just like the puffed up Freedom's Watch ad before Petreaus' September Assessment by the 527 Group telling Americans how we NEED to STAY in Iraq for the sake of those who have already paid with their lives, and even displaying the Twin Towers in the background, all RNC talking points - over, and over, and over.


Now they're going after the DEMS who haven't caved in YET to the REQUEST by the BUSH ADMINISTRATION to Grant Immunity to the Telecoms ILLEGAL SPYING on AMERICANS by going "ALONG WITH" the BUSH ADMINISTRATION who Requested it!!!

Bush and his ilk are just trying to protect their butts.

There is no correlation to granting immunity to ILLEGAL ACTIVITY and protection the American people.

Besides, there's a FISA law already in place - with a 72 hour grace period after the SPYING or surveilling occurs so it is ON RECORD.

but Bush doesn't want his illicit activities on record.

DON'T CAVE IN Tim Mahoney, Robert Wexler or Ron Klein!!!!!

maybe someone should tell the RNC about this because I've been watching these apocalyptic commercials they are running against Tim Mahoney, Ron Klein and Robert Wexler down here in Palm Beach County-talk about fear-mongering bullshit.

Hey Stupid,

just go to FISA and ask permission.

Send all these murdering f'cks to The Hague.

You mean George W. Bush's "intelligence" directors are lying thugs who would think pissing on the Constitution is a sport?

I'm shocked,SHOCKED I say!

Of course they haven't! What PATHETIC LIARS!!!

How would the WH know? In seven plus years that haven't collected enough intelligence from any source to be able to form an opinion about anything.

Does anyone think it is a good thing that the DNI has, more than once, lied about this legislation?
Can we, as a nation, afford to have a DNI that is in the habit of lying to the American people?
Rep. Rush Holt, my congressman, rebutted this man here at HuffPost though he did it answering Joe Klein.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-rush-holt/whats-really-in-the-rest_b_74309.html

No one should believe that Bush did this for security reasons. He and Karl Rove wanted to spy on anyone they damn well wanted to spy on and ONE CAN BET THEY DID.

They have spied on anyone whom they deemed to be a political foe, which means all the Dems, and anyone who donated or worked for them.

They were SPYING BEFORE 9/11. For me, that makes it even more stunning, that even with spying they were unable to stop 9/11. Really, folks, if anyone thinks that they didn't know the large part of 9/11 before it occurred, and permitted it happen, then they are fools.

Karl Rove and Cheney WANTED 9/11 SO BADLY THEY COULD TASTE IT.

If this true the Democrats failed in their efforts to use civil suits against innocent third parties to stop the legal warrantless wire tapping. Hopefully this is true.

The alliance between business and government to control the citizenry through economic pressure and fear is the Fascist program that Bush and his allies have been fashioning for some time now.

Business, the military, and the government are in league to make sure we are too afraid to deny them what they want, which is a passive populace to rule.

Note Glenn Beck's nonsensical foray into Liberal Fascism on his show. He claims that large scale social programs to aid the citizenry through the power of government is fascism.

In other words, government should leave the people to themselves and at the mercy of large business and industrial interests - a return to the 1890's and the ability to rob the public treasury at will by lobbyists for the friends of those they place in power.

Fascism is a Conservative form of government, but people like Beck would have you believe his word twisting and remain ignorant of the political forces that really are destroying our country.

These Cretans wouldn't let some little old law stop them from doing whatever the fuck they want. They seized power, they stalked into the government and took whatever they wanted. They hired friends and family to do important jobs they weren't nearly qualified to do. They've lied, murdered, cheated and marginalized opponents. Why does anyone think they are suddenly going to be law abiding?

Nothing will change until Bush/Cheney and Company are GONE!

Surveillance cameras every where , even on the major interstate highways.Tapped phones and probably watching what goes on with the blog and RFID'S in everything that we buy. I get the feeling that they do not trust us. 1776

AT&T began wiretapping at the request of the NSA and administration in February, 2001, not after 9/11. Rice, Cheney & Bush authorized the clandestine, illegal, unwarranted spying upon American citizens immediately after entering the White House. The reason Bush & Co. want to immunize the telecoms is to prevent them from having to disclose when, where, upon whom, and by whose orders the secret wiretapping program began. The Protect America Act passed last summer made the wiretapping legal after-the-fact, and presumably to cover up the White House & NSA's crimes against the Constitution commencing in early 2001. To prevent any lawsuits, testimony, disclosure of evidence or orders eminating from them, the administration is insisting upon the retroactive and future immunity, so they can continue to violate the 4th Amendment, our legal and civil rights with no accountability. Bush is afraid that if any case gets to court, the telecom execs will spill all (tell the truth, show letters/orders, and expose how they were coerced -bribed-or-threatened into implementing the wiretapping program). That could leave Bush & Co. with some potentially serious allegations against them, not that Congress or the MSM would do anything about it, other than whine and shrug.

AT&T began wiretapping at the request of the NSA and administration in February, 2001, not after 9/11. Rice, Cheney & Bush authorized the clandestine, illegal, unwarranted spying upon American citizens immediately after entering the White House. The reason Bush & Co. want to immunize the telecoms is to prevent them from having to disclose when, where, upon whom, and by whose orders the secret wiretapping program began. The Protect America Act passed last summer made the wiretapping legal after-the-fact, and presumably to cover up the White House & NSA's crimes against the Constitution commencing in early 2001. To prevent any lawsuits, testimony, disclosure of evidence or orders eminating from them, the administration is insisting upon the retroactive and future immunity, so they can continue to violate the 4th Amendment, our legal and civil rights with no accountability. Bush is afraid that if any case gets to court, the telecom execs will spill all (tell the truth, show letters/orders, and expose how they were coerced -bribed-or-threatened into implementing the wiretapping program). That could leave Bush & Co. with some potentially serious allegations against them, not that Congress or the MSM would do anything about it, other than whine and shrug.