Democratic presidential hopefuls Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., left, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., respond to a question during a Democratic presidential debate Tuesday, Feb. 26, 2008, in Cleveland. (AP Photo/Kiichiro Sato)

Clinton, Obama Clash Over NAFTA, Iraq

DAVID ESPO | February 26, 2008 11:50 PM EST | AP

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CLEVELAND — Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama clashed over trade, health care and the war in Iraq Tuesday night in a crackling debate at close quarters one week before a pivotal group of primaries.

Charges of negative campaign tactics were high on the program, too.

Clinton said Obama's campaign had recently sent out mass mailings with false information about her health care proposal, adding, "it is almost as though the health insurance companies and the Republicans wrote it."

When it was his turn to speak, Obama said Clinton's campaign has "constantly sent out negative attacks on us ... We haven't whined about it because I understand that's the nature of these campaigns."

The tone was polite yet pointed, increasingly so as the 90-minute session wore on, a reflection of the stakes in a race in which Obama has won 11 straight primaries and caucuses and Clinton is in desperate need of a comeback.

Clinton also said as far as she knew her campaign had nothing to do with circulating a photograph of Obama wearing a white turban and a wraparound white robe presented to him by elders in Wajir, in northeastern Kenya.

"I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo," Obama said.

In one curious moment, Clinton said, "In the last several debates I seem to get the first question all the time. I don't mind. I'll be happy to field it. I just find it curious if anybody saw "Saturday Night Live," maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow."

In its episode last Saturday, the comedy show ran a feature portraying the news media as going easy on Obama, and a questioner asking at one point if he was comfortable and needed another pillow.

The two rivals, the only survivors of a grueling primary season, sat about a foot apart at a table on stage at Cleveland State University. It was the 20th debate of the campaign, 10 months to the day after the first.

The race was far different in April 2007, Clinton the front-runner by far. Now Obama holds that place, both in terms of contests and delegates won. The two square off next Tuesday in primaries in Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont, with 370 delegates at stake.

Both Obama and Clinton were on the receiving end of pointed questions from Tim Russert of NBC News, one of two moderators for the event.

Asked whether he was waffling on his pledge of agreeing to take federal funds for the fall campaign, Obama said he was still contesting the primaries.

"If I am the nominee I will sit down with John McCain and make sure we come up with a system that is fair to both sides," he said. Obama could presumably raise far more money than the federal system provides, but accepting government money precludes that.

The equivalent question to Clinton concerned the income tax returns that she and her husband, former President Clinton, file jointly.

"I will release my tax returns," Clinton said, if she becomes the Democratic nominee. She then added she might do so "even earlier," but not before Tuesday's primary.

The two rivals also debated NAFTA, the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico that is wildly unpopular with blue-collar workers whose votes are critical in any Democratic primary in Ohio.

Neither one said they were ready to withdraw from the agreement, although both said they would use the threat of withdrawal to pressure Mexico to make changes.

"I have said I would renegotiate NAFTA," said Clinton. "I will say to Mexico that we will opt out of NAFTA unless we renegotiate it."

Obama said Clinton has tried to have it both ways, touting the trade deal in farm states where it's popular while finding fault with it in places like Ohio.

"This is something I have been consistent about," said Obama, who said he went to the American Farm Bureau Federation to tout his opposition and used it as an issue in his 2004 Senate campaign.

"That conversation I had with the Farm Bureau, I was not ambivalent at all," said Obama.

On the war, both candidates denounced President Bush's record on Iraq, then restated long-held disagreements over which of them was more opposed.

Clinton said she and Obama had virtually identical voting records on the war since he came to the Senate in 2005.

The former first lady voted in 2002 to authorize the war, at a time when Obama was not yet in Congress. Asked whether she'd like to have the vote back, she said, "Absolutely. I've said that many times."

Obama tried to use the issue to rebut charges that he is ill-prepared to become commander in chief.

"The fact is that Senator Clinton often says that she is ready on day one, but, in fact, she was ready to give in to George Bush on day one on this critical issue," Obama said.

Clinton also stumbled at one point as she tried to pronounce the name of Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's first deputy prime minister, who is expected to win an election to succeed President Vladimir Putin on Sunday. "Whatever," she said after several attempts to demonstrate she knew his name.

Obama also sought to distance himself from an endorsement from Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan, the controversial Chicago-based minister who has made numerous anti-Semitic comments in the past.

Obama said he hadn't sought the endorsement, and that he had denounced the remarks.

Clinton interjected at one point, saying that in her initial Senate campaign in New York in 2000, she was supported by a group with virulent anti-Semitic views.

"I rejected it, and said it would not be anything I would be comfortable with," she said. Clinton said rejecting support was different from denouncing it, an obvious jab at Obama.

He responded by saying he didn't see the difference, since Farrakhan hadn't done anything except declare his support. But given Clinton's comments, he said, "I happily concede the point and I would reject and denounce."

The audience applauded at that.

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Associated Press writers Mike Glover and Tom Raum in Cleveland and M.R. Kropko in Lorain contributed to this report.


 
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Rachel Maddow tries to come off neutral but of course, she isn't. She almost cried for her girl as she bit the dust. She's acting stupid and sexist. It"s funny when you give people the benefit of the doubt and they show their true colors. I can't believe all these whiny kiss butt journalists are in denial. Get over it Gregory! Get over it Matthews. Stop crying Russert (btw why was Tim going after her like that? Not that I really care but it was kind of weird.) Olberman carries & drinks Hillary's bath water but even he can see the truth. Buchanan with his bigoted self at least gave Obama his props. MSNBC and CNN should just stop that entire bias ass commentating. We can make up our minds. We can read and we can see, nitwits. The majority knows Queenie lost!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 02/27/2008

You must be smoking Obama's old stash. MSNBC and Maddow are up Obama's ass and have been for months. Chris "Tweety" Matthews sucks Obama off everyday with Keith is waiting for a facial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 02/27/2008

Oh gawd. People say Huffpo is biased towards Obama? Not all of them, check out the "official" liveblog:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huffpost-liveblog/liveblog-dems-play-meet_b_88624.html

Notice anything funny? Oh right, no mention of that "obama" guy in the leading description!

We have HILLARY CLINTON, and RACHEL SKLAR, and BRIAN WILLIAMS, and GLYNNIS somebody, and ... weren't they supposed to invite someone else? Hmmm.... Oh, there he is, "obama". It's like Where's Waldo or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 02/26/2008
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The Northeast Media Bloc is holding Obama's water. This debate was not great however the Democrat voter is so intoxicated with hate they are too dumb to realized they are being duped. Come on, an't a damm thing going to change about NAFTA. Obama is not going to leave Iraq with the blood of the Iraqi people on there hand. Liberal Jews in America need to wake up! Ohio needs to wake up! DNCTV/MSNBC needs to stop kissing up to Obama! Its like I want the Democrats to win so America can learn the hard way. GOP Congress 2008, GOP Congress 2010, GOP White House 2012. Democrat Party as we know it: On a Path To Destruction!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 02/27/2008

Obama displayed some serious foreign policy chops tonight. He even went a little hawkish on the going into another country to get al qaeda question, whereas Hillary equivocated a bit.

What this and several other answers say to me is that he is already beyond Clinton and looking at the general election.

She got booed again (on her SNL/pillow line) and when they re-played her canary-coated celestial choir rant, Barack grinned and gave her kudos for delivery.

He was cool and teflon and poised and, gosh darn it, PRESIDENTIAL.

JP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/26/2008
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You have a Obama Man Crush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 02/27/2008

Hillary did nothing tonight to change the course of history. Specifically, she did not do anything tonight to turn her campaign around. I looked at that debate as objectively as I could given that I support Obama and came to this conclusion. Hillary is knowledgeable and capable, and passionate about healthcare. However, she does not come across as a likeable person. She appeared flustered and looked angry at times insisting in speaking, and strikes me as someone who can go off the deep end when things dont go her way. In order words, I sense a tempermental person, whereas, I percieve Obama more likable, equally knowledeable, reasoned, and measured in his thinging. His performance tonight was solid, and he has left me with no reservation about him assuming the highest office in the land.

Those video images of Hillary mocking Obama just did not paint her in a good light at all. Also her complaining about the order of questioning and the semenantics over words relative to Farakan didnt do much to help that image.

It would have been nice to have a woman president as I believe women have a unique way of thinking and doing things. However, I just dont see Hillary as that woman at this time. I think she would countinue to be a good senator from New York and do great work in the senate; however, after tonights debate, my vote is solidly in the Obama column. Nevertheless, I believe either Obama or Clinton will be better to run the country after the chimp leaves than McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 02/26/2008
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I can't argue with one thing you've written. Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 02/26/2008

I agree with the above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 02/26/2008
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Here we go again, Mr. Matthews. Stop kissing Hillary's ass. You've given her plenty of Shusters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 02/26/2008

O Hillary,
ever-changing one,
ready on day one?

I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 02/26/2008

Which Hillary is ready on day one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 02/26/2008

That's what I meant with 'ever-changing one'. Who knows? She has more personalities than the beach outside my house has clams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 02/26/2008
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Again he takes the high road regardless of the ankle biting with the "bomb Pakistan" comment and other blatent misrepresentations.... very class act... nicely played, Obama...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 02/26/2008

I couldn't do what he does. It's just too tempting to do what she does and go for the cheap laugh or clever swipe. But she's not very good at that either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 02/26/2008

Does anyone else think Chris Matthews acts totally interchangeably with Fred Willard in "Best of Show"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 02/26/2008

Ha! Yes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 02/26/2008

Idiotic banter, no filter...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 02/26/2008

I agree with the above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 02/26/2008

haha! Great comparison!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 02/26/2008
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Spot on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 02/26/2008
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A Mother who could afford $3,000,000 is not a good example of the ordinary people I don't think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 02/26/2008
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dont worry, Santa Obama will pay her bills for her (with your money)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 02/26/2008
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thanks, I won't worry just as you suggest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 02/26/2008
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With all due respect, I think she said "including the insurance payments".

The problem, is that when you reach certain amounts paid from insurance, some plans have lifetime caps. Then you are on your own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 02/26/2008
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thanks for clearing that up for me. That does make more sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 02/26/2008

C-change line got the only applause of the night? Or did I miss others?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 02/26/2008
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"sea change"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 02/26/2008

Nuts. I thought nobody noted mistakes on these blogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 02/26/2008

My mother was a teacher, so I'm used to and appreciate your correction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 02/26/2008

her only applause. He had 3 or 4.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 02/26/2008
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Barack should have been on the forefront in blocking that disgrace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 02/26/2008

She didn't? "Electing a woman president would be a sea change".

That's still what she's running on (in addition to health care and foreign policy).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 02/26/2008
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He regrets voting for the government intervening on Terry Schaivo?

You have to be kidding me!!

What Democrat was in favor of that invasion of privacy debacle?

What a joke!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 02/26/2008

Evidently you didn't listen. Their was unanimous concent on letting the Congress consider the Schiavo affair. He regrets not having stopped it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 02/26/2008

Make that, "There was unanimous..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 02/26/2008

Don't misquote.

He regrets not standing up to the circus on the floor of the senate and stopping it. He voted against it, he wishes he did more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 02/26/2008
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Man, is this last question lame. He didn't really expect either of them to answer it, did he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 02/26/2008

Very lame. I just want it to stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 02/26/2008
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Hmmm she didn't bite ... strange

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 02/26/2008
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