Obama Denies Assuring Canada on NAFTA

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First Posted: 03- 3-08 09:32 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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UPDATE: Canada's parliament took up the issue of Obama's position on NAFTA today, with Liberal leaders angrily accusing conservative Prime Minister Steven Harper of helping to leak documents that misinterpreted Obama's position. Harper distanced himself from the memo released by the Canada's Chicago consulate. Watch it:

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SAN ANTONIO — Barack Obama said Monday that his campaign never gave Canada back-channel assurances that his harsh words about the North American Free Trade Agreement were for political show _ despite the disclosure of a Canadian memo indicating otherwise.

According to the memo obtained by The Associated Press, Obama's senior economic adviser told Canadian officials in Chicago that the debate over free trade in the Democratic presidential primary campaign was "political positioning" and that Obama was not really protectionist.

The adviser, Austan Goolsbee, said his comments to those officials were misinterpreted by the author, Joseph DeMora, who works for the Canadian consulate in Chicago and attended the meeting.

In Carrollton, Texas, Obama told reporters: "Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to assure them of anything."

Asked why he had appeared to deny a report last week that such a meeting had taken place, Obama said: "That was the information I had at the time."

The original report by CTV in Canada suggested an Obama emissary had reached out to officials at the Canadian Embassy in Washington. Embassy officials artfully denied any such contact had been made with them.

As it turned out, the meeting took place in Chicago instead, with Canadian Consul General Georges Rioux and DeMora taking notes.

Obama said that one of his advisers had been invited by someone at the consulate to visit and discuss trade.

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"The Canadian Embassy confirmed that he said everything I said on the campaign trail," Obama asserted.

"We think the terms of NAFTA have to be altered" to strengthen environmental and labor protections, he said.

The memo says: "Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign."

It went on: "He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."

Goolsbee disputed the characterization.

"This thing about 'it's more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,' that's this guy's language," Goolsbee said of DeMora. "He's not quoting me.

"I certainly did not use that phrase in any way," he said.

NAFTA is widely opposed in economically depressed Ohio, which holds its presidential primary Tuesday and is a battleground between Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Clinton said Monday that Obama's campaign gave the Canadians "the old wink-wink."

"I think that's the kind of difference between talk and action that I've been talking about," Clinton told reporters while campaigning in Ohio. "It raises questions about Senator Obama coming to Ohio and giving speeches against NAFTA."

Both candidates said in a debate in Cleveland last week that they would use the threat of pulling out of NAFTA to persuade Canada and Mexico to negotiate more protections for workers and the environment in the agreement.

The memo obtained by the AP was widely distributed within the Canadian government. It is more than 1,300 words and covers many topics that DeMora said were discussed in the Feb. 8 "introductory meeting."

Goolsbee "was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy," the memo's introduction said.

"On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement."

Goolsbee said that sentence is true and consistent with Obama's position. But he said other portions of the memo were inaccurate.

In a statement, the Canadian Embassy expressed regret on how the discussions have been interpreted.

The statement said "there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA."

Goolsbee said the visit lasted about 40 minutes, and perhaps two to three minutes were spent discussing NAFTA. He said the Canadians asked about Obama's position, and he replied about his interest in improving labor and environmental standards, and they raised some concerns that Obama sounds like a protectionist.

Goolsbee said he responded that Obama is not a protectionist, but that the Illinois senator tries to strike a balance between the economic struggles of working Americans and recognizing that free trade is good for the economy.

"That's a pretty ham-handed description of what I answered," Goolsbee said of the memo's description of "political positioning." "A: In no possible way was that a reference to NAFTA. And B: In no possible way was I inferring that he was going to introduce any policies that you should ignore and he had no intention of enacting. Those are both completely crazy."

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UPDATE: Canada's parliament took up the issue of Obama's position on NAFTA today, with Liberal leaders angrily accusing conservative Prime Minister Steven Harper of helping to leak documents that misi...
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He's such a liar, and I suppose he is not xeroxing speeches either, nor has supported a farrakan loving church since 1988, nor has smoked crack... poor obama is such a victim... he is NOT presidential material in the least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/03/2008
- Jacee I'm a Fan of Jacee 18 fans permalink

Google the 90s ass, the entire DECADE is dedicated to Clinton dirt, shame, crime. Go ahead nitwit...google away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 03/03/2008
- SeekerOne I'm a Fan of SeekerOne 11 fans permalink
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Someone on this blog kept mentioning "Belinda Stronach" so I googled her. I found this UK article that was kind of stunning. I'd never heard of her. Anyway, the article claims that Bill Clinton has been seen with her a lot. Could there be a connection?

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?menuID=2&subID=578&p=2

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 03/03/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

Yeah the 90's sucked. High employment, Balanced budget, we weren't at war, we had respect and allies around the world, wages were good, great economy, stable housing market.....please, please don't make me go back to that. I couldn't take it, please. Another right wing loon or an Obama supporters obsessed with sex!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/03/2008

"victim", are you kidding me, Clinton has been screaming she is the victim for weeks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 03/03/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

An interesting question: why is the phony "leak" getting the attention? The Canadian Embassy has stated that nothing given them by Obama indicated anything different from what he has beren saying all along.
But that will probably be given out quietly after Firewall Tuesday. But the crooked meddlesome right wing bastards will have achieved their aim. These Buddies of Bush are pushing hard for Clinton!

And note that nothing new has turnedd up on Rezko but the mediaa is acting as though something has. Why? Perhaps the EXCUSE is that the case was scheduled for effect?

We knew dirty tricks were comingh. It is a contest of Dirty tricksters against human beings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/03/2008

Because Obama kept saying the meeting never happened, until the memo made it out, and then he changed his tune to say it did happen but he was missunderstood. Obama made the statement of his own free will. His words, his people, his actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/03/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

Obama supporters never address that part of the story, the one where he says the meeting never happened. It doesn't fit their narrative that there is a now a world wide conspiracy to discredit him, all planned by Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 03/03/2008

Not knowing about a meeting is not a crime!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 03/03/2008

Because Obama made NAFTA his central strategy in Ohio where he lied about Hillary's comment in a viscous mailer. Now he is caught lying and it has backfired. There is nothing phony about the memo that AP got from the Canadian embassy. You can split hairs about the details but it leaves no doubt about what the professor was trying to generally indicate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 03/03/2008

google "obama and Tony Rezko", google Rev. Wright and obama- the story that obama's LONG time preacher who he knows very well said these states quoted below. (I dont think its the kind of change that we were hoping for)
More recently, his name is becoming nationally familiar as the longtime spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, who joined the church in 1988 - a move Obama says was important to shaping his identity as an African-American. In fact, Obama's book title "Audacity of Hope" was taken from one of Wright's sermons. (Plagiarism even then, huh?)

Here's some audacious comments from the good Rev. Wright on random topics:

On 9/11: "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01...White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

On Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan: "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest...Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

He is NOT the kind of American President we want in office, our vote goes to Hillary who at least had the balls to reject Farrakhan's racism on MANY occasions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 03/03/2008
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 118 fans permalink

too late the die is cast. hillary can use this one big time. if it is true then what i have been saying all along. they all must go. jefferson spoke profound words over 200 years ago why wont americans listen. most probably dont even know who jefferson was.

we did not listen to ike why should we listen to jefferson. mc war can win this election if hillary wins and the obama voters stay home or vote for nader.

wash is a den of theives like rome was. all must go and constitution changed. such as term limits for congress and jail time for lobbyists at gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 03/03/2008

Another BS story about Obama.....

I wonder who could be this devious?

Reminds you of anyone?

Just roving along in a Clintonesque manner

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/03/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

adroind:

You're going to run out of space denying what everyone has seen and heard for themselves about Obama lying. Looks like the truth has surfaced a bit too soon doesn't it.

He didn't lie about NAFTA, the same way he didn't lie about NOT knowing "That individual " Rezko... his "..friend of many year"... quoted yesterday..

Okay I know you're going to denounce the Chicago Tribune but in doing so you'll be denouncing Obama himself.

My goodness look what happens when people can ask legitimate questions. WOW ... thank God for the internet.

Go Hillary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 03/03/2008
- boombox I'm a Fan of boombox 8 fans permalink

yeah, go hillary, and take the party right into the dumper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/03/2008

The only people accusing Obama of lying are Hillary supporters - excuse me, not good enough.

I've seen the Clintons at work when I lived in Arkansas, as a member of the military who actually voted for Bill twice.

As Bush said "fool me once"

If Obama's "lying" is your basis for supporting Hillary - you need to go way back to see who the Clintons really are.

Investigate a little incident called "Mena" - you'll get the jist of the Bush-Clinton coalition.

A question - what was Hillary's foundation for becoming a senator of NY, a state she had ZERO ties to?

Another question - how did she get elected, her husband or her record?

If one has the balls to investigate - this was basically the same way George W became governor and president.

Go Hillary is rightfully your choice to make, but don't preach to me about Obama's lying without addressing the Clinton's extensive laundry list first.

Transparency doesn't exist with the Clintons, with Obama thus far there's evidence of it.

Hillary - the same BS establishment that stole 2000's election and gave us the last 7 years of hell; and you want more.

I'm not a glutton for punishment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/03/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

why won't you answer, why he said the meeting never happened, why is that such a difficult question. How did Hillary make him lie about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 03/03/2008

If Obama didn't know about a meeting how is that lying?

From the article:
"Asked why he had appeared to deny a report last week that such a meeting had taken place, Obama said: "That was the information I had at the time."

Overwhelming case for a lie and worthy of all the hoopla that's behind this, all surfacing the eve of an election that could break Hillary.

Flashback 2004, Kerry is moving up in polls and out of nowhere a video of Osama surfaces to scare citizens back into line.

Scare, deceive, misdirect -

Typical Clint ughmm... Rove tactic to take a story without substance and make a mountain from it, but that would never qualify as BS in your book ..would it?

In my book it does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 03/03/2008
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

It's undeniable, Obama is a worldwide phenomenon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/03/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

Yes, and Neoconservatives everywhere must bring out btheir knives. Note the Noble Lies tghey are famous for. And note the timing. In politics everything is about timing. And this comes out on F Firewall Day's Eve! Ha! There are too many things wrong here. If it were legitimate then the Neoconservatives there wouldn't be leaking anything. If they were behaqving legitimately they would walk on eggshells to avoid imposing themselves in US politics. So that indicates a bad play. It is obviously purposeful, and what purpose could a right wing nut in Canada want to do here? It certainly isn't to help Obama. So they "leak" a phony thikng to cause him trouble and aid their Neocconservative friend(s) Hillary (and John McCain.)
Great stuff.

And our Neocoin controlled media has va field day amp0lifying it like a scream.

Been there before too many times!

Timing is everything. After Firewall Day, the freaking thing will be called a misunderstanding. But tyhe purpose will have been achieved.

I love Canadians. I despise their Bushlike governmernt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 03/03/2008

One thing that bothers me about the NAFTA issue is this: today on CNN the talking heads were discussing the NAFTA treaty and Hillary's statements (and those of others) that she was against NAFTA from the beginning. then one of them questioned why Hillary didn't speak out against it at the time. Is she on drugs? If Hillary had done anything like that while her husband was president and actively campaigning for the passage of NAFTA, the Dems would have been yelling for her head on a stake! A first lady does NOT criticize her husband's policies while he is a sitting president.

Now, though, the Hillary haters use her silence at the time to characterize her as dishonest or weak. What a bunch of hypocrites!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 03/03/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

bajaboy:

They'll do anything, say anything to take attention away from scrutinizing Obama. Imagine... it is frowned upon to scrutinize an unknown candidate running for President!

God forbid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 03/03/2008
- boombox I'm a Fan of boombox 8 fans permalink

it is frowned upon to make up fowl crapola like this against a candidate in your own party. now we all can lose!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 03/03/2008

They've got Hillary on tape praising NAFTA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 03/03/2008

What would you expect the wife of the president to say (in public) about something her husband worked so hard to pass?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 03/03/2008

My comment, BTW, was directly concerned with the fact that she is being criticized for not stabbing her husband's administration in the back while he was the sitting president. Are you so deficient in the English language that this little factoid escaped you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 03/03/2008

yo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 03/03/2008

The sad thing is that OBAMA DID do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 03/03/2008
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It's his word against that of a frickin' note-taker.

This little episode really speaks well of Canadian leadership, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 03/03/2008

Barack Obama will be our next President

Barack Obama is inevitable

Please visit Barak Obama's web site

Barack Obama will be your next President


Bye, bye crooked Hillary !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 03/03/2008

They are BOTH corrupt and will NOT do what you want. You had a chance with Kucinich and Ron Paul...now WE will ALL suffer for putting another CFR corrupt idiot in the Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 03/03/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

yup......even sadder is that his denials just keep digging the hole deeper.

Course, this is what we call "fortuitous" in the Hillary supporter side. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/03/2008
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Huffpo - WTF is wrong with your server/software? Every second or subsequent post deletes the one posted ahead of it.... get your sh*t together. Here's the post that bumped mine. Let's see if mine bumps it.......

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Barack Obama will be our next President

Barack Obama is inevitable

Please visit Barak Obama's web site

Barack Obama will be your next President

Bye, bye crooked Hillary !!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/03/2008
- specultr I'm a Fan of specultr 6 fans permalink

How would you know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 03/03/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

well the simple answer is, because he denied that any conversation took place over the weekend. He said it never happened. Now he's saying he was misunderstood. If the conversation never happened, how was it misunderstood. Once again he changes his story to try to cover up something he did. Why the lie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 03/03/2008

Since Hillary Clinton's campaign is obviously still throwing the kitchen sink at Obama, I think it only fair she gets the stove, refrigerator, microwave oven, washer and dryer thrown back at her.

Here's the Clintons' scandal score card. Read it, remember it, as the Republicans definitely know all about it.

THE CLINTONS - RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS WERE OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3)
Racketeering, extortion, bribery (4)
Tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2)
Fraud (12)
Conspiracy (5)
Fraudulent loans
Illegal gifts (1)
Illegal campaign contributions (5)
Money laundering (6)
Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation: 69 months.
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.
I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME
- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number of one-person skiing fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
- Total suspicious deaths: 46
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156

ARKANSAS MONEY MANAGEMENT
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-80s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15%
- Percent of Worthen bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then governor, Bill Clinton: 40%.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: over 50%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 03/03/2008
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Awsome dude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 03/03/2008

Care To reference that?

And yet, Bill and Hillary are still runnibg around free. HHMMM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/03/2008

And yet never convicted even though the Republican War Machine went all Out to get them. And as for suicide. well maybe being hounded by a politial machine that would do anything to convict a person could have helped drive that number up. And everything you mentioned is already public record and not a suprise.
And by the way, since when does the "They did lots o' bad things, so don't blame me when I lie." become Obama's defence?

Obama the next JFK - I'll get my AG to wiretap Religious and Civil Rights leaders without a warrant for the FBI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/03/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

I think we were talking about why Obama lied over the weekend when he said there was never any discussion between his campaign and the Canadians. Why is it when you question anything Obama did, the answer is to trash Hillary. Can't you explain or defend Obama on his own merits, you have to deflect attention with cheap, meaningless republican talking points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 03/03/2008
- SeekerOne I'm a Fan of SeekerOne 11 fans permalink
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Funny. A lot of us think your accusations are cheap and meaningless republican talking points. Refer to the article on this site about Rush Limbaugh to see how in line you are with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 03/03/2008
- thromulese I'm a Fan of thromulese 24 fans permalink
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careful, your "wide stance" is showing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 03/03/2008

NAFTA has destroyed the working class in Canada...we NEED to get a new deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 03/03/2008
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How so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 03/03/2008

OMG

There are no jobs that pay anything for us, job safety is GONE. My home town industry was priced clean and left to Rot when NAFTA hit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 03/03/2008
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

NAFTA has destroyed the working class in Canada, USA, it has decimated small businesses in Mexico. It's hurt the working guy everywhere. NAFTA sucked and Clinton rammed it down our throats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 03/03/2008

Agreed !!
Any new deal should include labor rights, consumer rights and environmental proetections

NAFTA was negotiated by George Bush and ratified by Bill Clinton
Both of these clowns protected corporate interests and investor interests, only

It's timne to revisit NAFTA and the WTO
It's time to look at our entire structure of international trade !!

Obama/Edwards '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/03/2008

Don't forget gas at $10.00 a gallon ( that's if China will let us buy any See investments in Canada) They have to sell us oil as it stands now even if they don't want to, that changes if either side messes with NAFTA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 03/03/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Well MetalCanuck:

You can rest assured Obama isn't going to change it. Political Rhetoric you know.

Now Hillary will be happy to renegotiate NAFTA. No problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 03/03/2008

Well this story along with Rezko real estate deal made in onto tonights' ABC evening national news - ohh scarery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 03/03/2008

ABC news is owned by what company that's making big money off of being in Iraq. Of course they want Hillary the war hawk as the Democratic Party candidate. More blood money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 03/03/2008
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This is getting silly, especially because the damaging part of NAFTA isn't about Canada at all. Canada had a strong economy before NAFTA was enacted. US companies aren't going to outsource their labor to Canada, and US agribusiness isn't going to be able to flood the Canadian market with cheap products.

If NAFTA had been written well, it would have established a free-trade agreement between the US and Canada, with a provision for bringing the Mexican economy along...similarly to the way in which nations are allowed to join the EU (particularly the old EU, when it was just a trading bloc).

The only real problem with NAFTA and the Canadians (for me) is that it allows Ontario to send their landfill trash into Michigan rather than building landfills in Ontario, and we can't stop it. Ok, we could raise our rates so that they're the same as Canadian rates, but then everyone here would bitch and moan about how expensive it is to throw their cheap, plastic Chinese crap away when they buy more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 03/03/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Omigod, it just keeps getting deeper and deeper! LOL* Now, the entire Canadian government is making this the headlines?

Where's Mexico? Come on Mexico. Chime in. Show us the memo he sent to you guys! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 03/03/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

What was the big "scandal" the night before the Wisconsin primary? Wasn't it Michelle Obama's comment that was supposed to cost him that state? Let's see what happens tomorrow. I'm confident that more people are sick of the years of Clinton scandals than those who care about this unsubstantiated Clinton talking point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 03/03/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

You could be right about that. But I always feel a lot better when people have real information.

THEN, it's a fair vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/03/2008

Hopefully, it'll be over after Texas

When Obama wins Texas, the Super Delegates will move to Obama

We're already seing Richardson starting to get restless
Biden, Edwards, Gore and Jimmy Carter will lead the way

Is suspect MANY of Hillary's Super Delegates aren't really loyal to her
They were just seeking positions in a Clinton White House
Now, that ther's not gonna be a Clinton White House, why support her ?

Slick Willie and Crooked Hilly are going down the tubes....

Bye Bye Hillary !!
Better luck next time ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/03/2008
- cakelady I'm a Fan of cakelady 3 fans permalink

Unfortunately we are doing exactly what the republicans want us to do. We are on a Obama band wagon. The thing that bothers me the most is that we don't or won't look at things. For starters, the talking heads on tv are all republicans and they are all for Obama. Tim Russert, Chris Matthews etc. the newspapers David Broder, George Wills, William Kristol, and good old Karl Rove, told Obama how to beat Hillary in an op ed page, I ask you why? After he is the chosen one in our party I think they will drop the shoe and we will find out that we should have paid more attention and asked more questions of Obama. With Resko now on trial, the next few months what surprises are in store for us? Obama wins, then we find out just what dirt they have on him too late to do anything and we loose the white house again. It's just like my republican friends say, we democrats just do not know how to pick the right one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 03/03/2008

Thanks Hillary for bringing another country into our election. We know your just getting warmed up. We also know that you are rightfully owed the presidency. We also know that you don't give a s**t about the party. We also hope that god gives you everything that you have coming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 03/03/2008
- PKSSK I'm a Fan of PKSSK 15 fans permalink

Google Belinda Stronach and you will be educated with the source of the Obama smear pertaining to NAFTA and Canadian Government!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 03/03/2008

Tell us - does it say how she got his top economic advisor to talk to the Canadian government, how to write a memo, circulate it widely throughout their government, let a tv network find out about it, get the AP to get a copy of it. and make it public. Oh I forgot to add, and make the candidate swear that the meeting did not happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 03/03/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

CTV reported that both campaigns spoke to the Canadian Government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 03/03/2008
- PKSSK I'm a Fan of PKSSK 15 fans permalink

Do your homework and you will have your answer!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 03/03/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

She certainly has great powers. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 03/03/2008

Of course that happened, only it was the Conservatives who got it done and then 'told' Clinton. Why do you think they want her to win? It will rally the base, those who are supporting Obama will not vote in disgust and John McCain can be in the White House and cover up/veto any investigations the Dems propose. Heck, you might even give them a majority in the Senate and the House. While Clinton is distorting/lying/questionning Obama, she is doing the Republicans job for them. Watch for all this in the coming weeks, as the Dems fight on. The press gets what they want, a story, a brokered convention a la Chicago and the Republicans ride into victory - yep, don't blame Canada. Yes we had our part in it, but tomorrow Clinton is hoping folks in Ohio don't watch TV or have internet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 03/03/2008
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