Confidential Study Suggests Tougher Words For Dems On Immigration

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First Posted: 02-29-08 10:10 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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Democrats may soon be taking a tougher public position on immigration, according to a confidential study put together by key think tanks close to the party leadership.

The study urges Democrats to adopt more rigid rhetoric when discussing immigration by encouraging office-holders to emphasize "requiring immigrants to become legal" rather than stressing border enforcement and the opening of a path to legalization for the undocumented already here.

Implicit in the report is the notion that Democrats can win wider public support for immigration reform by framing the issue in harsher-sound verbiage and, perhaps, policy.

This message places the focus where voters want it, on what's best for the United States, not what we can/should do for illegal immigrants.

Titled "Winning The Immigration Debate," the study was put together by the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform and the Center for American Progress. Its findings, which have been sent to Capitol Hill and have been part of briefing sessions in both the House and the Senate, are based off of polling conducted by Peter Hart Research Associates.

Taken as a whole, the report presents a new prism through which the Democrats should approach the immigration debate. "It is unacceptable to have 12 million people in our country who are outside the system," it reads. "We must require illegal immigrants to become legal, and reform the laws so this can happen."

Polling for the study revealed that a larger swath of the public was supportive of "requiring" undocumented immigrants already in the country to normalize their status than there was for only offering them legalization as an option. In addition, the report pushes Democrats to argue that immigrants should be required to pay taxes, learn English, and pass criminal background checks to remain in the country. Those who have a criminal record should be deported. All of these policies were included in last year's immigration reform compromise legislation, which ultimately failed.

"Our view is that this argument threads the needle in favor of comprehensive reform in the most effective way," Jen Palmieri, communications chief for the Center for American Progress, told the Huffington Post.

Added Cecilia Muñoz, senior vice president of policy at the National Council of La Raza and chair of the board at CCIR: "We are not asking people to be for legalization out of altruism. It is perfectly okay for them to be for legalization because that is what fixes the problem... Rather than educate [the public], you can convince them to do the right thing if you call it a requirement as opposed to an effort."

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And yet, for some, the new frame represents exactly the wrong direction that the Democrats should be taking, reinforcing the notion that immigrants were problematic and "the offenders."

"There has been no consensus around the Democratic rhetoric in regard to immigration," said one party official who had knowledge of the report. "But it has usually been framed around opportunity, and it was less framed around this punishment rhetoric. We are going to require these people to become legal or we are going to deport [them]? It doesn't challenge the immigrant scapegoating direction of the conversation. It plays right into it."

In support of their new message, the study notes that 88 percent of all voters as well as 84 percent of Hispanic voters had a favorable response to "requiring illegal immigrants to become legal, obey U.S. laws, pay taxes or face deportation." Those numbers changed to 66 percent and 87 percent, respectively, when it was merely "allowing" illegal immigrants to receive earned legal status.

"My sense is that the public is in a fairly tough mood about immigration though not as tough as Lou Dobbs is every night," said Guy Molyneux, who conducted research for the report.

On the campaign trail neither Democratic candidate has deployed the argument that immigrants should be "required" to obtain legal status. Both, in fact, have discussed immigration policy in a frame that the CCIR/CAP report discourages.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, her website reads, "believes comprehensive reform must have as essential ingredients a strengthening of our borders, greater cross-cooperation with our neighbors, strict but fair enforcement of our laws, federal assistance to our state and local governments, strict penalties for those who exploit undocumented workers, and a path to earned legal status for those who are here, working hard, paying taxes, respecting the law, and willing to meet a high bar."

And in the Democratic debate at Saint Anselm College on June 3, 2007, Sen. Barack Obama argued, "We want to have a situation in which those who are already here, are playing by the rules, are willing to pay a fine and go through a rigorous process should have a pathway to legalization. Most Americans will support that if they have some sense that the border is also being secured."

Democrats may soon be taking a tougher public position on immigration, according to a confidential study put together by key think tanks close to the party leadership. The study urges Democrats to a...
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- tomt I'm a Fan of tomt 8 fans permalink

And, that might be good policy . . . helping emigrants through the process of becoming legal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 02/29/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 43 fans permalink

If I am not mistaken the process begins with a prospective immigrant applying to the nearest US embassy in their country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 02/29/2008
- mansky I'm a Fan of mansky 2 fans permalink

I wish more bloggers would get involved in this issue. The more discussion (intelligent discussion) from all sides, the better the solution. The Dems should be working fast on this issue.

The mood of the country is against immigration. We are lucky to run against McCain, whose position is not far away from the Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/29/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 43 fans permalink

Yes. Almost any one of the disasters we see coming will destroy us, they are simply too enormous to allow to occur. It's boiling down to which disaster will be the least painful. I guess being overwhelmed by illegal immigration is the one. If we can stand for 10% of Mexican poor, I guess China and India can send us 10 % of their poor. What's 200 million people more when we already number over 300 million.....

Heh, is the US a net exporter or importer of food? (Hint: Think China and contaminated foods)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 02/29/2008

2050 white whos paying everything for this country will be minority MEAN MINORITY STILL PAYING MAJORITY WELFARE IN 2050 ...?THIS COUNTRY REALLY SUCKS UP SIDE DOWN free loader will destroy everything drug cartel will be in congress

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/29/2008

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS WANT ALL ILLEGAL MOVE HERE SO THEY CAN VOTING FRAUD , THE MORE U COME THE MORE I GET TO WH ...MANY ILLEGAL VOTE NOW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 02/29/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 43 fans permalink

"anythinggoes"?? Guess so; in your case, literacy and sanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 02/29/2008
- jmsk I'm a Fan of jmsk permalink

Oh, so it wasn't a good idea at the TX debate for Hilary to declare that
those committing crimes here should be deported and that EVERYONE
ELSE (her words) should be able to stay and be legal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 02/29/2008
- tgood I'm a Fan of tgood 8 fans permalink

And the source of this study ? It's laughable. Talk about self-serving. When the "grand amnesty plan" was being hatched last year, LaRaza and other Latino groups had representatives allowed input. NOT ONE person, NOT ONE group opposing this amnesty was allowed to say anything or participate in any shape or manner when it was discussed behind closed doors.

Take a look at who the board members are for the group that created this "study" :

Board members:

Cecilia Munoz, Senior Vice President of the National Council of La Raza
Frank Sharry, National Immigration Forum
Deepak Bhargava, Center for Community Change
Chung Wha Hong, New York Immigration Coalition
Eliseo Medina, SEIU
Tom Snyder, UNITE HERE

All open border, amnesty advocates. Is there still a democratic party or have they already run up the Mexican flag ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/29/2008
- StaggerLee I'm a Fan of StaggerLee 4 fans permalink
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What's the difference between "normalizing their status" and giving them amnesty? Sounds like a distinction without a difference to me, but what do I know, I'm just a dumb white man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/29/2008

I gotta go with you on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/29/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

During a CNN debate Obama got a call-in question from a black woman complaining about all the illegals coming into our country competing for jobs and lowering wages for working Americans. Obama answered the woman saying"We don't want to be scapegoating undocumented workers here", because he was trying to PANDER for hispanic votes before the California primary. He was really just flip-flopping because in 2006 he told a crowd of people that the illegals were competing for jobs and driving down wages. Obama just loves taking both sides of every issue, that way he can please all the people all the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 02/29/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

"""""Obama just loves taking both sides of every issue, that way he can please all the people all the time."""""

yes, like 99.99% of ALL politicians......Only Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, Paul and a few others ACTUALLY make stands for their positions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 02/29/2008
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I wasn't a Obama supporter before this but his answer this very legit question was a deal breaker for me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 02/29/2008
- tgood I'm a Fan of tgood 8 fans permalink

Isn't it ironic that LaRaza is being asked for their input when they're one of the largest race baiting groups in the U.S. ? I live in a sanctuary state and a sanctuary city , Houston, Texas and our property taxes are astronomical already from having to support the illegal aliens with education and health care.

LaRaza, "The Race" has a goal---nobody but Latinos matter. I've never seen a nation with so many people who are willing to sit back like sheep and let these kinds of racists demand and receive what they want.

Immigration reform my behind. Those who are for open border are traitors to this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/29/2008
- misterbone I'm a Fan of misterbone 18 fans permalink

Why are they traitors? Because your taxes are too high? Maybe if we legalized these folks, their payroll taxes will help alleviate your tax burden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/29/2008
- tgood I'm a Fan of tgood 8 fans permalink

Since when do low wage earners support the economy ? What they pay in taxes, they get back through earned income credits and refunds. They actually can and do receive more back than they take in. Amnesty just opens up even more benefits.

Towns and cities that have been impacted the greatest have shown their budget needs drastically increase while the tax revenues remained the same. Does that sound like a plus ? Even Texas with it's open border advocate governor, had a study done that showed while the state coffers increased by 2 billion dollars due to illegal aliens, the local economies lost 3 billion. In other words, the state spent the taxes on pork projects while local communities saw huge property tax increases because of constant school enrollment increases, health care, etc. Last here in Houston, just this one county, it cost taxpayers $222,000,000.00 just for the health care for illegals.

You can legalize the 12-20 million illegal aliens, but that will do nothing to stop another 12-20 million from coming in that want the same thing those already present want. Employers are after the cheapest labor possible. They will continue to be the magnet. Legalize the illegal aliens here and watch the unemployed ranks grow. You just aren't understanding the mindset. It's the illegal, cheap, under the table workers employers want---not people who get citizenship. The borders of Texas aren't to be believed. The media refuses to mention the problems of this invasion except in passing but when you live with this growing crisis as we are, you see what is happening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 02/29/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

"
NOBODY BUT LATINOS MATTER"

this is the looming fault-line. This fall LaRaza is launching an add campaign that will once again polorize the nation.Americans will come to realize that Mexicans care only for Mexican issues,single issue voters, if you will. Being in construction for 30 years I know the real life consequenses of this foreign invasion. Or maybe I don"t. Geraldo told me on Fox todday that I"m "low end intellectually" for not moving on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 02/29/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

To speak directly to the issue,I never understood why dems would sacrifice their blue collar base for an enthnic base.Since the straight from the border to the voting strategy isn't in the cards soon, this looks like a more sound political strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 02/29/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

Ever wonder how we got to a place where it's politically risky to stand up for american citizens and defend american sovoreignty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 02/29/2008
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Ever wonder who owned the South West before 'Americans' took it?

With your attitudes, we wouldn't allow Indians off their reservations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 02/29/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

not really. first claimed as soveriegn spanish territory,then Mexican, then U.S. Sound about right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/29/2008
- misterbone I'm a Fan of misterbone 18 fans permalink

Yes, and it's clear to me that notions of "citizenship" and "sovereignty" are quickly becoming irrelevant in a global economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/29/2008
- Jey I'm a Fan of Jey 7 fans permalink

Aren't we all immigrants? I know my ancestors came from France and England so that would make them immigrants. Isn't that what America stands for is the Land of Opportunity. Are we so arrogant that we think were better than others? Of course we do, that's what's wrong with America. Our arrogance is so grand that we couldn't see a pile of poop if it was dropped in front of us. God Bless the World.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/29/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

And their ancestor's came from Asia,including Persia. this arguement is hardly worth the response,but it can't be helped. Grow a spine,Stand for something! This is America-not Whatever!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 02/29/2008
- AKJM I'm a Fan of AKJM 19 fans permalink
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Democrats should denounce and reject this biased study from the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform and the Center for American Progress, they are pushing amnesty; Americans have again and again said NO AMENESTY. The winning reelection strategy would be to advocate border security and employer sanctions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 02/29/2008
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Sure worked for Romney...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/06/2008
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The whole illegal immigration issue is a major wedge issue that many in the GOP want to exploit.

The Democrats should be firm and consistent in not allowing racism and false patriotism be used

against their candidates. This is not just a Presidential election year, it is a wipe out the GOP year.

Bill Richardson should be our VP candidate for his Latino leadership, administrative experience

and his international relations expertise. We win super majorities to accomplish deBushification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/29/2008
- AKJM I'm a Fan of AKJM 19 fans permalink
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ST2P, I love your post, and most make great sense.
But here you denounce racism but advocate Richardson as VP for his Latino roots.
We are not anti Latino, we are against masses of illegal immigrants, Asians, Latinos, Europeans,
who overwhelm the school system, the social service system, who DEPRESS wages, and increase taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 02/29/2008
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Thanks for your comments.

I am not anti-WASP since I'm not into self-loathing and I'm not into White guilt either.

I want a real ethnic representation in government because I want everyone to feel

like they are in the same boat. I also want the Hispanic vote to be taken from the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/29/2008
- Grrr I'm a Fan of Grrr permalink

I live in the south where "states rights" has been for over 150 years Republican code for hatred of blacks, just as "illegal Immigration" is their new code for hatred of MEXICANS---not Asians or certainly not Europeans. This entire paper tiger charade is about RACISM. So let us as a nation resolve to call it what it is....fear and hatred of MEXICAN (illegal) immigration. I'm still not convinced that most whites really even care about the illegal part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 02/29/2008
- jumperpin I'm a Fan of jumperpin 10 fans permalink
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The core problem is ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS. Moreover, the concept of "guest workers" has no place in a post-slavery democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/29/2008
- jbeach I'm a Fan of jbeach 16 fans permalink

Thank you.

Sure seems like law-breaking is never a problem the bosses get called on, is it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 02/29/2008
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I'm with you on the need to protect fair wages, because thats in the best interest of citizens and immigrants, but even while some employers do exploit workers, some people in the southwest just need people who can work (retires aren't building their own houses).

There are fewer people unemployed than there are unauthorized workers, so the problem can't all be the employers, the problem is a system that doesn't allow as many people in as there are jobs. Until that happens, the system is hurting citizens, immigrants, and businesses that are trying to do things the right way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 03/06/2008

Illegal Aliens and Immigration is NOT the same thing. Immigrant is a legal status granted by a sovereign country. We have to many folks who do not know and are ignorant or outright deceivers, confusing illegal alien workers calling them illegal immigrants with immigrants. Criminals did NOT build America; Citizens and LEGAL immigrants built it. American’s want an end to anarchy! This is NOT a Democrat, Republican, Independent issue. It's an American Issue.

Illegal aliens are criminals, those who hire them are criminals and those who aid-and-abet them are criminals.

Illegal aliens in America have NO rights. We are required by law to arrest and prosecute, deport them. (Title 8 U.S. Code) To report illegal aliens call the DHS National Hotline 1 866 DHS 2ICE. (1-866-347-2523)

No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/29/2008
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