Judge: $105M Lawsuit Over

Judge: $105M Lawsuit Over "Predator"-Inspired Suicide Can Proceed

AP   |  Larry Neumeister   |   February 26, 2008 06:18 PM


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A $105 million lawsuit brought by a woman who claims a sex sting by Dateline NBC: To Catch A Predator drove her brother to kill himself can go to trial, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.

In a scathing ruling, U.S. District Judge Denny Chin said a jury might conclude the network "crossed the line from responsible journalism to irresponsible and reckless intrusion into law enforcement."

Louis William Conradt Jr., a suburban Dallas prosecutor, fatally shot himself after he was accused of engaging in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy, according to a lawsuit filed by his sister.

In the lawsuit, Patricia Conradt said NBC "steamrolled" police to arrest her brother after telling police he failed to show up at a sting operation 35 miles away.

NBC was working with the activist group Perverted Justice on the sting, in which officers impersonating underage girls establish online chats with men and try to lure them to a house, where they are met by TV cameras and police.

Chin said the lawsuit contained sufficient facts to make it plausible that the suicide was foreseeable, that police had a duty to protect Conradt from killing himself, and that the officers and NBC acted with deliberate indifference.

Amanda Leith, a lawyer for NBC Universal, had no comment on the ruling. The company previously called the lawsuit "completely without merit." A spokeswoman for the company did not immediately return a telephone message.

Bruce Baron, a lawyer for Patricia Conradt, said: "This decision shows no one is above the law, no matter how powerful."

Chin tossed out many of Patricia Conradt's claims but said her principal claims could proceed to trial.

In his ruling, Chin said the network "placed itself squarely in the middle of a police operation, pushing the police to engage in tactics that were unnecessary and unwise, solely to generate more dramatic footage for a television show."

Chin wrote that a reasonable jury could find there was no legitimate law enforcement need for a heavily armed SWAT team to extract a 56-year-old prosecutor from his home when he was not accused of any actual violence and was not believed to have a gun.

He said a jury might conclude it was done solely to sensationalize and enhance the entertainment value of the arrest.

"A reasonable jury could find that by doing so, NBC created a substantial risk of suicide or other harm, and that it engaged in conduct so outrageous and extreme that no civilized society should tolerate it," Chin said.

Before issuing his ruling, Chin said he reviewed a copy of the Feb. 20, 2007 episode. In her lawsuit, Patricia Conradt claims a police officer at the scene of the shooting told a Dateline producer: "That'll make good TV."


 
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This Judge says "Entrapment" is Not Legal!!!

One very important point of U.S.law is being presented here.If the families of a person (who was "set up" or "entrapped" by an organization to commit a serious crime) have the legal right to "sue" that entrapping organization.
Also then by extrapolation any persons who were convicted of any crimes,that were based on set up or entrapment by either the police or the U.S.Justice Dept.,have the legal right to sue those agencies who entrapped or coerced them into committing that crime or crimes!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 02/27/2008

I don't think you and I read the same thing. Where does it say "entrapment is not legal"? It doesn't even mention the word "entrapment". This isn't a case of entrapment, BTW. Google the word and get back to us when you have a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/28/2008

It's amazing that we are even having a debate on this...Who pulled the trigger? He did.. END OF STORY!

It is quite apparent that the LIBERALS do not give a rats ass about kids in this nation! If him killing himself stopped ONE child from being molested, THEN JUSTUCE WAS SERVED!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/27/2008

I am a liberal Democrat. You might want to read some of my posts on this blog before you lump all "LIBERALS" in one pile.
BTW, we "LIBERALS" might say that all cons/Republicans HATE children because of the way Bush vetoed SCHIP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 02/27/2008
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You are being fooled. You are being driven like cattle into a society of fear where you can be more easily controled and manipulated. Every civil person cares for the safety of children. Dateline should be ashamed of their actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 02/27/2008

"Chin wrote that a reasonable jury could find there was no legitimate law enforcement need for a heavily armed SWAT team to extract a 56-year-old prosecutor from his home when he was not accused of any actual violence and was not believed to have a gun."

Right. Unless he's growing a marijuana plant in his basement. Then bring on the SWAT.

People accuse me of seeing Drug War Demons everywhere I look, but it seems to me that our overuse of heavily-militarized domestic police in drug busts have desensitized the American people to the idea of innocent-until-proven-guilty citizen's doors being broken down, kids and parents thrown to the floor, terrorized and hogtied, all to prosecute a warrant to find an indoor pot garden. Never should we use such force on non-violent, non-emergency warrants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 02/27/2008

In Lima, Ohio a woman was shot and killed while holding a one year old baby on a raid on an alleged 'crackhouse'. The infant was also wounded. This kinda shit is outrageous and the damage done by these raids far outweighs the actual damage done by the drugs, especially if you count our now defunct civil liberties in the collateral damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 02/27/2008

I think the subject here is about a "sick" media, not just a sick person. I sometimes think the people who do these shows get a "kick" out of it. Let law enforcement do the job, not some TV station that is making money off of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/27/2008

1. He was being arrested, and whether or not it was filmed is a moot point. Millions of Americans are filmed being busted on shows like COPS. No difference.
2. He was well known to law enforcement, since he was one of them. His gun ownership views were well known to coworkers, too. A SWAT team was an appropriate response. It's always hard to take down preachers, doctors, firefighters, prosecutors and others who have traditionally lived beyond the law.
3. Bruce Baron's claim that 'no one is above the law' is the exact point the arrest of this prosecutor makes. He could not expect immunity from prosecution solely because he was a prosecuter himself.
4. Child abusers and molesters in America have a lower suicide rate than the general population. I doubt this dead prosecutor could be considered a suicide risk specifically because his arrest was publicized.
5. Fear of consequences apparently didn't stop him from harming a vulnerable category of human beings. If he chose to end his life, it was a decision made by him, for his own benefit, much like his decision to harm others.
6. I commend the police for doing the right thing, rather than taking the easy (and political) route by unloading him behind closed doors. The police are there to protect and serve, and their job is incredibly difficult. Carrying out their duties without special treatment is a burden. It's unfair to imply the police allowed their professional judgement to be altered for a television appearance.
7. I don't like the implication that the police allowed themselves to be instructed by media in how to make a bust. It's their job, damnit.
8. I'm sure it would be a dreadful shock to learn a family member had a secret life that involved illegal activities. But it isn't a media obligation to sugarcoat criminal conduct. Money will change nothing about this sad affair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 02/27/2008

cheriemarie, I agree. Thank you for saying it best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 02/27/2008

how sad...tried and convicted and DEAD without so much as a fair trial...

you should be ashamed of yourself...for pandering to this

"Fear of consequences apparently didn't stop him from harming a vulnerable category of human beings."

my interpretation of this reading is that he did NOT hurt anyone but himself and that was under the fear of excessive prosecution of the incident...

if I was the judge I would also make the network justify how it could have influenced the outcome...

while I think this show and the people it targets are an abhorent bunch...as they say it makes "great TV"....

anyone that has watched the cops shows and all of the like will see that even with the police some of the "action" is a bit on the dramatic side and is that way on purpose...

do ya think it is possible to get back to the bedrock foundation that this country is predicated on...the rule of law...and innocent until proven guilty in a court of law..."not the court of public opinion"....

THAT is the reason lynch mobs and mob rule have been outlawed in this country...

what ever happened to the kindler, gentler nation concept???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 02/27/2008

Once again, I will try to educate.

Conradt took his own life. NO ONE made him shoot himself. He, better than anyone, knew he was innocent until proven guilty.

You said your "interpretation of this reading is that he did NOT hurt anyone but himself". Conradt had ALREADY broken the law and HE KNEW IT! In most jurisdictions, it is a crime to engage in sexually explicit conversation with a person the perpetrator BELIEVES TO BE a minor. AND, Conradt had child pornography on his computer. This is also a crime and HE KNEW IT!

A "kinder, gentler nation", in my book, STARTS with protecting the most vulnerable members of our society - OUR CHILDREN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 02/27/2008
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"my interpretation of this reading is that he did NOT hurt anyone but himself and that was under the fear of excessive prosecution of the incident..."

What about the children who were raped and abused whose pictures were on his computer for his enjoyment? Do you assume they weren't hurt?


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 02/28/2008

If He hadn't been found guilty there is no reason this should have been aired. However I pay tax dollar so that the police do put away people like this. People like him should be caught locked up and have the key thrown away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 02/27/2008

A healthy person does not suddenly have a weak moment and decide to prey on kids for sex.

Ick. I have no sympathy for these pervs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 02/27/2008

Healthy is the operative word. What about the person dealing with the problem successfully and then gets stung? There are documented cases of that happening, or the person that has gone years with no problem and someone discovers their past, torments them and they give up, figure WTF's the point and indulge themselves. Now there's two tragedies, the criminal and the victim.

Suggesting that sick people should be helped is not condoning their activity, and, hate is never an answer to anything. Most the problems we have in our country can be traced to fear and hate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 02/27/2008

A "person dealing with the problem successfully" does NOT then get "stung". A person "dealing with the problem" is NOT re-offending. Get it? The crime has already been committed BEFORE the perpetrator shows up at the decoy house. The crime is engaging in sexually explicit conversations with a person the perpetrator believes to be a minor.
BTW, pedophiles have an incredibly low rate of rehabilitation. Studies have shown they almost NEVER get "well". This is not about "hate". This is about protecting the most vulnerable members of our society - our children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 02/27/2008
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Folks keep claiming that these men were entrapped. Read the transcripts on PJ - the perps initiate contact with the decoys 100% of the time. The profiles show obviously 10-14 year old girls and the decoys identify themselves immediately as being from that age group.

The minute these men IM the decoy they have crossed the line. They were not entrapped nor did they just "fall off the wagon".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 02/28/2008

is is a stretch to say that just maybe the producer of this show, CHRIS HANSON, is getting a vicariuos thrill from all this? maybe he himself is just as much a predator as the people he pursues,as any shrink will tell you,the 'hunter'is not that far removed from his 'prey'...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 02/27/2008

pahpah25 -- I agree with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 02/27/2008

so you are saying that when Chris gets older he just may become one of "them"


hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaahaha

talk about poetic justice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 02/27/2008

Every week it seems there is some kind of story that reaffirms our decision to get rid of any kind of broadcast television from our home. It has been over 4 1/2 years and I couldn't be happier. I miss some news programs, but my kids read years above grade level, they don't pester us for junk on a regular basis, and we don't have an $800-1,200 annual expense for satelite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 02/27/2008

I find it wonderful and bizarre that the stalking of proto-pedophiles by public servants in the US has become mass entertainment with the assistance of this nation's bumper sticker culture's television medium. The Romans, in the later stages of their decadence, took psychopathic killers who were not otherwise preoccupied with assisting the Roman army in its raping and pillaging conquests and staged them in the Empire's arenas to slaughter each other for the entertainment of the public.

Have any of you responders read Gibbons' "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"? I can imagine the contemporary US TV medium, through the magic of interactive programming, giving the viewing audience a virtual thumb up or down on a SWAT team (or maybe Blackwater) sniper's taking out a perp.

This is a brave new world indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 02/27/2008
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add the plays of Seneca to that - when one of his characters had to die, a condemned man would be brought out and executed.

are we there, yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 02/27/2008

It is curious that tv has this shit every week, while at the same time there is no questioning how oil companies get their profits....except of course Venezuela Oil.

Senator Obama, I nominate Amy Goodman for FCC Chair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 02/27/2008

That show is despicable and that asshole Chris Hanson is the one who should be locked up along with everyone else even remotely responsible for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 02/27/2008

I don't like that show either. Before the person is arrested, tried, and sentenced, the show itself acts as judge, jury, and executioner, by destroying the person's livelihood, reputation, family and anything else of value. We're supposed to react with a, "Too bad for him. He's a dirty child molester." We're not supposed to notice that the show itself is a self righteous, moral and legal perversion and that there might be something inside ourselves that needs to be examined because shows like that are on the air for public consumption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 02/27/2008
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A grown man makes arrangements to have sex with a child and we're supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/27/2008

Good. This was garbage anyways-it's one thing if the feds or cops are doing this, but letting some privately run, flawed to the max outfit like 'perverted justice' get involved in stings etc-that was playing w/ fire. NBC and the producers of this dreck deserve what they're gonna get here.

Next up-Tim Russert-caught in bed w/ Obama. Film at 11. Barfbags at 9.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 02/27/2008

This is a wise and fair ruling. And before any wing nuts start yelling that another 'interventionist judge is siding with child molesters', I suggest you read the logic of the judges decision to let the case proceed. This whole sick idea that we now think anything should be televised is warping our society and our constitution. I was a police officer, and never lost sight that people (now what how I pre-judged them) were entitled to innocent until proven guilty, and their right to privacy. This whole escalation in violence by authorities, like the absurd, expensive, and gratuitous use of a S.W.A.T. team in this case, or the unecessary tasering death of the man in the Vancouver airport a few months back, is an ominous sign of Cops Gone Wild. When commercial TV is used to sensationalize law enforcement and criminal justice we have a real problem. Suddenly Arnold Schwarzenegger's 'Marathon Man' doesn't seem so far fetched. I'm worried that the mass of Americans that tolerate (and love) this crap, and have so little understanding of our Constitution, and how easily a civil society can unravel, had better wake up from their American-Idol induced coma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 02/27/2008

I don"t know the answer for whether NBC" is truly responsible for this death, but the latest issue in the Jessica Lundsford case brings up a good question. Her father is filing a law suit indicating that the local agency was advised a predator was living nearby, that he may have a warrant and they wanted something done, but nothing was done. There are other details that make this case different, but what I draw a parallel to is this. Is there a difference between a citizen (or group of citizens) pushing for action against a predator or suspected predator, and an entity like NBC pushing for action. Again there are differences in the two cases; I just didn"t want to take up extra space.

On one hand Law Enforcement has a duty to act (with responsibility) to protect all of us, but when is the act clouded by the pressure of a citizen or entity pushing for action. Does the issue of ratings for NBC lessen the need for action? Or is it the excuse when the results are negative. I"ve heard two different statements from family members about new stop signs. One said, "I"m glad they put it there before some got hurt" and another said, "They only put it there to generate revenue." Same stop signs, but cleary two different responses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 02/27/2008

So the ends justify the means... as long as it's on somebody else I'll bet. I suppose you also approve of illegal wiretapping and throwing Habeas corpus out the window also. Breaking the law to enforce the law has no place in America.

I want predators off the streets as much as anybody else¦ BUT... there is something wrong with a "sting" funded by a commercial TV station, a "sting" that can arguably teeter on being illegal and has earmarks of entrapment¦ and then be televised FOR PROFIT!

Make no mistake MSNBC is in this for the MONEY¦ PERIOD!

I hope they win the suit. This type of media journalism is repulsive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 02/27/2008

raw6464 I"m not sure if you are posing another element to my post that I did not mention or if you are criticizing it.

Regardless, I"m not taking NBC"s side. And, I"m not saying the ends justify the means. I did add LE has to act responsibly. This would mean following the law and not violating anyone"s Rights. I was not saying LE could do what ever it takes or what ever LE wanted to. I also posed the question of when is an act by LE clouded by outside pressure. This shows my speculation on the execution of the act, again posing a question, not a statement of support for the act.

You said, "There is something wrong with a "sting" funded by a commercial TV station, a "sting" that can arguably teeter on being illegal and has earmarks of entrapment and then be televised FOR PROFIT!" Was this "sting" funded by NBC? I don"t know. Did they pay Perverted Justice? Did they reimburse LE for the officer"s time? I don"t know. I did ask if there was difference between an entity, like NBC, or a citizen pushing the issue. It seems your stance is yes¦I did not take a stance. Does an entity loose the right to report a crime because they a for profit entity? I just posed the question. It"s like asking if it is fair or unfair for a pro football team to run up the score on an opponent. Just posing the question does not mean I support the act¦it means I have question too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/27/2008
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