Buffett: US Essentially in Recession

JOSH FUNK | March 3, 2008 05:32 PM EST | AP

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OMAHA, Neb. — Billionaire Warren Buffett said Monday that the U.S. economy is essentially in a recession even if it hasn't met the technical definition of one yet.

Buffett said in an interview with cable network CNBC the reports he gets from the retail businesses his holding company owns show a significant slowdown in purchases.

The chairman and CEO of Omaha-based Berkshire Hathaway Inc. said millions of people have also lost equity in their homes because home prices have dropped.

"I would say, by any commonsense definition, we are in a recession," Buffett said on CNBC.

But Buffett said it's not clear how far the recession will go because that is difficult to predict.

The technical definition of a recession most economists use is two consecutive quarters of negative growth in the nation's gross domestic product.

On Thursday, the Commerce Department reported that the gross domestic product increased at a low 0.6 percent pace in the quarter that ended Dec. 31.

In the July-September quarter, the economy grew at a brisk 4.9 percent.

Gross domestic product measures the value of all goods and services produced in the United States and is the best barometer of the country's economic health.

A survey released last week by the National Association for Business Economics showed that 45 percent of economists are predicting a recession in 2008.

But Buffett said the U.S. economy will be fine in the long run.

"Over time, my children are going to live better than I do, although they don't believe it," Buffett said.

Buffett's appearance on television came on the heels of his annual letter to shareholders, which he released Friday along with Berkshire's 2007 financial report.

In the letter, Buffett predicted that the insurance industry will see lower underwriting profit margins in 2008 because premium prices are down, and the industry's luck will certainly change.

"It's a certainty that insurance-industry profit margins, including ours, will fall significantly in 2008," he said. "Prices are down, and exposures inexorably rise. Even if the U.S. has its third consecutive catastrophe-light year, industry profit margins will probably shrink by 4 percentage points or so.

"If the winds roar or the earth trembles, results could be far worse."

Buffett said Berkshire's insurance group, which includes GEICO, reinsurance giant General Re and several other firms, generated $2.2 billion net income from insurance underwriting in 2007. That's down from the previous year when it posted a $2.5 billion underwriting profit.

When Berkshire's shareholders aren't worrying about insurance profits, they're likely fretting about who will run Berkshire after Buffett is gone. The 77-year-old Buffett offered a few new clues in his annual letter and during the CNBC interview.

To replace Buffett, Berkshire plans to split his job into three parts _ chief investment officer, chief executive officer and chairman.

Buffett wrote in his letter that over the past year he identified four investment managers outside Berkshire who could take over managing the company's $75 billion stock portfolio and investing its $44.3 billion cash.

Buffett said on CNBC that none of the four CIO candidates is a woman and that very few women applied for the job.

Buffett has previously said that Berkshire's board had three outstanding internal candidates for chief executive. And Buffett's son, Howard, who already serves on Berkshire's board, will become chairman after Warren Buffett's death.

Buffett also said on CNBC:

_ That he doesn't agree on everything with his favorite presidential candidates, Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and he wouldn't want either one to succeed him as Berkshire's chief capital allocater. "I would certainly appoint either one of them to run a business, but running a business is a little different than my job."

_ On why the U.S. trade deficit is a long-term problem. "Over time, it's like eating an extra 100 calories at every meal. You don't sit down at the table and get up and everybody says 'My God, you're fat.' But if you keep doing it over time, pretty soon they'll say, 'My God, he's gotten fat.'"

_ On stock bargains now: "Certainly, I find more things to look at now than I did six months or a year ago. But I would say it's changed more dramatically in the fixed-income market than it has in the equity market."

_ On the cause of the credit crisis: "The mistake was in lending unwisely. There were a lot of dumb lending practices."

Berkshire owns more than 60 subsidiaries including insurance, clothing, furniture, natural gas, corporate jet and candy companies. Berkshire also has major investments in such companies as Coca-Cola Co. and Wells Fargo & Co.

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On the Net:

Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com

CNBC's Warren Buffett Watch: http://buffettwatch.cnbc.com


 
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In this mess Mr. Buffett continues to promote unfettered "free trade."

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/02/free-trade-and-american-consumer.html

How about some rules between unequal partners so that true free trade can survive without backlash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/04/2008

" Six years of bush with a Republican majority is what is wrong with this fiscal mess. Fortunately, a significant number of those Republican yes men were exposed as crooks, racists and perverts and run out of office in 2006. A clear Democratic majority is needed to fix the mess bush will leave us with. The republican party had complete control for years. Why didn't they implement a debt ceiling? the caveocrats of yore, couldn't stop a drafty window. Admit it, your party squandered it all. What are their accomplishments? Why would any sane person give the dead elephants one more chance? Democrats are now fired up and ready for the challenge. Just sit back, regroup, gather your thoughts,beg for forgiveness,purge your party of neocons and the very forgiving American people will give you another chance in 12 years

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 03/04/2008

NO sh!t Sherlock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 03/03/2008

Warren is right on most things. George W and Ben are using short term artificial means that accomplish nothing, only probably exacerbate the problem. Tighten your seatbelts for a rough ride!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 03/03/2008
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A couple of months ago Buffet bought a big share of Carmax ;nothing like those big gas guzzlers trading down for a song to make that cash register ring. He's known for a long time that the economy's tanking, credit will tighten up like a noose and that the home equity piggy banks ran dry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 03/03/2008
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Bush: "The U.S. is not in a recession".
That is like KEN LAY saying "Hold you Enron Stock".

I will trust Buffet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 03/03/2008

These are the times when Buffett makes money...when everyone else is running away from stocks like little girls.

His motto: Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful.

It made him rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/03/2008

It is interesting that both Warren Buffet and Steve Jobs are featured on the same page. Each one would be considered a genius and a national treasure.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 03/03/2008

Both deserve the genius label no doubt, but at what point do we ask Warren and Steve: How much is enough? Surely neither is lacking. So come on Warren and Steve how about spreading tyour fortune around...for starters, every poor kid should have a computer, donated by the two of you. When they do that then I will second the National Treasure motion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/03/2008
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Buffet is nearing his endgame and I admire the hell out of how he plans to turn the bulk of his holdings over to the Gates Foundation. Of course, I'd rather have seen it go elsewhere than to the king of greed but that decision was based on not reinventing the wheel and making Gates do all the pedaling. Genius.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 03/03/2008
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Buffet may be a financial genius, but I don't need a financial genius to tell me we're in a recession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 03/03/2008

lets wait until god tells bush that we are in a recession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/03/2008


Uh-oh...Buffett used the "C" word!

Commonsense...my favorite oxymoron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 03/03/2008

Buffet says his children will live better than he did. Maybe his children but not the majority of America. When push comes to shove Buffet is in the same game that the rest of Wall Street plays, the confidence game. Unfortunately the winds of change are a'blowin' and they are ill winds. Climate change, peak oil, peak water, peak food and the unsustainable debt this country has encumbered are all coming to bear on our country and all at the same time. This time it is different, and the magnitudes and scope of these problems are such that humanity has never before experienced them on the global scale that they will unfold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/03/2008

mmckinl; S0ort of like the Jurassic period only with no dinos. 1776

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/03/2008
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"Essentially"?

These cowards hedge everything. "Essentially in a recession"? How about, IS IN A RECESSION, mf!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 03/03/2008

The only reason the US is not "technically" in a recession already, is because the GDP and inflation numbers have been politically tweaked.

The GDP has been artificially increased by the use of imputed values for computers etc., and by creative accountants generating "production" profits out of property holdings, exploitation of natural resources, off-shore corporate holdings, and the like. We should also note the US economy is based on a trillion dollar war machine that produces little of real worth, including our chief export of weapons.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA24Ak04.html

Similarly, the true inflation rate has been tweaked downward.
Combining the tweaked inflation and GDP results in "politically correct " tweaked numbers.
do the sample math:

A 3% GDP increase with a 2% inflation rate results in a 1% GDP growth.

A 3% GDP increase with a 4% inflation rate results in a negative 1% GDP.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 03/03/2008
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While food isn't one of the commodities in the inflation index, it's the household barometer and a simple stroll down any supermarket aisle during the past year showed food at far greater than a 4% inflation rate. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/03/2008

Yep, the prices of things we actually need, like food and gasoline, are going up, while the price of things we don't really need are staying stable or going down, thanks to reduced demand. Thus, the overall view gives the appearance of low inflation, while the price of necessary goods is on the rise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 03/03/2008

If Noah is building a boat, you better expect a lot of rain. Likewise, if Buffett says were in a recession we're in one, no matter what that no-nothing in the White House says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 03/03/2008

Buffett needs to explain the situation to bush - in mono-syllabic words!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 03/03/2008


Yep. Like rich, dumb and ass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 03/03/2008

It is official that we have a recession if Warren Buffet says so, spin or no spin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 03/03/2008
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Right, larry. Who you gonna believe, Warren Buffett or your own lyin', theivin' administration?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 03/03/2008

Why would we believe Buffett, he is a greedy tax dodger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 03/03/2008
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