Bush Lobbies Again for Surveillance Law

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BEN FELLER | February 25, 2008 05:46 PM EST | AP

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President Bush holds up a copy of the Quiet Revolution Report, produced by the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Monday, Feb. 25, 2008, as he addressed the National Governors Association in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and Congress over terrorist surveillance grew increasingly sharp.

"To put it bluntly, if the enemy is calling into America, we really need to know what they're saying, and we need to know what they're thinking, and we need to know who they're talking to," Bush said at the start of his annual meeting with the nation's governors at the White House.

"This is a different kind of struggle than we've ever faced before. It's essential that we understand the mentality of these killers," Bush said.

The law in question targets foreign terrorist threats and allows eavesdropping on communications involving people in the U.S., so long as those people are not the intended focus or target of the surveillance. The latest version of the legislation expired on Feb. 16, and the rules reverted to those outlined in the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Bush and Congress are at odds over whether to give legal immunity to companies that in the past helped the government spy on customers without court warrants.

Bush wants the House to act on legislation the Senate has passed. That bill provides retroactive protection for telecommunications companies that wiretapped U.S. phone and computer lines at the government's request after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, without court permission.

The House version does not provide such immunity.

"Our government told them that their participation was necessary," Bush said. "And it was, and it still is, and that what we had asked them to do was legal. And now they're getting sued for billions of dollars. And it's not fair."

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The president's pitch was the latest installment in a long and increasingly sharply-worded debate between Bush and congressional Democrats.

Democrats, in an op-ed piece Monday in The Washington Post, accused Bush of resorting to "scare tactics and political games."

"It is clear that he and his Republican allies, desperate to distract attention from the economy and other policy failures, are trying to use this issue to scare the American people into believing that congressional Democrats have left America vulnerable to terrorist attack," said the article.

The piece was signed by Democratic Sens. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee; Democratic Reps. Silvestre Reyes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee; and John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

White House press secretary Dana Perino responded to their op-ed with her own statement. Perino said that Bush is not using scare tactics, but rather repeating the concerns of the intelligence community about the risks to the nation. "Unless this threat is taken more seriously in Congress, the ability to obtain the intelligence we need will be at risk, and with it our national security," Perino said.

Later, speaking to reporters, Perino said the Democrats' use of the phrase "scare tactics" must "be like one of their favorite words _ it must poll very well, because they use it almost every time. What we have done is state facts."

The Justice Department and Office of National Intelligence said Saturday that telecommunication companies are now complying with existing surveillance warrants. The agencies also said that new surveillance activities under existing warrants will resume "for now," but that the delay "impaired our ability to cover foreign intelligence targets, which resulted in missed intelligence information."

Bush says flatly that telecommunications companies won't help the government if they don't have protection from lawsuits, and that he will not compromise with Democrats on that point.

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and C...
WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and C...
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Well Mr. Bush you don't have to spy on me, I'll tell you just the way that it is: if you come around me or I get within swinging distance you will have to sign up for new dentures or at least a partial. Am I clear?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/25/2008
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Abbie........amen.

If only.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 02/25/2008
- KCFreedom I'm a Fan of KCFreedom 18 fans permalink

Interesting choice of words that Bu$h always uses. Terror, enemy, attack, evil, evildoers, etc. Sounds like your mother on steroids packing a shotgun.

Note he is desperate. He actually LIED to the telecom companies, and told them it was legal, only because Alberto and Dick said so. Of course every legal precedent said differently (just like torture). Even Ashcroft thought it was illegal, but went along initially. Of course one telecom company with at least some sense of legality, Qwest, said "no". So then the Bu$hies used the D.A. in Colorado to put their CEO in jail, just like the governor of Alabama.

Most Americans have no clue this warrantless wiretapping started BEFORE 9-11. Of course we'll never know for sure, because NOBODY, including Congress have no idea what they're doing.

What they're probably doing (but of course we may never find out) is they're tapping EVERY phone call and EVERY internet hit and email by EVERY American. It has nothing to do with "enemies". That's why it's so illegal. It violates every fundamental of our legal system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/25/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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AntiAmerican, AntiConstitution. To summize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 02/25/2008
- Fathoms I'm a Fan of Fathoms 4 fans permalink

Amewica, Be Afwaid! . . . Be Wery Afwaid! . . . I need you squarwed enough to pwovide me with an out from pwosecution before my term in office expwires earwy in '09 . . . So Be Patwiotic! . . . Be Wery, Wery Afwaid! . . .
My name is Gworge Bush, and I prepwoved this message!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 02/25/2008
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 192 fans permalink

Bush wants to blame the trial lawyers. He started wiretapping before 9-11. If it worked so well, why did 9-11 take place? The CEO of Quest is now in prison because he didn't go along with the plan. Don Siegelman is in prison. Bin Laden is free.

We no longer have the Fourth Amendment protections and our ability to communicate with each other or to organize is destroyed.

I hope that the House keeps this administration to its word, i.e., you need a warrant.

If WW II didn't change everything why should 9-11? The Japanese were interned and later the government apologized. Now everything is "changed" and Bush can throw out the constitution and the Bill of Rights, too.

Somehow I don't believe that he is not spying on his political opponents and throwing fat no-bid contracts to his friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 02/25/2008
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Bush doesn't want to keep terrorists out of the country. No, let them walk around here and spend money then fall into our trap!

Wouldn't it be safer, smarter, better for all of us to just greet the terrorists at the international airport with a lynching party? Entry denied. No access to America by foreign governments and their henchmen.

You want to hire people, then hire Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 02/25/2008

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. I bet we would both be equally displeased.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 02/25/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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Dont worry, I have no doubt that the dumorats will give in soon and hand bush everything he wants. Immunity for corporations and himself and biggest dickest( is that still in the bill? It was last year)
Pelosi and Reid will lead the charge to pass the full measure without question. But when the cameras are on them, they will ACT as if they are fighting for the rights of the citizens. Russia cold war tactics were nothing compared to what our own Government and its Corporate controllers are doing to us now, and will do in the near future. Its the end of America as you know it, and you wont feel fine..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 02/25/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Just as I have no doubt that you will never do more than piss and moan on an anonymous board.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 02/25/2008

Please someone tell me this is a joke, and Dana Perino reminds me of all of the past flunkies who "speak" for Bush.
The real issue is not even the immunity for past bad acts of telecoms, the real issue is buried in the bill is the ticking time bomb of INTERNET CENSORSHIP championed by the wicked Jane Harmon. If passed, the bill was cause a commission to fly into action and in 18 months deliver a recommendation on how to deal with terrorism threats and protecting American citizens from such great threats on the internet, and they even suggest that the 911 truth movement should be first on the targeted hit lists of websites that are to be banned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 02/25/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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O.K. You scared me with the 911 truth movement. Please post a link or explain your position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 02/25/2008

ok, it will take a few minutes, be back to you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 02/25/2008

many good sites out there and a few bogus disinfo ones too

do your own research is what i say

do the work

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 02/25/2008

OK, Start with the Wikipedia Article, realize, that Wikie is censored/revised by CIA but, the article has good links:
exerpts: "Another source of concerns centers around a series of “Congressional findings” (Section 899B) from a House Subcommittee held on November 6, 2007 and chaired by Rep. Jane Harman, the bill's sponsor.[22] The Subcommittee heard testimony which equated the 9/11 "truth movement" with terrorist propaganda [23] and the committee's findings specify, among other things, that terrorism exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security, (item 2), that the Internet has aided in facilitating home grown terrorism (item 3) and that preventing home grown terrorism cannot be accomplished through traditional law enforcement efforts. (item 6).[24][25]."
(tho Harmon committee report states this in her report)
exerpt:As of January 2008, the mainstream press appears to be ignoring this issue; exceptional coverage did occur in The Brattleboro Reformer, Brattleboro VT (Jan. 4,2008, Nov. 28, 2007), Madison Capital Times, Madison, Wis. (Jan 4, 2008), and The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, UT (Oct. 28). Other exceptions are noted below:
The Baltimore Sun published an opinion article by Professor Emeritus Ralph E. Shaffer and R. William Robinson, titled "Here come the thought police." [29]."
The Pioneer Press published an article by Professor Peter Erlinder, pointing out disturbing parallels to the House Un-American Activities Committee.[30]"
Conservative commentator Devvy Kidd writes: "Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government.... Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime."[31]
In an interview aired on Democracy Now, Academic and author Ward Churchill said: "HR 1955, as I understand it, provides a basis for subjective interpretation of dissident speech...."[13]
Kamau Franklin of the Center for Constitutional Rights said that the bill "concentrates on the internet as a place where terrorist rhetoric or ideas have been coming across into the United States and to American citizens.” [32]
LewRockwell.com columnist Jeff Knaebel criticizes it as an Orwellian thought crime bill specifically targeting the civilian population in the USA and defines "Violent Radicalization" as promoting any belief system which the government deems to be "extremist." [33]
The Hartford Advocate, noting that all of Connecticut's Representatives had voted for the bill, sought to interview one of them, but reported that none of them would comment on the record, personally or through a spokesperson, about their reasons for voting in favor. The Advocate concluded that the problem with the bill was "not that the bill threatens anything specific, but that it’s far too vague."[34]
Bottom Line, MAJOR NEWS MEDIA is not following this story, including Keith Olberman who interviewed Harmon on another issue and failed to call her on this which is far more important that the fight over retroactive immunity for the telecoms.
Also, since we rarely look at what the foregin press is saying, check out this BBC story, very interesting.
"Web censorship 'bypass' unveiled -A tool has been created capable of circumventing government censorship of the web, according to researchers."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6187486.stm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 02/25/2008
- Dap I'm a Fan of Dap 51 fans permalink
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That's why ya better hand over all them White House emails Bu$h!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 02/25/2008
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WH emails and/or the RNC emails? How's this for a potential story should the Congress ever get serious about bringing them to light:

"The WH and RNC email archives had all been 'consolidated for safekeeping' and were in a cabinet that was in Cheney's office in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.

Unfortunately, they were destroyed in the fire of Wednesday, 19 December 2007.

Cheney, the RNC, and PNAC are said to be in deep mourning over the loss of the priceless artifacts of American history."

lollll...remember, that is just a "what if"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 02/25/2008
- KRANKY I'm a Fan of KRANKY 14 fans permalink

Patriots in America will now be buying high powered rifles and constructing I.E.D.'s to be used against the Repuke corporatists.

The more killed now, the less killed later.

Vive la Resistance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 02/25/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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Where do I sign?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 02/25/2008

No, dumbass we need to see what went on in those energy task force meetings. We also need a president who isn't scared to face a little investigation. Hey, he can tap my phone if I get to sit in Cheney's lap when he does it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 02/25/2008
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the energy task force meetings are nothing compared to nowadays. That is the past. You can be pretty sure they worked on ways to invade Iraq. You can be sure they were behind the increase in oil and gas prices. And they might have even been involved in the ethanol crap too. Think about it. If they can get the high priced oil to last twice as long by adding ethanol, which not only dilutes the gas meaning more to go around, it actually decreases fuel mileage, so you have to buy more.
So now you have $3+ gallon lower mileage fuels, but you also can raise the price of products made from grain because you have created a shortage by boosting your gasoline profits at the pump. This is a win win for both oil and Ag companies. So you factor in the politically influential control ADM and Conagra has, not to mention they are the ones who will profit the most from the grain side of ethanol, and the overwhelming power in government oil companies have, well, we are just up a creek with paddles made of grain products that dissolve in the water, and a tank of gas for the motor that will only get us half as far as it use to.
Ethanol being used in fuels was never environmentally driven. It actually doesnt seem to make much environmental or economical sense for the country or the world as a whole. But its great for the Oil and Ag corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 02/25/2008

If you raise suspicion, FISA and classic taps allows monitoring into the future. Bush most likely wants pretty pervasive saving of information, so if you raise suspicion they can go back and see what you said last month ir last year. That's a chilling power to give a government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 02/25/2008

This is just one more attempt to COMPLETELY INVADE OUR PRIVACY.... while the righties will argue that you have nothing to fear if you're not doing anything, that argument is flawed. The fear is that you are willfully giving up your rights, guaranteed by the blood of our soldiers in this President's war. There are adequate procedures and LAWS in place for the intelligence agencies, i.e. the FISA court, however the President just feels he is above the law.

DO NOT GIVE IMMUNITY TO THE TELECOMS.... THEY BROKE THE LAW...

THEY SPIED ON CIVLIANS.... WITHOUT CAUSE.....

IT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU.... BUT YOU'LL NEVER KNOW B/C THEY ARE CLAIMING NATIONAL SECURITY....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 02/25/2008
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President Bush Jr, come up and release the 10 million emails that have mysteriously disappeared from your Administration, and the Secret Service Visitor Log Book to Cheney's residence. Only then will we consider this.

You repeatedly tell us we are making America less safe by not renewing your spy on Americans act, while at the same time refusing to let us in on what you have been up to.

We are not the terrorists. You work for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 02/25/2008
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Hey George, you're our leader (I feeling generous). So you first. We'll eavesdrop on YOUR phone call and emails. And after a couple months of that, you can start eavesdropping on ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 02/25/2008
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