Bush Lobbies Again for Surveillance Law

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BEN FELLER | February 25, 2008 05:46 PM EST | AP

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President Bush holds up a copy of the Quiet Revolution Report, produced by the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, Monday, Feb. 25, 2008, as he addressed the National Governors Association in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and Congress over terrorist surveillance grew increasingly sharp.

"To put it bluntly, if the enemy is calling into America, we really need to know what they're saying, and we need to know what they're thinking, and we need to know who they're talking to," Bush said at the start of his annual meeting with the nation's governors at the White House.

"This is a different kind of struggle than we've ever faced before. It's essential that we understand the mentality of these killers," Bush said.

The law in question targets foreign terrorist threats and allows eavesdropping on communications involving people in the U.S., so long as those people are not the intended focus or target of the surveillance. The latest version of the legislation expired on Feb. 16, and the rules reverted to those outlined in the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Bush and Congress are at odds over whether to give legal immunity to companies that in the past helped the government spy on customers without court warrants.

Bush wants the House to act on legislation the Senate has passed. That bill provides retroactive protection for telecommunications companies that wiretapped U.S. phone and computer lines at the government's request after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, without court permission.

The House version does not provide such immunity.

"Our government told them that their participation was necessary," Bush said. "And it was, and it still is, and that what we had asked them to do was legal. And now they're getting sued for billions of dollars. And it's not fair."

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The president's pitch was the latest installment in a long and increasingly sharply-worded debate between Bush and congressional Democrats.

Democrats, in an op-ed piece Monday in The Washington Post, accused Bush of resorting to "scare tactics and political games."

"It is clear that he and his Republican allies, desperate to distract attention from the economy and other policy failures, are trying to use this issue to scare the American people into believing that congressional Democrats have left America vulnerable to terrorist attack," said the article.

The piece was signed by Democratic Sens. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee; Democratic Reps. Silvestre Reyes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee; and John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

White House press secretary Dana Perino responded to their op-ed with her own statement. Perino said that Bush is not using scare tactics, but rather repeating the concerns of the intelligence community about the risks to the nation. "Unless this threat is taken more seriously in Congress, the ability to obtain the intelligence we need will be at risk, and with it our national security," Perino said.

Later, speaking to reporters, Perino said the Democrats' use of the phrase "scare tactics" must "be like one of their favorite words _ it must poll very well, because they use it almost every time. What we have done is state facts."

The Justice Department and Office of National Intelligence said Saturday that telecommunication companies are now complying with existing surveillance warrants. The agencies also said that new surveillance activities under existing warrants will resume "for now," but that the delay "impaired our ability to cover foreign intelligence targets, which resulted in missed intelligence information."

Bush says flatly that telecommunications companies won't help the government if they don't have protection from lawsuits, and that he will not compromise with Democrats on that point.

WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and C...
WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and C...
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Says Mr. 19% Approval Rating. Go pound sand, George.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 02/25/2008

BUCK FUSH!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 02/25/2008

The only thing the Republicans fear is a lack of fear on the part of the American public. If the American public is brave and courageous, unlike these cowards, the crimes of this, the worst administration in US history, will be revealed. All one need do is look. The evidence may as well be up in neon lights. It's time to remove the deification we exalt on our Presidents, and see this one in particular for what he is, a lying, duplicitous, dissembling, psychopathic criminal who has been responsible for the rape of Iraq, and god knows how many other crimes against humanity. And now he wants to eliminate any pretence of privacy that there is left in this country.

NO TO TELECOMM IMMUNITY. IF THE THREAT THEY CLAIM IS REAL, BRING EM ON! AMERICAN'S ARE A PROUD AND STRONG BUNCH OF VIOLENT REDNECKS WHO WON'T TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE! ANYONE COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY TO DO HARM KNOWS THEIR FACING THE MOST HEAVILY ARMED POPULATION IN WORLD HISTORY!

NO FEAR!!!!!

IMPEACHMENT NOW!

JAIL TO THE CHIEF AND (excuse my political incorrectness) AND ALL HIS LITTLE INDIANS!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 02/25/2008
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Why does one need immunity for something that was legal? If they're sued, the complainant would lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 02/25/2008

Exactly! What is a lawsuit? Someone complains that another has injured him in some way, the facts are presented to a judge and jury, and hopefully the truth comes out and is addressed appropriately. Like the administration is fond of saying: "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about". This principle should apply here as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 02/25/2008
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Hey, George - You can listen in on my phone calls, if I can listen in on yours!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 02/25/2008

If telling the truth - that we need to use surveillance techniques to protect us from our enemies - is a scare tactic, then so be it.

If someone is sneaking up behind you with a gun, you should have the right to turn around, see them doing it, and then protect yourself.

Jesus H. Christ Almighty, what the hell is the matter with you liberal dim bulbs at Huffington Post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 02/25/2008
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 347 fans permalink
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The FISA law cover every scenerio you describe, it states though, that the Feds need a WARRANT.

Too dense to understand legal language?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 02/25/2008
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How Dick Cheney Used the NSA for Domestic Spying Pre-9/11

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9561

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 02/25/2008

It also exonerates all corporations and government officials that have committed felonies against the 4th Amendment. This also is un-Constitutional if you read the Constition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 02/25/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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This is actually pretty simple. He's to scared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 02/25/2008
- Chazz27 I'm a Fan of Chazz27 8 fans permalink
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Oh yeah...I should like...give up all my freedoms just so I can be .......safe....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 02/25/2008

You would be dangerous if you had a brain. Like most knuckle draggers you believe what George tells you. When you give up your liberty to these criminals you no longer are an American. You are a slave.
Those who trade their liberty for security deserve neither” Benjamin Franklin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 02/25/2008
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You are not an American. You are a scared little man who has no concept of what my forefathers faught and died for.
Al-Queda is looking for some spineless retards with no principles to kill innocent people.
You should sign up with them, Enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 02/25/2008
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 347 fans permalink
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Bush is freaking out because the telecoms are getting cold feet about spying on the Dems, cause their fucking immunity has expired.

KKarl and his operatives are data mining anyway, they know congress doesn't have the balls to come get them. They already are under orders to appear, and they are ignoring congress.

We really have a lawless regime in control right now folks, and they are stupid, and cornered, like a rabid dog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 02/25/2008
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cowboy george remarks: "Our government told [the telecoms] that their participation was necessary...and that what we had asked them to do was legal...it's not fair."

but telecom participation in this initiative without fisa warrants is and never was legal and the corrupt bush regime should never have stated that it was.

however, under specific circumstances, i would be willing to make a deal here. something like this: congress grants limited immunity to telecoms for past illegal actions involving warrantless wiretaps, but only after bush and cheney and key current and former members of their administration admit their individual and collective guilt, under oath, as sworn testimony, in the appropriate court of law and before a full session of congress, so that each of them can be imprisoned for the crimes they have committed, under established maximum sentencing guidelines.

seems somewhat equitable to me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 02/25/2008
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"Our government told [the telecoms] that their participation was necessary...and that what we had asked them to do was legal...it's not fair."

Not what Quest said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 02/25/2008
- BassMonk I'm a Fan of BassMonk 6 fans permalink

George, right after you let us listen to your phone calls and read your email, then we can talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 02/25/2008
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We could not ask for a better representation of the Republican Party’s idea of national security. Forget about the surveillance, it’s the immunity, stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 02/25/2008
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If the Bush administration really cared anything about gathering evidence that might indicate possible harm coming this way, he would allow Sibel Edmonds to testify before Congress.

Why is she gagged? As a translator at the FBI, she intercepted communication which indicates that the State Department is funding and otherwise sponsoring the sale of nuclear secrets to our enemies and that they are engaged in spying along with Israeli agents. She also found that Turkey and the U.S. are involved in heroin transactions that are likely funding covert operations in the Middle East. Similar deals were carried out between Al-Qaeda, Pakistan, and the U.S. government prior to 9/11 while allied against the Soviets. What makes anyone think we are not still partners with Al-Qaeda? Why doesn't Bush care about where Bin Laden is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 02/25/2008
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The only good news that will ever be reported concerning george w. bush is that he has dropped dead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 02/25/2008

Your depth of thinking and feeling, your understanding of what the world truly needs, is stupefying. Your handle (serialcoma) is brilliant. You know yourself well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 02/25/2008
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all the presidents before bush had no trouble operating within the law. bush can't seem to do anything without changing the rules to make it easier for himself. poor incompetent baby! why is the presidency so tough for george? is it his FETAL-ALCOHOL RETARDATION?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 02/25/2008
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Dear george.. drop dead..the nation hates your cowardly, traitorous guts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/25/2008

Dear W,
I suggest you fortify your 99,000 acre Hacienda in Paraguay well. Because after Pres. Obama signs the new treaty with extra special extradition clauses for war criminals we'll be sending Boba Fett after your ass! Get a warrant, listen away - otherwise go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 honorarium!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/25/2008
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