Bush Lobbies Again for Surveillance Law

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BEN FELLER | February 25, 2008 05:46 PM EST | AP

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President Bush holds up a copy of the Quiet Revolution Report, produced by the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Monday, Feb. 25, 2008, as he addressed the National Governors Association in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and Congress over terrorist surveillance grew increasingly sharp.

"To put it bluntly, if the enemy is calling into America, we really need to know what they're saying, and we need to know what they're thinking, and we need to know who they're talking to," Bush said at the start of his annual meeting with the nation's governors at the White House.

"This is a different kind of struggle than we've ever faced before. It's essential that we understand the mentality of these killers," Bush said.

The law in question targets foreign terrorist threats and allows eavesdropping on communications involving people in the U.S., so long as those people are not the intended focus or target of the surveillance. The latest version of the legislation expired on Feb. 16, and the rules reverted to those outlined in the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Bush and Congress are at odds over whether to give legal immunity to companies that in the past helped the government spy on customers without court warrants.

Bush wants the House to act on legislation the Senate has passed. That bill provides retroactive protection for telecommunications companies that wiretapped U.S. phone and computer lines at the government's request after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, without court permission.

The House version does not provide such immunity.

"Our government told them that their participation was necessary," Bush said. "And it was, and it still is, and that what we had asked them to do was legal. And now they're getting sued for billions of dollars. And it's not fair."

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The president's pitch was the latest installment in a long and increasingly sharply-worded debate between Bush and congressional Democrats.

Democrats, in an op-ed piece Monday in The Washington Post, accused Bush of resorting to "scare tactics and political games."

"It is clear that he and his Republican allies, desperate to distract attention from the economy and other policy failures, are trying to use this issue to scare the American people into believing that congressional Democrats have left America vulnerable to terrorist attack," said the article.

The piece was signed by Democratic Sens. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee; Democratic Reps. Silvestre Reyes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee; and John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

White House press secretary Dana Perino responded to their op-ed with her own statement. Perino said that Bush is not using scare tactics, but rather repeating the concerns of the intelligence community about the risks to the nation. "Unless this threat is taken more seriously in Congress, the ability to obtain the intelligence we need will be at risk, and with it our national security," Perino said.

Later, speaking to reporters, Perino said the Democrats' use of the phrase "scare tactics" must "be like one of their favorite words _ it must poll very well, because they use it almost every time. What we have done is state facts."

The Justice Department and Office of National Intelligence said Saturday that telecommunication companies are now complying with existing surveillance warrants. The agencies also said that new surveillance activities under existing warrants will resume "for now," but that the delay "impaired our ability to cover foreign intelligence targets, which resulted in missed intelligence information."

Bush says flatly that telecommunications companies won't help the government if they don't have protection from lawsuits, and that he will not compromise with Democrats on that point.

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and C...
WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and C...
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- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

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WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS 'MAN?".....

W CRIES WOLF EVERY TIME HE NEEDS A POLL BOOST!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 02/26/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 22 fans permalink

You have all seen how the argument has morphed, as congress has refused to give sign this bill. First it was "America would be left unprotected." When it was pointed out that all existing taps were still good, and you could go with the original lawin which you could if need be get the warrant after the tap was installed the truth finally came out. Bush wants to give the telcoms, who knowingly broke the law immunity. And he wants to do anything he wants without any oversight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 02/25/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 30 fans permalink
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GW, what we need to know is who went to to WH parties with Jeff Gannon. Release the records.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 02/25/2008
- ratmach I'm a Fan of ratmach 3 fans permalink

Bush -------> Jail

Now please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 02/25/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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When the FISA law was originally written in '78 AT&T insisted that the government would not have the power to compel without the AG presenting the Telecos with a letter confirming that the program was legal.

The telecos wrote that into the law. The AG must present a letter or the taps are illegal.

The AG never signed such a letter. The telecos knew the taps were criminal from the start.

The telecos deserve no immunity.

And Bush deserves life in prison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 02/25/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 55 fans permalink
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Benjamin Franklin:
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

If this petulant chimpanzee wants the FISA with Telecom Immunity - he only wants it to cover his own and his crony's asses.

Don't give it to him. If the Telecom companies were not doing anything illegal or unconstitutional - then the legal system will eventually sort it all out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 02/25/2008
- LAcarlito I'm a Fan of LAcarlito 7 fans permalink

drkazmd65: A simple, colorful and correct explanation of the facts. The Dems better not back down on this one! The Telecom companies can go to the courts and explain what went on. This is what terrifies Bush.

I too am disgusted that so many Dems in the Senate sided with Bush on the fact that the Telecoms did not have to go to the courts to explain themselves. It is time for the Dems to get their spines back!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 02/25/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Please tell me that you called and wrote on several occasions, considering how disgusted you have decided to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 02/26/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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I thought that the Franklin quote went "These quivering cowards who are prepared to trade away my rights to gain an illusion of security give me a great pain in my arse!"

But I could be wrong about that.

Give me liberty or give me death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 02/26/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Give me liberty or give me death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 02/25/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Oh, and for all the cretins who never call or write congress but post here about how the Dems are going to cave because they are cowards, please shut the fuck up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 02/25/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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Second the motion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 02/25/2008

Call, email, write, post on the soapbox, fax, FLOOD them.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/power_rankings/index.tt

Someone has already posted on the site. Well done. Click on the name, click on the Bio/Contact info under their photo, and GET INVOLVED. Locally and on the Congressional site. Let them know we're on to them, and they ARE accountable to the people.

Keven, keep telling them. They have no idea this is the ONLY way to stop this criminal admin. No lawsuits, no truth comes out. More power goes unchecked and leaves us, and the world open for further abuse and misuse. I haven't forgotten about ANY of this. My local reps are sick of hearing from me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 02/26/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Oh, I have, I have. I suspect that you are new here?

And they know full fucking well what is happening.

The House developed a spine now because they know that in the election season Bush is at last going to slide to single digit approval numbers.

Especially with Obama and his charm.

I don't know if it is good or bad that the two congressmen whose ears I have are fully on the side of the angels in this. They helped write the RESTORE ACT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 02/26/2008

From Bush's fear mongering to McCain's war mongering, we have allowed ourselves to be led completely off course. The stakes couldn't be greater. Every single American who knows what is right yet does nothing....every single citizen who has the great privilege and opportunity to have a say, and yet does not pull the lever, must accept responsibility. We blame the government, but we ARE the government. As long as we allow those who are in power, or those who seek power to use fear and hate as the means by which they rule, we will never be able fortify the foundation upon which the promise of our representative republic was born. The choice is ours. We will only get that which we are willing to speak up for, expect and demand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 02/26/2008

Does anyone here actually think that anyone in Washington actually gives a rat's ass what their constituents think anymore? I guess it's good that we're talking about it...but every single thing we do is monitored unless you never use a credit card, never use the internet, yadyada...it's all data that adds up to no privacy...get used to it. In fact, your dollar "vote" probably speaks louder than writing an email to your congress person... That said, when is that silver spoon kid from Connecticut going to go back home crying (can you say "all hat and no cattle"?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 02/26/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Take your nihilism and piss off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 02/26/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 67 fans permalink

Well, if your senators were Brownback and Roberts, would you bother calling or writing emails? Heck, I suspect mine have been on the observation list for years. I have truck loads of useless replies and justifications for taking away our rights they I have written. I don't agree with them on ANYTHING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 02/26/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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George Bush has deliberatly committed tens or hundreds of thousands of felonies. He is desperate that the truth of his crimes never be revealed.

Thus his insistence on retroactive immunity for the telecos.

The telecos had immunity had they been given a letter by the AG saying that the wiretaps were legal.

But the AG never signed such a document. And the Telecos knew full well that that meant that the taps were illegal.

They deserve no immunity, and Bush should rot the rest of his living days away in prison for his violations of FISA and the fourth amendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 02/25/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 91 fans permalink
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Not to mention the FACT that a provision in Bush's surveillance law allows it to be active for an additional year beyond last week's expiration date. So, Bush is blatantly lying to the American people when he says that we're in more danger than we were a week ago. There is no basis, other than to promote fear. He can still spy on the democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 02/25/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Even if PAA were utterly shut down, the elements of FISA installed by Bush in '02 at his insistence still allow the FISA courts to issue warrants.

The FISA court essentially has NEVER failed to give the FBI or the NSA a warrant when asked.

And that law is in effect today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 02/25/2008
- Shanti I'm a Fan of Shanti 2 fans permalink

It is not the national security that worries Bush; it is his security that he is frightened of; and what America needs is to tap his e-mails,phone calls,ect. and have him locked away for the highest treason to America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 02/26/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 02/26/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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We do need to eavesdrop on e-mails and phone calls, from the Bush administration. 99% of our problems could be solved if we listened to the Presidents private conversations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/25/2008
- CindyKay I'm a Fan of CindyKay 17 fans permalink
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"Our government told them that their participation was necessary," Bush said. "And it was, and it still is, and that what we had asked them to do was legal. And now they're getting sued for billions of dollars. And it's not fair."
No Way , He did not just say that! How Dare that little S.O.B ( And that is being nice!) tand there & say such SH*T & keep a straight face? Can He really believe We ould care what He thinks or believe a word He says ? This Total F**k-Up & His Entire Administration should be locked up for CRIMES Against America & The American People!
Granted these Companies Violated Our Rights BUT Bush & His Government ( Not Yours Or Mine ) told them it was Legal so He should be the one held Financially & Or Criminally Responsible!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 02/25/2008
- TRYKER I'm a Fan of TRYKER 71 fans permalink

Right, if the telcos lose billions, they can sue Bush and get their money.

"If they don't get immunity, they won't do the job"...OK!

Qwest wouldn't do the wiretaps and they abused that company to death...they still didn't comply. So, it does go to show that it wasn't such a slam dunk and smart CEO's knew enough to follow the law.

Bush is only worried about his own ass, he could care about anyone else's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 02/26/2008
- CindyKay I'm a Fan of CindyKay 17 fans permalink
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Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/26/2008
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Why should the Telcos care if they're getting sued for something Bush says "was legal"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 02/26/2008

Oh Georgie and his voyeur fetishes...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 02/25/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

"Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Bush didn't do anything with that information or the fact that Middle Eastern men were learning to fly planes in the U.S. without learning to land

Phones and e-mails? Do you really think this is how the terrorists are working. They have the Internet and newspapers. They know this exists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 02/25/2008
- ratmach I'm a Fan of ratmach 3 fans permalink

Bush is right. He says we should be concerned about the enemy, and especially the enemy that might be inside this country. He's right. And the enemy IS inside this country already... and we need to go after them, arrest them, put them on trial, and lock them up for life!

So whatd'ya say? When exactly ARE we gonna finally go after the enemy in this country? When exactly ARE we gonna go after George W. Bush and his minions?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 02/25/2008

If the Democrats don't want Nader to run for President, then they should impeach Bush and Cheney for their crimes.

Otherwise STFU!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 02/25/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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I couldn't agree more. Well said leftL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 02/25/2008
- ratmach I'm a Fan of ratmach 3 fans permalink

I agree. I think if the Dems finally stood up to Bush, and started hearings aimed at proving the slimebag's crimes, then Ralph would step aside. The fact that, after being given a clear mandate in the 2006 elections -- a mandate to HOLD BUSH ACCOUNTABLE -- the Dems have done basically nothing is disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 02/25/2008
- TRYKER I'm a Fan of TRYKER 71 fans permalink

More than likely the "spying" was more on democrats than terrorists...and the dope they got on the dems was all they needed to keep them from going after Bushco.
Blackmail works where everything else doesn't. Apparently, everyone that is getting 'favors' doesn't want to have the exposure. Imagine that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 02/26/2008
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