Hillary Clinton And Barack Obama Delegate Math Could Cloud Results

Hillary Clinton And Barack Obama Delegate Math Could Cloud Results

AP   |  DAVID ESPO   |   March 3, 2008 at 05:54 PM


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(Read the latest news from the Ohio, Texas, Vermont and Rhode Island primaries.)

Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton reached for the finish line of contentious Ohio and Texas primary campaigns on Monday as senior Democrats expressed concern the party could suffer this fall if their struggle goes much longer.

"I'm just getting warmed up," said Clinton, looking beyond this week's contests and shrugging off 11 straight primary and caucus defeats as well as a three-digit deficit in delegates.

The former first lady campaigned from Ohio, where she accused Obama of double talk on NAFTA, to Texas, where her new television commercial questioned his readiness to serve as commander in chief.

Obama spent his day in Texas, a state rich in military bases, where he pledged to begin the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq next year and envisioned a "seamless transition from active duty to civilian life" for men and women who leave the armed forces.

But he was shadowed by allegations that he had overstated his opposition to the North American Free Trade Agreement to win votes back in Ohio. He told reporters his campaign never gave Canada back-channel assurances that his criticism of NAFTA, which is wildly unpopular in Ohio, amounted to political posturing.

"Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to assure them of anything," he said at a news conference in Carrollton, Texas.

In addition to Texas and Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont hold primaries on Tuesday. The four races have a total of 370 national convention delegates at stake.

Obama has won 11 straight contests, and leads in the Associated Press delegate count, 1,386-1,276. His margin is greater among delegates chosen in the primaries and caucuses, 1,187-1,035, while Clinton leads among party officials, known as superdelegates, 241-199.

Obama has been gaining ground among superdelegates in recent weeks as his victories have piled up, and Clinton's support has begun to erode.

At the same time, senior Democrats have begun to speak out in private as well as public about the impact a continuation of the bruising campaign might have in a fall confrontation with Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee-in-waiting.

Several Democrats said the party's chairman, Howard Dean, told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid last week he was concerned about the possible impact of a nominating campaign that stretched through the end of the primaries in early June. Dean also said that if the party is divided going into next summer's convention, it would remain that way afterward, even if the differences were papered over in the four days in Denver, these officials said.

Dean did not suggest any attempt to intervene. The Democrats who described his comments did so on condition of anonymity, saying they had been made in a private setting.

Dean, Reid and Pelosi, all superdelegates, are neutral in the race between Clinton and Obama.

Another superdelegate, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who dropped out of the presidential race weeks ago, said over the weekend that the candidate with "the most delegates after Tuesday, a clear lead, should be in my judgment the nominee."

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, told Providence radio station WPRO during the day, "We can't go all the way through to the convention fighting with each other while McCain and the Republicans lob in whatever free shots they want." Whitehouse, a superdelegate who supports Clinton, added, "Let's see how Tuesday plays out, and then let's start thinking about how we're going to get behind a candidate."

Slightly more than 600 delegates will remain to be picked in primaries and caucuses in 10 states after this week's primaries, beginning with Wyoming caucuses this weekend and a Mississippi primary on March 11. Pennsylvania is the biggest state remaining, with 158 delegates in a primary on April 22.

The controversy over NAFTA flared after the AP reported the existence of a memo, written by a Canadian official, asserting that Obama's senior economic adviser had told him the Illinois senator's public criticism of the free trade agreement was "political positioning."

The adviser, Austan Goolsbee, said his comments were misinterpreted by the memo's author, Joseph DeMora, who works for the Canadian consulate in Chicago and attended the meeting.

Clinton campaigned from the pre-dawn hours until after dark as she made her way from Ohio to Texas in hopes of a political revival.

Her campaign released a new television commercial designed to undercut Obama's claim that he is ready to become commander in chief.

"Barack Obama says he has the judgment to be president. But as chairman of an oversight committee charged with the force fighting al-Qaida in Afghanistan, he was too busy running for president to hold even one hearing," it says.

The announcer adds: "Hillary Clinton will never be too busy to defend our national security, bringing our troops home from Iraq and pursuing al-Qaida in Afghanistan."

Obama aired a two-minute commercial in Ohio and Texas _ the same one he used before the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses that kicked off the election season _ in hopes of nailing down at least one big-state victory.

"This country is ready for a leader who will bring us together. That's the only way we're going to win this election," he says in the ad. "And that's actually how we'll fix health care and make college affordable, become energy independent and end this war."


 
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This wave of pessimism about Obama's chances seems as thin as the optimism was. Campaigns are mean. Not hitting back has, recently, cost elections. That said, the idea of Obama sticking to his message is appealing, even if it costs him the nomination. You can do worse than being compared to Adlai Stevenson. In fact, Obama might do well to borrow Adlai's line: : "If Hillary stops telling lies about me, I promise not to tell the truth about her."

But Obama as Hillary's VP? Why would he want to be a distant third in the White House? Why, as one reader asked, would he want to standing near all the crap that's going to be thrown at the Clintons - some of it vicious and some of it, probably, with a taste of truth.

Clinton has come out for John McCain over Obama, even if Coulter and Limbaugh will not. So I'm not going to vote for Hillary even if Obama would take a back room in a HRC-BC administration. I'd probably vote for a Gore-Obama ticket. That would give the job to McCain, but I think a Hillary candidacy would as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 03/05/2008
- cinemabon I'm a Fan of cinemabon 5 fans permalink

Electing John McCain, a view from the middle

No person has done more in 2008 to fracture the Democratic Party, demoralize its base, stain the character of its two leading candidates than Hillary Clinton’s organization and the candidate herself. Since January of this year, when a trend began to show weaknesses in her own campaign and strength in her nearest rival, she began a systematic attack on multiple fronts to blame everyone else for her own failures as a candidate. If that meant taking down Barack Obama and the Democratic Party, so be it. No candidate, including John McCain, has demonstrated such ambition at any cost.
So now, instead of a united party heading into Denver, we have an electorate being sliced to pieces and regionalized, by race, by gender, by issue, and by geographical location. Without any help from the Republicans, the Clintons have managed to create black versus white, male versus female, support of the war and NAFTA versus those who opposed it, and the New York machine (with its huge publishing and media empire) pitted against anyone foolish enough to challenge it. This is the legacy of the Clinton organization… and it will be the downfall of the Democrats this year. For in destroying Obama, Clinton is assuring the Republicans of filling that void with rhetoric aimed solely at her grating edge that has rubbed people the wrong way from the start of her national political life in the White House.
The counter argument is that she has a right to pursue public office… it would be noble to have a woman as President… and that Obama does not have exclusive access to those avenues. However, Obama is not out to perform such character assassination that degrades the arguments into name calling, mud slinging, and using every negative tone possible to cast on the other person’s character. These are not policy issues when you question the other person’s ability to inspire by making a mockery out of their presentation. Clinton has used the New York media in a shameful display of attack, including the cast of SNL and even the usual neutral John Stewart, who devoted half of his show last night to Senator Clinton on the eve of the election. Neither show presented Obama in any light except that of ridicule. I would expect that of Fox, not the so-called supportive media that in the past has been fair in its equal representation of candidates.
Black America can hang its head in shame this morning, knowing that Tony Morrison’s “First Black Family” has struck them in the back with a dagger while laughing all the way to the convention, having used them to the hilt, as is the best tradition of white America. For the Clintons have surly help elect Republican John McCain this year by their tactics as surly as they have indulged themselves in their ambitious but terrible delusion that a divided house can stand against a sea of troubles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 03/04/2008
- Orikinla I'm a Fan of Orikinla 4 fans permalink

If there are slightly more than 600 delegates up for grabs in the remaining primaries and caucuses in 10 states after today's primaries and caucuses, then why should any right thinking Democrat expect Senator Hillary Clinton to give up after today?

It would be stupid to advise her to withdraw and give up over 600 delegates to Senator Barack Obama without giving the American voters in the remaining states the right to choose who should be their presidential nominee.

If she wins 3 states today and goes on to win 7 more states before August, she can win the nomination.

I want Hillary Clinton to continue until the last primary or caucuses.

Please, think twice Americans before you cast your vote for the popular candidate, because what Americans need most is not a rock star President, but a lion-hearted commander-in-chief who can be the champion of the United States of America for better or for worse.

Only the best is good enough for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 03/04/2008

HERE; HERE!
(AND WHY SHOULD SHE ANYWAY AS LONG AS HER SUPPORTERS FINANCE HER CAMPAIGN. HER ROLE IS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE NOT HERSELF. I DO NOT HERE ANY PARTICULAR DEFERENCE TOWARD HUCKABEEN TO GIVE UP HIS FIGHT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 03/04/2008

IF HRC does continue she should run a positive campaign. Don't tag team with McCain on national security against Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/04/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Very scary.....­..........

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/PDFfiles/2008Election.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 03/04/2008

Wow..posti­ng all this time and never been banned...t­hen I get banned 15 times in one night!

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Hey you, stop that.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 03/03/2008

It is a technical glitch....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 03/04/2008

Hey..some I just saw some guy in a black cape and top hat running away from my keyboard..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 03/03/2008

Observe closely as I make your posts magically disappear

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Now i'll wave my magic wand and say the magic words..a la peanut butter sandwiches­...

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They're back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 03/03/2008

Sad to say, but I hope Barack goes negative and hits Hillary back. It seems difficult to make advances when he is constantly having to answer her negative claims. Barack needs to drop a political bomb in her lap so this can be over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 03/03/2008

Hey,

did huffy hire David Copperfield?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/03/2008

People, as I said earlier, we don't need a parent button, reply button or anything, just post like we were back in the good ol days before huffy had any of that high falooting stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/03/2008

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One more try.

Dear Huffington,

Re: my letter to you of about ten minutes go:

Suppose that Pickering makes a comment. Peabody comes along and replies to Pickering. Then Paddington comes along and, rather than replying to Pickering, the one that started it, he replies to Peabody. In this scenario, will any comments vanish? If so, which ones?

Again, if it's not you doing it, but a poltergeist, get us a priest.

And be quick about it.

Ever yours,
Nohat

replyReply favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 03/03/2008

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That post was derogatory to ghosts, and should be flagged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 03/03/2008

Why weren't the Hillary supporters complaining about media bias when they were pushing her and ol' Rudy as the front runners and ignoring everyone else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 03/03/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

One more try.

Dear Huffington,

Re: my letter to you of about ten minutes go:

Suppose that Pickering makes a comment. Peabody comes along and replies to Pickering. Then Paddington comes along and, rather than replying to Pickering, the one that started it, he replies to Peabody. In this scenario, will any comments vanish? If so, which ones?

Again, if it's not you doing it, but a poltergeist, get us a priest.

And be quick about it.

Ever yours,
Nohat

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 03/03/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Nochnoi, it's Nohat. You said it seems that we must now reply to the last posted comment, rather than the parent comment, otherwise the other comments will disappear. Did you mean to say it the other way around? I.e. we must reply to the parent comment rather than the last reply posted? Replying only to the parent keeps the discussion more focused, and it might even cut back on the number of 'fights' between posters; given all that, maybe that is what Huff is after. Who knows what their reasoning is? I will write them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 03/03/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Dear Huffington:

Please tell us---about 150 of us--- about any changes you have made to your comment system, especially with regard to direct reply... where Peabody posts something and Pickering wants to respond to what Peabody said, rather than simply making a comment.

All day posts have been snatched away never to be seen again, and, as you must know since you are monitoring our stuff, lots of people are pretty cut about about this. Either we have a poltergeist in our midst or you have made changes.

If the latter, please state what they are. If the former, get a priest.

Ever yours,
Nohat

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/03/2008
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