Earth Liberation Front Believed Responsible For Arson At Multimillion-Dollar Seattle Homes

ELIZABETH M. GILLESPIE | March 3, 2008 11:04 PM EST | AP

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Firefighters pour water onto burning houses at the scene where four multimillion dollar homes burned Monday, March 3, 2008, in Woodinville, Wash., a suburb of Seattle. A sign with the initials of a radical environmental group was found at the scene, an official said. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

WOODINVILLE, Wash. — Three seven-figure dream homes went up in flames early Monday in a Seattle suburb, apparently set by eco-terrorists who left a sign mocking the builders' claims that the 4,000-plus-square-foot houses were environmentally friendly.

The sign _ a sheet marked with spray paint _ bore the initials ELF, for Earth Liberation Front, a loose collection of radical environmentalists that has claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks since the 1990s.

The sheriff's office estimated that Monday's pre-dawn fires did $7 million in damage to the "Street of Dreams," a row of unoccupied, furnished luxury model homes where tens of thousands of visitors last summer eyed the latest in high-end housing, interior design and landscaping. Three homes were destroyed and two had minor fire or smoke damage.

Crews removed incendiary devices found in the homes, Snohomish County District 7 Fire Chief Rick Eastman said. Later, however, Kelvin Crenshaw, special agent in charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Seattle, said there was no evidence such devices had been used.

The FBI was investigating the fires as a potential domestic terrorism act, said FBI spokesman Rich Kolko in Washington, D.C.

No injuries were reported in the fires, which began before dawn in the wooded subdivision and were still smoldering by midmorning.

The sign left behind said in red scraggly letters, "Built Green? Nope black!" and "McMansions in RCDs r not green," a reference to rural cluster developments.

One alleged ELF activist is on trial in Tacoma in the 2001 firebombing of the University of Washington's Center for Urban Horticulture. In another case out of Portland, Ore., environmental activist and former fugitive Tre Arrow pleaded not guilty Monday to ecoterrorism charges and was ordered held as a flight risk and public danger.

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Investigators were not immediately aware of any evidence linking the fires to either criminal case, Seattle FBI agent Fred Gutt said.

The homes that burned were between 4,200 and 4,750 square feet, are on sale at prices up to nearly $2 million.

Builders involved with the project said the homes used "green" techniques such as water-pervious sidewalks, super-insulated walls and windows and products made with recycled materials, such carpet pads.

"We all built our houses to higher standards to try to demonstrate best practices in the industry," said Grey Lundberg, whose company CMI Homes built one of the homes that was destroyed.

Many cities have events similar to the Seattle Street of Dreams, which has been held since the 1980s. Advertising for last summer's show focused on the environmentally friendly aspects of the homes, which were smaller than some of the houses featured in years past.

"We are stunned by this event, and we thank God that each of the homes were unoccupied and that there were no apparent injuries," Seattle Street of Dreams Inc. President John Heller said in a news release.

The homes are in a development near the headwaters of Bear Creek, which is home to endangered chinook salmon. Opponents of the development had questioned whether the luxury homes could pollute the creek and an aquifer that is a drinking water source, and whether enough was done to protect nearby wetlands.

The FBI has said the ELF and a sister group, the Animal Liberation Front, have committed hundreds of criminal acts.

ELF is known for trying to cause economic damage to companies or organizations it considers to be harming the environment. The group has no organized structure or leadership; typically, autonomous cells of activists take "direct actions" such as arsons and claim responsibility on behalf of ELF.

In 2005, federal authorities charged more than a dozen people involved in an ELF cell known as "the Family" and centered near Olympia, Wash., and Eugene, Ore. The group was responsible for at least 17 fires around the West from 1996 to 2001 _ most notoriously, the 1998 destruction of a lodge at the Vail ski resort in Colorado, a fire that caused $12 million in damage.

A federal jury in Tacoma was deliberating in the case of another accused ELF activist. Briana Waters could face at least 35 years if convicted of helping to firebomb the UW horticulture building in 2001.

Waters' lawyer, Robert Bloom, asked the judge to declare a mistrial Monday morning, citing the possibility that the fires _ and their ensuing publicity _ could influence the jury.

"It is inconceivable that anybody who is supporting Briana's case could have been responsible for this," Bloom said.

The judge rejected Bloom's request.

Waters, a 32-year-old violin teacher from Oakland, Calif., is accused of serving as a lookout while her friends planted the firebomb, which caused $7 million in damage. The horticulture center was targeted because the ELF activists mistakenly believed researchers there were genetically engineering trees, investigators said.

Tre Arrow is accused of helping to destroy concrete-mixing trucks at Ross Island Sand and Gravel Co. in Portland in April 2001 and of firebombing logging trucks at Schoppert Logging Co. in Eagle Creek near Mount Hood in June 2001.

ELF has timed attacks with criminal cases in the past. A few days before Jeff Luers was to be tried in 2001 on charges he torched three SUVs at a Eugene, Ore., car dealership, ELF activists hit the same dealership again. Luers was convicted.

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Associated Press writer Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington, D.C., and Gene Johnson in Seattle contributed to this report.

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Eco-Terrorist Strike Again…and NY Times is down with The Movement!!

“Opening paragraph from the New York Times article on the eco-terrorists who burned three new homes north of Seattle today [emphasis added]:

“House Fires With a Message in the Northwest.

For people who are anti-sprawl activists — or have baser motives — a new-built house sitting empty in a previously rural area evidently makes a ripe target for an attack by fire.

Street of Dreams homes burned, eco-terrorists suspected

Photo caption: “Eco-terrorists are suspected in using explosive devises to destroy or damage several Street of Dreams show homes, which burned in Woodinville.”

From The Seattle Times:
“Officials are blaming “domestic terrorism” for fires early today which destroyed three multi-million-dollar homes and damaged two others built as part of last year’s Seattle Street of Dreams in the Maltby area of Snohomish County.

Damage was estimated at $7 million.

Explosive devices were found inside the homes. And nearby, a spray-painted sign bearing the initials of the Earth Liberation Front, challenged builders’ assertion that the homes featured environmentally responsible construction methods.

A KING-5 video showed the sign, which read: “Built Green? Nope black! McMansions in RCDs r not green. ELF” The initials “RCD” refers to “rural cluster development.”

The Earth Liberation Front has claimed responsibility for other arsons, including one at the University of Washington in 2001 for which a woman is now on trial in Tacoma.”

If E.L.F. = Terrorist, then
Environmentalist = Fascist

— Posted by Sanjong Thapa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/03/2008
- blytzd I'm a Fan of blytzd 4 fans permalink

Burning an empty house is not terrorism... ironic thing is how $7 million dollars more worth of trees will be cut down to rebuild it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 03/03/2008
- j0e I'm a Fan of j0e 6 fans permalink

ouch... great point

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 03/03/2008

ELF doesn't equal terrorist and environmentalist doesn't equal fascist. But Sanjong Thapa knows how to make a consistently irrational arguement.

Well done chap. I can't until you take us on another philosophical trainwreck.

If poorly conceived causation = long deliberation in Thapa land, I pray you take up the sanitization science of the janitorial arts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 03/04/2008

The ELF was classified as the top DOMESTIC TERROR threat in the United States by the FBI in March 2001,[7][8] and are categorised as "eco-terrorists".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 AM on 03/04/2008

As someone who has been involved in fighting off one of the RCD's (Rural Cluster Subdivision) a bit further north in Snohomish county, I'm very familiar with the frustrations that the people who already live in a rural area suffer when the developers move in and take over a neighborhood. The RCD law allows them to cram a bunch of houses on small lots (cluster) into a neighborhood that has been zoned for more dispersed populations. The theory is that this will allow preservation of the rural character by dedicating some of the land to be eternally undeveloped. But it still introduces a whole bunch of traffic and additional people into a rural neighborhood, without really taking care of the environmental impacts. And if the neighbors disagree with the development, the law is supposed to set standards that will mediate the issues and assure that things meet standards.
There are two major problems with all this: the developers have money or resources to fight back against the neighbors who don't have the money, and the County government misinterprets the law (in favor of the developers); thus forcing the neighbors to move into the court system (at great expense) to have the law enforced. In our case the final decision that we could afford was made by the County Council, politically based, and in spite of fighting politically in previous elections, we were at the mercy of the developers. It's now more fairly balanced (after two elections) but we still lose.
An irony is that some of the people who now live in our neighborhood (on a ten acre lot) moved here to escape the development down by Woodinville, and when they got here found the developers ahead of them.
Another irony is that the developers in our neighborhood apparently can't find customers because of the housing downturn, so even though they have an approved development permit they haven't started yet. So we have a reprieve. Maybe we'll have our lawyer bills paid off before they start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 03/03/2008
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We have a comparable problem in California: Rural communities near larger cities are paranoid about urban sprawl that they approve cluster developments within small areas in an effort to keep the character of the landscape intact. It's a grand idea but as you point out, do any government agencies plan for increases in traffic, light pollution, visual impacts, and a host of other affects unrelated to sprawl? Local governments in California, especially in rural areas, are so desperate for tax money that they never met a development they wouldn't approve. California environmental law is based on litigation. Citizen's groups may file appeals with their local government agency but if that agency rejects the appeal, even if the rejection is biased on based on nothing morethan a desire to approve ta project, the only recourse of citizens is litigation. It's a Hell of away to run government. This system indeed places most California citizens groups at a distinct disadvantage vis a vis developers. I expect, I am not the only one to sense frustration on the part of citizens and that this on the verge of boiling over. With rotten health care, lack of job security, decreasing ability to pay for the American dream, higher taxes on the way, and decreasing quality of life, the notion that government bought and paid for by the highest bidder may not last too much longer. I just hope that change doesn't come violently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 03/04/2008
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 21 fans permalink

Having relatives that lived in both places I echo these comments.
Interesting that I was just reading an article about something related-'McMansions future slums? I don't recall the exact title nor the magazine but I'm sure some intrepid folks can google it.
Related-the bottom like is that goverments will have to take the leap before developers do to stop it from happening. There is a reprieve with the soft housing market but developers are no patsy's they still are going like crazy to get entitlements (rights to develop infrastructure, utilities and lot subdivisions) at least in So. Calif. and in this slowdown environmental groups don't seem to be in any rush to 'buy out' any of this which, relatively could be done on the cheap-right now. And even now developers are still trying to get stupid projects off the ground google em folks-Centennial (right on the San Andreas fault) Quay Valley, Las Lomas. This is not to condemn the ELF but sometimes one can see the frustration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/04/2008
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Thats why you have a 2nd Amendment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 03/03/2008
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Why is the headline "Earth Liberation Front Believed Responsible"? Who believes they are responsible? The investigators are not speculating. Who has a motive to destroy these houses? They have been empty for a year. The mortgage debacle is causing bankruptcies right and left among builders. Doesn't it seem suspicious that a "banner" with the initials ELF might have been planted? Who does it seem might have done that?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 03/03/2008

good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 03/03/2008
- democritus I'm a Fan of democritus 4 fans permalink

Yes, exactly. I note that none of the articles ask the obvious question: were these houses fully insured at last year's prices?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 03/03/2008
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The houses were empty because they were for the Street of Dreams chairty event we have here in the Seattle area every year. No, the ELF initals were not planted. This TERRORIST group is nothing but trouble here in the Pacific Northwest. So not only have they destroyed $7million dollars in property but they have hurt the chairties that benefit from the Street of Dreams event each year. This group does nothing for the environment or anything else, they are nothing but TERRORISTS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 03/03/2008
- j0e I'm a Fan of j0e 6 fans permalink

Fine, but if burning houses down is considered a Terrorist act, will you then admit that burning crosses is Terrorism? Or militias that advocate the overthrow of the Unites States government are Terrorists? How about those who bomb abortion clinics? How about a parent that beats and mistreats a child? I'm all for the term, but it must be applied whenever a person intends to engender a feeling of terror in another. How about tasing a peaceful protester? Seems like terrorism to me. When you actually empathize with other human beings, all violence is terror. It is primitive, as are the rationalizations that lead us to believe that any violence is warranted, or some kinds of violence that causes "collateral damage" are just. Especially when you consider that the United States exports more weapons than the rest of the world combined. I am with you. Let us eliminate all varieties of terror and join together to plot a course free from fear and exploitation, where any may reach their full potential regardless of color or creed. That's what you meant, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/04/2008

Listen TabysGrandma,

Your generation fucked the younger generations, so anything you say should be suspect. You misuse the word 'terrorist' through ignorance. Your definition of 'terrorist' would include anyone who disagrees with the state. Well, you wouldn't have a country right now if it hadn't been for the terrorists who dumped tea in the harbor, or the Jeffersons, Adams, and Washingtons.

People in the Pacific Northwest have been terrorized by expensive housing developments across rural areas. And if you support that, then you're the TERRORIST!

Do you see how ridiculous people sound when they say, "You're a terrorist!"?

Take your meds and get in front of your cable TV and watch CNN and FOX and leave the real world alone. You've done quite enough already, thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 03/04/2008

Don't expect the Media to consider the much more reasonable explanation of arson for insurance purposes. The ELF is just too easy to blame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 03/04/2008
- The5thW I'm a Fan of The5thW 6 fans permalink

They might have spent less time on gilded age egomania and more time on that Air Tanker bid out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/03/2008
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Boeing moved their headquarter to Chicago, but we get your point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 03/03/2008
- esquire07 I'm a Fan of esquire07 25 fans permalink

Bravo - they should also take all the money and give the money to the poor just like Robin Hood. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 03/03/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

All that illegal wiretapping seems to be doing a lot of good...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/03/2008

it might have if dems had passed in the house instead of going on vacation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 03/03/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 408 fans permalink
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Gosh, wouldn't want them to have to get a warrant or something crazy like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 03/03/2008
- Dendroica I'm a Fan of Dendroica 30 fans permalink

They've had three bills that the President refused to sign.

Maybe it is because he's spent more days at his ranch than any other president in history?

Even Reagan worked more days than Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 AM on 03/04/2008
- falco I'm a Fan of falco 19 fans permalink

Good thing that the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorist Act was just recently passed. Just in time too! I mean, with the eco terrorists, the ricin terrorist in Vegas, and of course the crazies with the guns on campus and at fast food places, we need laws, more and more laws, to protect us from these obviously violent groups of homegrown terrorist. This could never ever be a "problem, reaction, solution" ploy to take away our guns or justify Blackwater troops on every corner. Our administration, our congressmen and senators are so lily white and pure that anyone who would accuse them of such nafarious schemes and behavior such as "problem, reaction, solution" is insane. They are sooo benevolent and caring about their constituents that creating the problem (without detection ie alphabet orgs), seeing the fear and reaction of the people and then offering the solution - banning guns, arresting "anarchists", and making our campuses armed fortresses, would never be something they would do. Thank God we are living in America....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/03/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

this all sounds a bit like a variation of the "Shock Doctrine" (Naomi Klein).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 03/03/2008
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 122 fans permalink
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blue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 03/03/2008

World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/03/2008

An anecdotal year does not a decades-long global trend make. It's pretty bold to claim that a relatively miniscule period of cooling is significant "enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years".

It is a mistake to believe that "global warming" means that every single point on the earth is going to continue -- without hiccoughs and insignificant periods of reversal -- to get hotter and hotter and hotter until it bursts into flames.

Try on the phrase "global climate change": it encourages us to avoid the fallacy of thinking about the weather in terms of a completely homogenous, uninterupted straight line to Hell.

And... I think you forgot the links.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 03/03/2008
- Dendroica I'm a Fan of Dendroica 30 fans permalink

As stated earlier, they are contradicted.

His link is poisoned by the fact that his original post was stolen from another uncredited source. At least Rush had the good sense to link to the site, which he's reproduced below.

Even the keynote speaker in yesterday's mock-conference said the earth was warming- he just didn't buy that it was man-made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 03/04/2008

There have been similar abrupt drops in temperature before. Then and now the drop was related to a strong el Nina event.

Furthermore the current drop is only a few months in duration and it is not below the 1961 to 1990 average. So I don't see how you can claim it has wiped out 100 years of warming. These blips up and down in temperature are called weather, the long-term trend is called climate change.

From NYT March 2, 2008:

“The current downturn is not very unusual,” said Carl Mears, a scientist at Remote Sensing Systems, a private research group in Santa Rosa, Calif., that has been using satellite data to track global temperature and whose findings have been held out as reliable by a variety of climate experts. He pointed to similar drops in 1988, 1991-92, and 1998, but with a long-term warming trend clear nonetheless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 03/03/2008
- Dendroica I'm a Fan of Dendroica 30 fans permalink

And yet, we've still had record deglaciation and the thinnest Arctic summer ice in recorded history.

Last year was a strong La Nina year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 AM on 03/04/2008
- Dendroica I'm a Fan of Dendroica 30 fans permalink

I thought this sounded too polished, so I "did the google".

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_022708/content/01125113.guest.html

Can't you global warming deniers ever write your own stuff? Why do you have to depend on someone else to do your thinking?

This should be taken off the board as it is illegal material, and the writer should be banned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 AM on 03/04/2008
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 246 fans permalink
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I'll bet $5 right here and now that when the smoke finally clears, 2-5 years from now, SOMEONE with a financial stake in these homes admits to setting the fire and trying to pin the blame on ELF.

In the meantime every Republican online will scream about batshit crazy treehugging environmentalists at the top of their lungs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 03/03/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

Well somebody had to be blamed and it is ELF. I doubt it was ELF. I think we needed a claim of homeland security terror. Period. Tho that is an awful pricey way to do it. But the size of those places seems exhorbant. Trouble with these towns that go "green" or what ever. They build and build and rape and pillage and build. No solar energy, no green space in the area, all roads and don't forget sidewalks. First take every tree down and then build these monster houses. That area is Greater King County...this is happening everywhere in that area. Hypocrites...but not worth burning down by a group that will be caught. Truly is a waste. But lets scream "terror". Helps the political landscape.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 03/03/2008

sounds like you are one of the radicals from the ELF who belive in this global warming junk is that true?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/03/2008

And true to form - you leftists defend them, even without any evidence.

YOU'RE ALL MIND-NUMBED ROBOTS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 03/03/2008
- kardwell I'm a Fan of kardwell 7 fans permalink

doesn't sound like wadenelson1 is defending at all. the post merely states that this could be a set up. you might re-read the post before flying off into your TRUE TO FORM MIND-NUMBED ROBOTIC reactionary name calling.

typical republican -- screw the facts, hard evidence, or appropriate investigation. let's just point the finger and throw everyone we disagree with in jail...and get our sicko jollies off while torturing them.

as for burning down houses, whomever is responsible is just plain stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 03/03/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 408 fans permalink
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It could certainly have been eco-terrorists, but I wouldn't rule out good old fashioned insurance fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 03/03/2008
- Dendroica I'm a Fan of Dendroica 30 fans permalink

Remember the old expression, "follow the money".

In these bleak times for housing, with an already accelerated rate of homes being burned by their owners, it would be stupid to suggest that the potential for insurance fraud isn't a possibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 03/04/2008
- doctordawg I'm a Fan of doctordawg 12 fans permalink

"Crews removed incendiary devices found in the homes, Snohomish County District 7 Fire Chief Rick Eastman said. Later, however, Kelvin Crenshaw, special agent in charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Seattle, said there was no evidence such devices had been used."

WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE... WHERE THERE ARE DIFFERING ACCOUNTS, THERE ARE CRIMINALS TELLING THE STORY.

This is a false flag. ELF had nothing to do with it. The owners needed a villain. Absolutely no doubt about it. These were albatrosses and they held a fire sale.

There'd better be a full investigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/03/2008
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The only house that was spared or escaped serious damage was the one that had been sold. I also saw where the insurance company is offering a $100,000 reward for info leading to, etc.

Unless Ronald McDonald is leading the investigation, this should result in a click-click for the developers and their hired hands. Maybe even the fire department itself.

The least thing they could have done is blamed it on Al Qaeda. Then we REALLY would have been fooled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 03/03/2008
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 246 fans permalink
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Three empty houses burned. Nobody died.

It was just as likely a bunch of bored high school kids as it was the ELF -- the same group that trashed Thoreau's cabin, maybe?

Or a pissed off subcontractor who didn't get paid.

But Noooooo!

We'll have a witchhunt for ELF members bigger than the one held for the Weathermen in the '60's, a group that only blew up empty buildings, and a couple of their own members.

The FBI will get RIGHT ON IT since it's DOMESTIC TERRORISM!

Meanwhile, how many people, PEOPLE, NOT HOUSES will die today in DUI related crashes.

How many uninsured Americans will let an illness go past the point of being curable, for the inability to afford a doctor's visit.

How many Americans AND IRAQIs will die in an unprovoked immoral war of aggression.

Seriously. Let's worry about three McMansions. That and Britney Spears. They make good distractions to the REAL problems in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 03/03/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

I think you have brought a good perspective to this article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/03/2008

Yeah a great perspective, condoning lawbreakers. As long as they do it against people with money it is ok.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/03/2008

Don't be fooled by domestic terrorist rhetoric. The real domestic terrorists are the people spying on you, tapping your phones, mapping your internet usage, censoring your information, and underfunding your schools and hospitals.

Wake the fuck up America. The TERRORISTS are your GOVERNMENT!

Why are Americans so retarded? Is it the water?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 03/04/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 110 fans permalink
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I bet if you looked at the ELF you find it is run by a bunch of CIA operatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 03/03/2008

Or tinhat wearing moobats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 03/03/2008

He he, you said moobats instead of moonbats.
Thats funny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 03/03/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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LOL, I'm not sure even Alcoa could keep up with the demand for foil caps needed on this thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 03/03/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 110 fans permalink
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Dear Ghost-If you would just take the time to do your research, you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only have our intelligence agencies penetrated all the various groups, but that in fact, they then rise to positions of influence within these groups. Your comment reveals your naivete.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 03/03/2008
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Now this is sad. If an enviromental group did this they did more harm to the enviroment by this act, then the house would have done. What do these people think about? I mean do they not think spewing the chemical laden smoke into the air is a good thing? They mus thtink it is something good otherwise why do it?

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