Good points

Right on!

The real antiArabs commit ad hominem attacks for GIYUS, Give Israel Your United Support, using megaphone desktop tool, wikipedia, and work world wide to ad hominem attack others that support peace in the world through stopping Israel's wars on Palestine, Lebanon, etc.

johnct and his gang attack all who point out truth. His people work blogs for Israel Propaganda ministry and are anti-Arab.

You are on the right track. The U.S. foreign policy is influenced by extremists rightwing Zionists, both Christian and Jewish. Israel is engaged in terrible crimes against the Palestinians and the U.S. is culpable in those war crimes due our support of successive criminal regimes in Israel.

A novel idea, and it might work except for oil. As I see it the deal is we approbate Israel's thief of farmland and we get to steal the oil.

Nice to see so many educated people on this post...you are right on brother!

Now there is a solution. Let's just nuke each other out. No more people, no more war. I like this simple solution.

And I think you should learn how to spell Palestine, before your instructions can be taken seriously.

Another one worth mentioning is the Madagascar Plan. If only Israel were an island.

You are so right. And if you acquaint yourself with the actual history of the region, at least as far back as 1915, you'll be able to draw a straight line from then to now. And all the branches of the tree will be clear. That's why I always think of it as World War Part One, Part Two, and Part Three - the phase we've been in since 1945.

" If you intend to comment on Israel and Palistiine .... "

You better get by the censors.

And Gertrude Bell.

According to US law, any military aid to any foreign government is conditional on that aid being used to purchase no less than 75% of the supplies or services paid for by said aid to be from American sources.

In effect, they are giving Israel (and nearly the same amount to Egypt) money to buy AMERICAN WEAPONS FROM AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS.

There is no free lunch.

Suspension of military aid would be a good start but don't think for a moment this will ever happen. I hate to sound negative about either of the Democratic hopefuls but if Obama has a serious weakness it is with his attitude toward the Middle East. In the last debate he stated categorically that the US alliance with Israel is "sacrosanct," which means inviolable or most sacred and holy. Considering that Obama is sometimes called however falsely a Muslim with Iranian sympathies anyone who believes for a moment that this man will ever show weakness for Israel is simply dreaming. I'll wax cynically for a moment. Let's presume that Democratic opponents have privately conceded that McCain has no chance in November (this isn't difficult to believe) but they want to make sure as much of US foreign and trade policies remain "sacrosanct;" what would be an affective way to do this? They indirectly compell that front runner into forcefully espousing and adhering to policies that they prefer. Paint Obama as a Muslim, it forces him to forcefull to defend Israel and current US policies as a way to demonstrate that he isn't. Whether this is true or whether Obama truly believes US Israel policy is sacrosanct, his words indicate that our policies aren't going to change with a new administration. It's very discouraging because they must change if there is ever to be hope for peace in the MIddle East and why our so called leaders fail to understand this is rather interesting.

2.55 billion? Best money we'll spend all year.

Your leaving out the fact that the increase of aid to Israel is in direct response to the 20billion in military aid that we just promised to the Saudis. over the same period of time.

If you remember, 9/11 was the result of a plan by a Saudi national, using money from Saudi charities to use Saudis to hijack airplanes and crash them into buildings. If we can give the Saudis 20 billion in military aid, we can increase aid to Israel.

It would be fine by me if we gave none of those countries money, but since our petrol economy hands tens of billions of dollars annually to countries that make a national policy out of hating Israel, the aid we put on top of that is small change.

As a last point, previous to the decision to give 20 billion to the Saudis, Israel had been decreasing every year for the last 10 years

Interesting web referral, tbone99. It would seem to be such a simple conclusion: to stop the killing...stop the killing. Vengence begets vengence creating war without end. The only benefit is to the war machine that asborbs resources like a dark hole, diminishing all quality of life as it expands. When violence and death become the accepted norm of daily life, does it then become acceptable, or even expected, that mankind may extinguish itself eventually? I'm encouraged that there are voices of reason and possibility, even though mostly unheard, in the chaos of this world today.

not as long their land is occupied. Why should they recognize an entity that refuses to recognize their sovernty in return?

You know how Hezbollah was formed? Something to do with Israeli occupation of S. Lebanon, and were funded by Khomeini after Iran threw out the Wests idea of a nice guy the Shah.

Plus Lebanon was a piece of Syria carved off by the French so they could have vineyards with a sea view.

The whole area is a mess, from collapsing empires rose a human tragedy. Nothing has been done since to try and stabilise the whole region.

Bombing and invading the area just made matters worse.

I think its incurable for many generations to come.

The inherent nature of all the radical groups in the mideast is that they are bound together by their anti-semitism and anti-zionism, reading some of the posts here, I fear we may have some sympathizers in America. But, to answer your question, under a so-called Fatwa (religious edict) the highest ranking Wahibi mullahs have stated that not only does Israel not have the right to exist, but the citizens and any of their allies military and non-military are fair targets. Recently, a meeting of Islamic leaders was held in the UK outside the control of the Saudis and a unanimous vote was held concluding that terrorism was against the Islamic doctrine - this has been denounced by the Arab controlled clergy in Saudi Arabia.

I don't know the answer for sure, but my guess is that Hamas would accept Israel as pre-1967 Israel. At least Carter implies that in his book. But, since you declared his book worthless (without reading it, I suppose), that might not satidfy you.

On the whole, this business of recognizing Israel's "right to exist" is not much more than a talking point. Who cares if someone recognizes their right? Israel exists, and will continue to exist.

On that same topic, Saudi Arabia doesn't recognize Israel either, but Bush has no problem kissing any of them, passionately.

You've got a lot of room to talk, since you violated our fucking airspace over Roswell in 1947.

Huh?

Your statement is like a badly done 'Magic Eyes' picture.

No matter how long I stare at it, I can't make any sense of it at all.

The real antiArabs commit ad hominem attacks for GIYUS, Give Israel Your United Support, using megaphone desktop tool, wikipedia, and work world wide to ad hominem attack others that support peace in the world through stopping Israel's wars on Palestine, Lebanon, etc.


A gang attack all who point out truth. JohnCt and his people work blogs for Israel Propaganda ministry and are anti-Arab.

lol. OK. Now you can land on any space-port you wish.

Jewish Legion ( Hagdud Ha'ivri, Gdud Ha'ivri) - Volunteers in the British Army organized by Ze'ev (Valdimir) Jabotinsky and Joseph Trumpeldor, who initiated the idea, signed up 500 volunteers and with the help of Colonel John Henry Patterson eventually persuaded the British to form first the Zion Mule Corps and then the 38th - 42 battalions of the Royal fusiliers. They served with distinction on several fronts and helped the British conquer Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. David Ben-Gurion was among the many volunteers in the Jewish Legion

Yeah, I agree. With the Mossad's history of "false flag" operations, it wouldn't surprise me that they have infiltrated Gaza and caused some of these attacks themselves. After all, most of them very ineffectual anyway...

"Six Israelis were wounded, all but one of them slightly, in rocket fire that reached as far north as Ashkelon, 11 miles from Gaza."

In fact, from the Palestinian point of view, these attacks are useless in changing the balance of power. They do very little damage and only succeed in bringing retaliation on themselves.