote has her own agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 02/24/2008
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"In the last battleground, Wisconsin, the Clinton campaign was six days behind Mr. Obama in putting up ads and had only four campaign offices to his 11. Even as Mrs. Clinton clings to her latest firewall — the March 4 contests — she is still being outhustled. Last week she told reporters that she “had no idea” that the Texas primary system was “so bizarre” (it’s a primary-caucus hybrid), adding that she had “people trying to understand it as we speak.” Perhaps her people can borrow the road map from Obama’s people. In Vermont, another March 4 contest, The Burlington Free Press reported that there were four Obama offices and no Clinton offices as of five days ago. For what will no doubt be the next firewall after March 4, Pennsylvania on April 22, the Clinton campaign is sufficiently disorganized that it couldn’t file a complete slate of delegates by even an extended ballot deadline.

This is the candidate who keeps telling us she’s so competent that she’ll be ready to govern from Day 1. Mrs. Clinton may be right that Mr. Obama has a thin résumé, but her disheveled campaign keeps reminding us that the biggest item on her thicker résumé is the health care task force that was as botched as her presidential bid." Frank Rich, NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 02/24/2008
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Posted by: SeconLine on January 27, 2006 at 07:26am

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Some folks say he is one of the old wise men behind the Bushcabal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 02/24/2008
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"Clinton fans don’t see their standard-bearer’s troubles this way. In their view, their highly substantive candidate was unfairly undone by a lightweight showboat who got a free ride from an often misogynist press and from naïve young people who lap up messianic language as if it were Jim Jones’s Kool-Aid. Or as Mrs. Clinton frames it, Senator Obama is all about empty words while she is all about action and hard work.

But it’s the Clinton strategists, not the Obama voters, who drank the Kool-Aid. The Obama campaign is not a vaporous cult; it’s a lean and mean political machine that gets the job done. The Clinton camp has been the slacker in this race, more words than action, and its candidate’s message, for all its purported high-mindedness, was and is self-immolating." Frank Rich, NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 02/24/2008
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Zing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 02/24/2008
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Hey out there!

Let's say a middle-aged man dropped his suitcase while running across an intersection. And out popped sex magazines and paraphernalia of every description.

How many Americans would be shocked to discover that the man was Bill Clinton?

I am tired of the tawdry, the soap opera and the personal issues that are part of the Hillary and "Bill in a China Shop" show.

Remember when certain sexual acts were not acceptable subjects when talking to strangers?

Remember when alone actually meant alone?

The trashing of the English language, the increasing coarseness of public discourse are all part of the Billary legacy.

When I see Barack and Michelle together, the love and respect is palpable.

When I see Hillary and "Bill in the China Shop" together I really do not know what I am seeing - what is palpable is the feeling of revulsion.

Please God or whoever is out there, deliver us from the Clintons, once and for all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 02/24/2008
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You again? *sigh*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 02/24/2008

Unlike Scotch, this post doesn't get any better with age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/24/2008
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LOL.... no it sure doesn't.... more like the science project lurking in the back of its fridge...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 02/24/2008
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"WHEN people one day look back at the remarkable implosion of the Hillary Clinton campaign, they may notice that it both began and ended in the long dark shadow of Iraq.

It’s not just that her candidacy’s central premise — the priceless value of “experience” — was fatally poisoned from the start by her still ill-explained vote to authorize the fiasco. Senator Clinton then compounded that 2002 misjudgment by pursuing a 2008 campaign strategy that uncannily mimicked the disastrous Bush Iraq war plan. After promising a cakewalk to the nomination — “It will be me,” Mrs. Clinton told Katie Couric in November — she was routed by an insurgency." - Frank Rich

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 02/24/2008

I'd say that's a very good assessment of what happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 02/24/2008
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I just wrote a post a few days ago comparing her campaign to the war in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 02/24/2008
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Obama cult members and Obama should stop lying about Hillary. The Obamabots hate women and feminists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 02/24/2008
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Yeah that's why so many of us Obamabots have two x chromosomes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 02/24/2008
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btw I thought you were dead.

http://www.nightmareonelmstreet.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 02/24/2008
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Wrong Freddy... and we are not cult member either....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/24/2008
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hey fredo,

how's that old inevitability thing going?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 02/24/2008
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senator clinton quote 11/26/2007

"I think everybody should just take a deep breath and say 'let's just go to the finish line,' which will be probably be midnight West Coast time on Feb. 5,"

hey fredo.

how's that inevitability thing going?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 02/24/2008
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And another one bites the dust.. and another one's gone and another one's gone.. another one bites the dust hey hey hey hillary..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 02/24/2008
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A picture of rising protest
Associated Press

Key events in the controversy over the publication of the Prophet Mohammed caricatures:


Sept. 30, 2005: The Jyllands-Posten daily, one of Denmark's largest newspapers, publishes 12 drawings of the Prophet Mohammed in what it called a test of self-censorship among cartoonists when it comes to Muslim issues.


Oct. 12: Ambassadors from 10 predominantly Muslim countries and the Palestinian representative in Denmark send a letter demanding a meeting with Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen and urging him "to take all those responsible to task."


Oct. 21: Mr. Fogh Rasmussen declines to meet with the ambassadors, saying "the offended party may bring such acts or expressions to court."


Oct. 28: A coalition of Danish Muslim groups files a criminal complaint against Jyllands-Posten for publishing the drawings. A regional prosecutor investigates the complaint but decides not to press charges.


December-January: The Danish Muslim coalition tours the Middle East seeking support from religious and political leaders.


Jan. 1, 2006: Mr. Fogh Rasmussen condemns any expression or action that "attempts to demonize groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic background" but reiterates Denmark's commitment to freedom of speech.


Jan. 10: A Christian newspaper in Norway, Magazinet, reprints the cartoons.


Jan. 25: Religious leaders in Saudi Arabia demand that Jyllands-Posten be punished for publishing the drawings.


Jan. 26: Saudi Arabia withdraws its ambassador from Denmark to protest against the caricatures. Danish companies in Saudi Arabia report consumers were boycotting Danish goods and supermarket chains were removing Danish products from the shelves. In the following days, protests against Denmark spread across the Middle East.


Jan 30: Jyllands-Posten says it regrets it offended Muslims and apologizes to them, but stands by its decision to print the cartoons, saying it was within Danish law.


Jan. 31: Mr. Fogh Rasmussen calls on all sides to refrain from further aggravating the dispute. Later that day, the Danish Muslims group demands a clearer apology from the newspaper, saying the apology posted on the website was "ambiguous."


Late January-early February: Media in France, Germany, the United States, Britain, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Hungary, Greenland, Bulgaria, Portugal and Jordan reprint the cartoons.


Feb. 3: Mr. Fogh Rasmussen and Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller meet with ambassadors and diplomats from more than 70 countries. Egypt's ambassador, Mona Omar Attia, calls the Danish government's response to the controversy inadequate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/24/2008
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Try to focus Coyote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 02/24/2008

Don't stop him, he's on a roll LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 02/24/2008
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No, just a crazy, Assyrian, cowboy, rabbi, who loves long walks on the beach and firing guns at anything.

BANG! BANG!

Posted by: BlueinBama on February 07, 2006 at 01:00am

Kabbalah............ Oh look there goes boolaboola...........

BANG! BANG!

Ha ha

I used to be a good shot – intuitive – I have bad eyes and shoot left handed, but have made many impossible shots. It's intent; one needs to form the intent to kill, then a sparrow can be killed with a hip shot.

Seriously, I used to love guns and killing little animals. Then I shot my old dog I grew up with..... it was thirty below and he had cancer......farm dog.......the snow crunched beneath our feet as he followed me......it was a collector's item winchester 30-30 .............. his hot blood melted the snow faster than all the sunshine it carried from the summer when he still ran in the fields................then I understood what guns were for..............

now I think about the life of the chicken I eat...........enlightenment comes in many forms.........

Ein Soph.--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 02/24/2008
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Start a fight with someone else ya flea bitten mongrel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 02/24/2008
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enlightenment comes in many forms.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 02/24/2008

God I miss Molly Ivins!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 02/24/2008
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like tears... in rain.......

Posted by: Mary12 on February 07, 2006 at 12:43am

:)

and she comes running in a silk dress like a watercolor in the rain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 02/24/2008
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"You know some day you're bounnnd to leave her, but tonight you're gonna stay..."

Posted by: BJClinton on February 07, 2006 at 01:14am

BJ you surprise me, such sensitive taste. Good for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 02/24/2008
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Hucksterbee just did a "bit" on SNL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 02/24/2008
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I have to have a bit of respect for the guy... willing to poke fun at himself...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/24/2008
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