Clinton Camp Presses Super Delegates Not To Take Sides

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First Posted: 02-27-08 12:03 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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For weeks, the Barack Obama campaign has warned that Hillary Clinton would try to use her ties to the Democratic establishment to muscle 'super delegates' into backing her presidential bid, overriding a popular vote majority and Obama's plurality of pledged delegates elected in primaries and caucuses.

Now, however, as Obama has gained steadily in the polls, the Clinton campaign has reversed field. Top Clinton aides are pleading with uncommitted super delegates to hold off making any commitments, fearful that any commitments they make would be to back Obama, not Clinton.

A set of talking points emailed to Clinton supporters within organized labor describes the arguments to use on uncommitted super delegates. In the email, the Clinton campaign suggests telling the uncommitted delegates that "it would be unfair and unjust to cut off the nominating process now. There might come a time when the process needs to come to a close, but that time is not now."

In language that could have been lifted from the Obama playbook just a few weeks ago, the email says Clinton backers should make the case to super delegates that: "If House, Senate and DNC members try to end this process now, it would be very damaging to those institutions, the Democratic Party and our chances in November."

The entire DNC, members of Congress, governors, labor leaders and other key interest group leaders make up the 842 "automatic" or "super" delegates to the convention who are free to cast ballots for the candidate of their choice, regardless of how their state voted. To win, a Democratic candidate must have the support of at least 2025 delegates out of a total of 4048; 20.8 percent of the delegates are super delegates.

Just over three weeks ago, on February 6, Obama was the one warning that the super delegates might side with Clinton, even though he was ahead in the popular vote and in the pledged delegate count:

"If this contest comes down to superdelegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. . . . The argument we would be making to superdelegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that's going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election."

Clinton and her aides, three weeks ago, were, in turn, adamant in defending their efforts to persuade super delegates to endorse the New York Senator.

On February 16, Clinton told reporters that super delegates have "first-hand knowledge of the candidates" and "if people want to go after delegates in places that I've won who are supporting somebody else, what's good for the goose is good for the gander." At the time, Clinton had a substantial lead among super delegates. One estimate on February 8 gave her a 213 to 142, a 71 vote advantage.

More recently, however, the trend among super delegates making endorsements has been decidedly in Obama's favor; he has picked up the support of 35, including three who switched from Clinton. The Clinton campaign did not respond to queries as to how many super delegate endorsements she has picked up in recent weeks. The most recent super delegate count on RealClearPolitics shows her lead among super delegates dropping to 59, 241-182.

The count among pledged delegates chosen through primaries and caucuses is 1193 for Obama and 1038 for Clinton, or a 155 vote in favor of the Illinois Senator. Obama has so far won a total of 10,305,403 votes, according to RealClearPolitics, to Clinton's 9,379,822, a difference of 925,581 votes.

In the Clinton campaign's talking points email, Clinton supporters were told to argue that "late momentum in the primary may be an important factor impacting the perception of a candidate's strength going into the general election. If, as we expect, Hillary Clinton wins Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, the current dynamics of this race will shift dramatically."

For weeks, the Barack Obama campaign has warned that Hillary Clinton would try to use her ties to the Democratic establishment to muscle 'super delegates' into backing her presidential bid, overriding...
For weeks, the Barack Obama campaign has warned that Hillary Clinton would try to use her ties to the Democratic establishment to muscle 'super delegates' into backing her presidential bid, overriding...
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Since it's too early for Super Delegates to be taking a stand, should I await the Clinton press conference in which she releases the Super Delegates who have already sided with her, stating that she was wrong to take their support before all of the voters have spoken?

Just another sign that this entire Super Delegate deal is bogus. How about a little more small "d" democracy and a little less big "D" Democratic elite game playing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 02/27/2008

Barack Obama has become the clear choice in this election. He has shown a greater degree of good judgement and wisdom than Senator Clinton. Over the past week she has bounced between gracious, angry, mocking and dismissive. Do we really want a president whose behavior is this erratic during the campaign season to take the reins of the presidency? Whatever experience Obama lacks he makes up for in his open minded and insightful approach to problem solving, as well as his mature way of dealing with those who disagree with him. He has offered a consistent message from the outset, his tone has not changed, he has inspired a major part of the electorate and his fundraising strategy has been brilliant. He has consistently outflanked one of the most seasoned politicians in Washington. For all these reasons I believe that he will be a much more effective president than Hillary Clinton. I would hope that cybersense and the other staunch Clinton supporters have the good sense to support him in his race against McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 02/27/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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Clinton campaign: Wake up and smell the coffee. If you think that the American public -- that Democratic primary voters -- will stand by while you attempt to reverse a lost election through "insider trading", forget it. You will only reinforce the idea that you never deserved to win in the first place.

Show some dignity and grace and think of the bigger picture instead of your own selfish interests. Btw, I would be saying the same thing to the Obama campaign had the situation been reversed. I am prepared to support the candidate with the most PLEDGED delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 02/27/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Dorgan, superdelegate, to Obama today +1 (200)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 02/27/2008
- moda31 I'm a Fan of moda31 10 fans permalink

so super delegates should do the clinton's a favor and hold off on siding with the voters...u­m okay, sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 02/27/2008
- factcheck2 I'm a Fan of factcheck2 6 fans permalink

The superdelegates don't cast votes until the convention in August, so pledging now is ludicrous. Just three weeks ago, Clinton won the big Super Tuesday primaries when she placed first among 22 million Americans. That's not chopped liver, and if all those big fat blue states didn't swing for Obama then (she had a 15-20 point lead in NY, CA, NJ and MA), they may not in November, when Karl Rove launches his bi-partisan "independent" ticket. McCain is a red herring and will not even figure into the equation by then.

Another reason why superdelegates are important: The G.O.P. has organized massive crossover voting drives to defeat Hillary in the primaries. (Log onto the website Republicans for Obama and read their email appeal.) They're not going to vote for him in the fall, so this is essentially a form of election-rigging that only 796 Democratic superdelegates can counterbalance.

Finally, superdelegates are needed because Obama's longtime benefactor and co-property owner Tony Rezko is going on trial soon for multiple felonies. While the corporate media is suppressing the story now, after (and if) Clinton withdraws from the race, we will be hearing nonstop revelations about the relationship of the slumlord and the so-called agent of change. He won't be elected dog-catcher after that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/27/2008

You are delusional, my friend.

HRC "won" Super Tuesday with less than 1% of the vote. She is well behind in the popular vote, now, even including the sham "primaries" in Michigan and Florida.

There is no evidence to support the contention of "massive" Republican support for Obama. If anything, HRC is a much weaker candidate and Republicans want to face her in Nov. Moreover, you don't win Democratic primaries by 20 pts with Republicans.

There is no way Democrats don't carry New York, California, New Jersey, and Massachusettes in the fall. That would be true if Bill Richardson was our nominee.

Rezko is a non-issue that trolls fail to understand. Obama remains squeaky clean.

As a whole, your post is a deplorable hack job. Actually, the more I read it, you seem a bit tin-foil nuts. Karl Rove running an "independent" ticket????? Sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/27/2008
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factcheck2 said:

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... if all those big fat blue states didn't swing for Obama then (she had a 15-20 point lead in NY, CA, NJ and MA), they may not in November, ...

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REALITY CHECK: The latest survey of New York State shows that Obama outperforms Clinton by 10% when matched up against McCain. It also shows that her job approval rating in her home state, although still high, dropped 8% this past month.


As Democratic Race Tightens, Senator Clinton’s Job Approval Dips in Home State

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/02/21/as-democratic-race-tightens-senator-clintons-job-approval-dips-in-home-state/


I admit that it is possible that McCain won't win the Republican nomination or Rove might sponsor a third party candidate, but your suggestion that we should support Hillary because of the off chance that she might do better than Obama against some unknown opponent who is not the presumptive Republican nominee seems rather weak.


There is no question that polls taken today are unlikely to accurately predict the November results. But we must act on the best information we have available at this time even if it is not perfect. It is unwise to ignore all poll results simply because you fear Karl Rove.


It is true that Rove is already trying to thwart Obama, perhaps as part of an attempt to lengthen the Democratic primaries:


Obama's New Vulnerability

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120355939956381797.html


But Obama's real genius is in his ability to find common ground between groups of people who hold diametrically opposing views. For example, in 2006 he gave a speech full of detailed specifics of how he would address the thorny issues surrounding the separation of church and state. This has traditionally been the source of effective wedge issues for the Republicans.


IMO Obama navigated this mine field brilliantly with a path that would probably fully _satisfy_ few but would be _acceptable_ to a large majority. This is Obama's strength and power. This is why Rove fears him and why I don't fear Rove's tactics in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/27/2008
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factcheck2 said:

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... if all those big fat blue states didn't swing for Obama then (she had a 15-20 point lead in NY, CA, NJ and MA), they may not in November, ...

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Oh yeah, right. NY, CA, NJ, and MA are going to go for McCain...
wake up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 02/27/2008
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Hillary lost the debate. She tried to chew up time so that Obama would have less time to respond. She was catty and shrill, and their not sexist statements, it's fact.

Also Obama made a great point when Hillary said that he's voted like she has in the Senate regarding the war. Obama said that Hillary was the on one who drove us into the ditch and that there are only a couple of ways out of the ditch. He would not have had to vote with her (mainly for the sake of the troops), if she hadn't been so politically motivated, only thinking about her presidential bid, instead of doing the right thing.

Hillary has made bad judgments on the war, health care and running her own campaign. If she can't do any of the above well, why should she be allowed to lead the country? Haven't we all really suffered enough?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 02/27/2008
- MIHOP I'm a Fan of MIHOP 2 fans permalink

Tell it like it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/27/2008
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"Obama said that Hillary was the on one who drove us into the ditch and that there are only a couple of ways out of the ditch."

I just continue to learn so much from the posters on this site. Here all along I have been thinking that GW has been driving the bus the past seven years. Sure happy to see that GW has in the past reached across the aisle and allowed democrats to drive on occasion. Sort of makes GW look more like a Unifier in addition to be a Decider.

"... if she hadn't been so politically motivated, only thinking about her presidential bid, instead of doing the right thing."

Hmmm, sort like Sen. Obama having to admit that the subcommittee he chairs has not met since he has been too busy running for president!

Am a registered republican supporting Sen. Clinton but in a McCain/Obama contest will be supporting Sen. McCain.

McCain '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 02/27/2008
- NYC07 I'm a Fan of NYC07 66 fans permalink

No Bush held the road map, but only members of Congress can drive the bus into the ditch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 02/27/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

Interesting change if that's the best she can hope for now -- stop the bleeding. I guess they still expect any win in OH/TX can turn these guys into supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 02/27/2008
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The HILLARY "STEP DOWN WITH GRACE" CAMPAIGN

Contact the DNC to let Howard Dean know that we feel that Hillary should step down in a respectful manner since she is obvously not going to win the nomination. This would be the right gesture for her political future as well as the right gesture for the Democratic Party. Just visit: 'STEP DOWN WITH GRACE' Campaign at http://www.Blacks4Barack.org....then respectfully request the DNC to ask her to step-down. Then it will be time to concentrate on the Re-Birth Of America...­.BARACK OBAMA !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 02/27/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

One of the worst run campaigns in American history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 02/27/2008
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"One of the worst run campaigns in American history."

Wouldn't that be Julie Annie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 02/27/2008
- NYC07 I'm a Fan of NYC07 66 fans permalink

Well, They seem to be using the same plan for victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 02/27/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 86 fans permalink

There was such an arrogant assumption on the Clinton campaign's part that she would be handed the nomination that there was no thought put into it. I don't understand how they could not see that Americans were tired of politics as usual after 8 years of Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 02/27/2008
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Even if Hillary Clinton wins in Texas, Ohio & Penn., she will have to win by a huge margin to overcome the Obama lead in delegates.

In almost every case of seeing comments from a super delegate (I know one), I cannot see them doing anything but side with the candidate who is behind in the pledged delegate count. Some have even gone as far as saying they'll side with the popular vote. Wow!

So, even if Obama loses in Ohio by a few percentage points, he will only lose about 5-6 delegates to Clinton. Ditto in Texas, I believe.

Both Obama and Clinton have asked the super delegates to not take sides, yet both have been calling these people on a regular basis. The results could be that these super delegates will vote for the winner, which at this point in time looks to be Obama. I don't believe we'll see the decision coming at the convention. It will occur before that, on March 4. (If I'm wrong, I'll choose which bird to eat... or not. :>)

Whomever gets the nomination will get my unbridled full support for a November win. "Us" Dems need to win in November and sweep both houses of Congress, as well. Then, it will up to us to do the right things and clean up our country to make it better for everyone. No matter who gets the nod for the Dems and wins in November, the world will be relieved and ready to work for the necessary changes needed in the world (of which we're a significant player).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/27/2008
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The never ending hypocrisy that is Clintonian politics rolls ever forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 02/27/2008
- ljsfolly I'm a Fan of ljsfolly 6 fans permalink

OK Let me get this right. Is this the same Hillary that was all hepped up about all the superdelegates she had a while back? Wasn't her plan to take the convention and win the nominee with all the supers on her list? Strange but it does seem the multiple personality thing is looking more like it might be the real thing. The super delegates should be trashed and since we are stuck with them this time they should vote with those who voted them into office. Or they should do what many others are doing, vote for the one most likely to win the general election for the dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/27/2008
- NYC07 I'm a Fan of NYC07 66 fans permalink

OK Let me get this right. Is this the same Hillary that was all hepped up about all the superdelegates she had a while back?

No, that was one of the "Other" Hillary's, the current model is a 6.0, the Hillary who pushed the Super Delegates was Hillary 2.5 see the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 02/27/2008
- Dahveed I'm a Fan of Dahveed 4 fans permalink

After her incompetent lecturing and whiney "why's everybody pickin' on me" performance last night, look for Hillary to get blown out in Texas and Ohio!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 02/27/2008
- bIgTeX I'm a Fan of bIgTeX 2 fans permalink

I am from Texas and I voted Obama a week ago. All the people I know are voting for Obama.. White, Black, Brown, Red and Yellow.. both Male and Female... it should be quite a blow out in deed!! but she will never quit... she is hopped up on goofballs or something.­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 02/27/2008

Congrats to the people in Texas. Our fate is in your hands now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 02/27/2008
- cybersense I'm a Fan of cybersense 8 fans permalink

Sorry bigTex, this is just not so....
There are far too many that think Obama can't do this. He sounds good, but he will blunder in the big race, and the Republicans have far too much time creating a strong suit against him. Big or small, colored or not. There will be a fight, and Hillary is not easily bullied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 02/27/2008

I live in Dallas. Everyone that I know is voting for Sen. Obama also. On our local news coverage, when they speak to voters, they say they are voting for him also, even the hispanics. Hillary will surely have a hard time in the big cities: Dallas, Austin, San Antonio and Houston.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 02/27/2008
- cybersense I'm a Fan of cybersense 8 fans permalink

She wasn't whinning..­..she is calling them out.
Hey, there is a huge support that is standing and waiting to cast their vote for her. More then you know. They are letting Obama say what he wants, but it's too much of a gamble with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 02/27/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

You better hope they actually show up to vote because if she loses Texas OR Ohio this pooch is screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/27/2008

She has some ardent supporters, no doubt. But not enough of them, and she won't win anyone over by whining or "calling [people] out."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 02/27/2008
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

Let the flood begin!

I'll bet a whole lot of super-delegates have doctor appointments for severely twisted arms this week!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 02/27/2008
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