Ahmadinejad: US Fueling Iraqi Violence

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QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA and JOHN AFFLECK | March 2, 2008 05:29 PM EST | AP

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, left, and his Iraqi counterpart Jalal Talabani hold hands during a welcome ceremony in Baghdad, Sunday, March 2, 2008. Ahmadinejad arrived Sunday in Baghdad for the first-ever trip by an Iranian president to Iraq. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

BAGHDAD — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on an historic trip to Baghdad Sunday that America fueled the violence in Iraq, portraying his nation as a close friend of the neighbor it once fought in a bitter eight-year war.

Ahmadinejad, the first Iranian president to visit Iraq, disputed U.S. allegations that Tehran is training and equipping Shiite militias there. The American presence, he said, was responsible for drawing terrorists.

"The Iraqi people do not like the Americans," Ahmadinejad said at a press conference with U.S.-backed Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in the Green Zone _ the heart of the American diplomatic presence.

"Six years ago, there were no terrorists in our region. As soon as the others landed in this country and the region, we witnessed their arrival and presence," Ahmadinejad said Sunday night after meeting Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, the leader of Iraq's largest Shiite political bloc.

The trip by Ahmadinejad, who once fought Saddam Hussein's Sunni-dominated regime as a member of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, was a dramatic illustration of one of the unintended consequences of the 2003 U.S. invasion _ the replacement of Saddam with Shiite forces closely allied to the cleric-led Islamic republic next door.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, a Sunni Kurd, greeted Ahmadinejad with an honor guard and a band that played both countries' national anthems. The two held hands at the red-carpet welcome ceremony in a traditional display of friendship. Talabani told Ahmadinejad to call him "Uncle Jalal," as he known in Iraq's Kurdish north.

Talabani said he and Ahmadinejad discussed economic, political, security and oil issues and planned to sign several unspecified agreements.

"We had very good talks that were friendly and brotherly," Ahmadinejad said. "We have mutual understandings and views in all fields, and both sides plan to improve relations as much as possible."

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Then he cut through the Green Zone to visit al-Maliki in his Cabinet offices.

The sprawling, American-controlled zone contains a massive new U.S. embassy and is heavily protected against occasional rocket attacks, which the Americans have blamed on Iranian-backed Shiite extremists.

Ahmadinejad denied the charges at least twice during the day.

"Such accusations increase the problems of the Americans in the region," he said.

Al-Maliki said Ahmadinejad's visit was "an expression of the strong desire of enhancing relations and developing mutual interests after the past tension during the dictatorship era."

About 1 million people died in the catastrophic war that erupted after Saddam invaded Iran in 1980. But when Saddam's regime fell to the U.S.-led invasion and Iraq's Shiite majority took power, long-standing ties between the Shiites of both countries flourished again.

Ahmadinejad said he was "very pleased with his visit to an Iraq not ruled by a dictator," and stressed that Iran wanted a stable Iraq that would benefit the region.

"A united Iraq, a sovereign Iraq and an advanced Iraq is to the benefit of all regional nations and the people of Iran," he said.

He announced the dates of his visit in advance, landed at Baghdad International Airport in daylight and drove through the capital, albeit in a heavily guarded convoy, on a relatively quiet day. Iraqi forces provided security.

President Bush's visits are typically a surprise and involve trips to U.S. military bases, like his journey to an air base in Anbar province last September.

Bush said Saturday that he had advised al-Maliki to tell the Iranian leader to "quit sending in sophisticated equipment that's killing our citizens." And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, came to Baghdad unannounced to visit with commanders and Iraqi officials.

Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a military spokesman, said Sunday that the U.S. hopes the Iranian-Iraqi meetings produce "real and tangible results," which in the American view would include Iran ending its alleged training and funding of extremists.

Iraqi officials have said in recent weeks that they don't want the country torn apart in a power struggle between the U.S. and Iran.

Hundreds of protesters gathered in Fallujah, the scene of two battles between U.S. troops and Sunni insurgents, and demonstrated for an hour against Ahmadinejad's visit.

"The chieftains of Fallujah condemn the visit of Ahmadinejad to Baghdad," one of their banners read. Another 50 people demonstrated against the visit in northern Kirkuk, and tribal chieftains in the country's Shiite-dominated southern region signed a petition against the visit.

Adnan al-Dulaimi, one of Iraq's most influential Sunni politicians, called for restraint. He said the visit indicated the strong Iranian influence in Iraq but hoped it would decrease tension between the two countries.

"We call upon the United States and Iran not to make Iraq a field for their struggle," he said.

BAGHDAD — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on an historic trip to Baghdad Sunday that America fueled the violence in Iraq, portraying his nation as a close friend of the neighbor it on...
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- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

I don't know why it would surprise anyone that Iranian Shiites and Iraqi Shiites make common cause. Shittes see themselves as the true belivers persecuted by heretics and infidels. Same old religious story. Why didn't the Dubya Gang see this coming???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/02/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Iranian leaders have been dancing in the street ever since Dumbya invaded Iraq. He did what they couldn't do in years of war with Iraq--overthrow the Sunnis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 03/02/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Of course, the other irony is that the reason the Iranians couldn't defeat the Iraqis in the '80's was because the Ray-gun administration made sure Saddam had all the WMD he needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 03/02/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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I believe they invaded Iraq so they could have a base to strike Iran. It was part of the plan from the beginning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 03/02/2008

Bush's presidency is what seems to be generating so much popularity for the democrats. The people are hurting from 7 years of a presidunce. His policies on Iraq and his ecconomic policies that are responsible for the mess the nation is in now, policies which , inexplicably he and McCain are asking to be made permanent.

Like a jilted lover, people are desperate for a different direction, which raises the possibility of people electing a president on the rebound. People need to look critically at the two candidates involved (McCain isn't counted in that category...hes more of a CAN 'Tdidate) and choose the one person who will be best for the nation going forward...

And that candidate is...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 03/02/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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During his recent visit to Denmark a journalist asked Bush if he knew the capital of Denmark. "Of course", Bush replied, "everybody knows that, it's D".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/02/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

LaFeminazi See Profile I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi

The days of Empire are most certainly over, someone needs to inform DC.

Looks like the Dem's in the house will fold again just like the Senate over the 'Protect' America Act.

Someone is still asking me to vote Dem in November,?

Well they can forget that one.


I'm still asking you Femi. The Dems suck but the Repubs swallow. There will be differences. At least the Dems don't have to kiss Dobsons' sweet patootie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/02/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

I still believe Femi will come around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 03/02/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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Please girls, stop using words like "suck" and "swallow", you're making a lot of guys horny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/02/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

I aint a girl - get a life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 03/02/2008

What is interesting is that the Iranian president announced his Iraq visit in advance while the president of the United States’ visit is secret.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 03/02/2008

I wrote:
"millions of remaining Iraqis living in post-"Shock and Awe" Iraq, many children, will be faced with the choice of joining insurgents just to survive. Many will die in these conditions. This is, and continues to be the worst humanitarian disaster of our generation. How we manage this will have political and national security consequences for generations to come. This is not an aspect of the cost of war any of us should relegate to the backburner of issues on Iraq. This is the forefront, this is what wins wars, mobilizing survivors and rebuilding."

Sen. Barack Obama:

"....President Bush likes to warn of dire consequences of ending the war. He warns of rising Iranian influence, but that has already taken place....... There is no military solution that can reunite a family, or resettle an orphan child. It's time to form an international working group with countries in the region , our European and Asian friends, and the United Nations.......to expand social services for refugees in neighboring countries and to ensure that Iraqis displaced inside their own country can find safe haven....we must declare our readiness to intervene with allies to stop genocidal violence"

http://www.dcfordemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/obama-response.pdf

To have a stable government, you need a stable population. There are no shortcuts. And we cannot walk away from this or bomb them into submission when they sanely seek assistance from dangerous nations looking to further exploit the debacle. The bus IS in the ditch, and spinning our wheels calling it "progress" assures no one gets out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 03/02/2008

OK.

Why is the main thread effectively closed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 03/02/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Apparently the 15 real-humans have the day off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/02/2008

So the un-real humans are monitoring this one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 03/02/2008
- CBS I'm a Fan of CBS 18 fans permalink
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They must have had yesterday off also. Why do people insist on fixing things that ain't broke? This site is going to hell fast.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 03/02/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Dangers to Americans, oh tes

The Patriot Act

The Military Commissions Act

The protect America Act

NSPD #51

Iran comes way down the list after Pat Robertson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 03/02/2008
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NSPD51 may relieve you of your anxiety as to who to vote for.

We are one false flag attack away from declaring Martial Law

that will go on for decades until America wins the faux GWOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 03/02/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

ROFL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/02/2008

Maybe Hillary and McCain will meet with him now..Especially since they help him win control over Iraq. Which was something Iran was never able to do when Sadaam ruled. Sounds like he should their BFF...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/02/2008
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Our deluded trolls say that libs don't appreciate the dangers of IslamoFascism.

It is the greed of unbridled corporatism that has helped create all the terrorism.

Actually, we believe the real danger to America is the fear and loathing our own

ChristoFascists employ to carry out their illegal Crusade for Muslim Resources.

We are told to trade, our freedoms for security, by a complicit Press, a corrupted

Congress & a Co-opted SCOTUS that selected & protects this maladministration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/02/2008
- mommadona I'm a Fan of mommadona 187 fans permalink
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Where's CHALABI, INC fit in all this?

He stole BILLIONS from the country and from the U.S.

They invented chess,

We play checkers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 03/02/2008
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Chalabi currently is starring in an off-Broadway production of 'The Music Man."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 03/02/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Oh wow

He announced weeks before that he was going.

No need for surprise

No danger to his life.

Bush couldn't do the same thing.

I suppose its a matter of who is trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 03/02/2008

We are the foreigners, we are the occupiers. If bush thinks the Iraqis don't harbor a huge grudge against us, he is sadly mistaken. The middle-east is their territory, not ours. Our continued presence will only solidify the relation between Iran and Iraq. We are their common enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/02/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Oh the enemy of my enemy thingy. how shocking.

;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 03/02/2008
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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Bush is a dumb ignorant freak and we are all paying the price.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 03/02/2008
- Boobaloo I'm a Fan of Boobaloo 30 fans permalink

transendentilist : You are exactly right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/02/2008

Reminds me in the build up to the war, when the US was saying how hated Saddam was and how the Iraqis would help the coalition...blah...blah...blah...

When what I saw on my TV was Saddam walking among crowds of people all armed to the teeth and not one attempt on him, while Bush was so damn scared of a T-shirt.

These people are so full of shit the brown stuff in their ears aint wax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 03/02/2008
- Boobaloo I'm a Fan of Boobaloo 30 fans permalink

NewlyArrived:

Im pretty sure you dont understand the concept of a dictator; you see Saddam made those people carry guns and pretend they supported the sociopath. If they refused Saddam would've disemboweled them and raped their daughters.

And armed to the teeth? Iraq had been disarmed by the UN for over ten years so Im not sure how hold the pictures were that you were looking at.

The garbage about Iraqis throwing flowers at us was just another lie sold to us by Bush and his cabal to convince us we were liberators instead of invaders, imperialists and now occupiers. And the Iraqis who did sell out their nations, friends and neighbours have been abandoned there to rot, like the traitors that they are; after all , how would we react if thousands of Americans sold us out to China or Russia?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 03/02/2008
- Tyrione I'm a Fan of Tyrione 44 fans permalink
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Everyone here is a dense person. Iran and Iraq were once PERSIA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 03/02/2008

And Pakistan was once part of India...so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 03/02/2008
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Pretty much everything east of Jersey was once Persia. Big-assed empire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 03/02/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Was it? Oh yeah, when the British made it so.

Remnants of colonialism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 03/02/2008

Consequence of Hillary's and McCain Iraq War vote...So much for experience..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/02/2008

Oh, so now it's Hillary's war?? Who have we been ragging on for the last 5 years, concerning the war in Iraq??? It's not a democrat. We have been accusing and blaming bush and cheney (rightly so) for the last 5 years, as well we should have. It's their war. They planned it, packaged it and sold it to the American people. So now, all of a sudden it's Hillary's war???? And this is how obama is going to unite us all??? By blaming the war on a fellow dem???? Despicable, and numbskulls like you perpetuate the hate. Obama the saviour, my ass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/02/2008

So Ahmadinejad is in Iraq. He drove to the Palace, as opposed to flying, he's not getting protection from the allied forces.

If he makes it out safely, will McCain use this to bolster his claim that Iraq is safe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 03/02/2008
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