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Catholic Media Figures Mum On McCain\'s Embrace Of Hagee

Catholic Media Figures Mum On McCain's Embrace Of Hagee

March 4, 2008 11:31 AM



During the Sunday Morning liveblog, it was noted that Tim Russert, dean of gotcha journalism, all but ignored one of the more controversial events of the week, anti-Catholic bigot John Hagee's endorsement of GOP frontrunner John McCain. It seemed to be a tailor-made moment for Russert, and the opportunity was well served up by McCain partisan Mike Murphy, but Russert whiffed. Media Matters recounts the blow-by-blow:

MURPHY: The McCain campaign's got to -- in my view, anyway, from the outside -- understand that the primary is over, they don't need to be campaigning with televangelists in San Antonio. They need to pivot to the general election in a way...with all due respect to the good reverend, and I will say as a Catholic boy who's spent a lot of time with John McCain, there is not an anti-Catholic atom in John McCain; he loves my people -- but pivot to the general election and take the fact that McCain is a different kind of Republican and run with it in a very bad environment where we need that kind of guy to win, or Democrat city. It'll set the conservative movement back 50 years.


RUSSERT: Let me show you another issue where there will be a difference between John McCain and either Obama or Clinton, and that's NAFTA, [panelist and Republican strategist] Mary Matalin. North America Free Trade Agreement.

Media Matters does a fine job parsing Russert's hypocrisy, noting that previously, he had "persisted with questions to Sen. Barack Obama about Louis Farrakhan's support of Obama, despite Obama's repeated denunciations of Farrakhan's statements." But what is perhaps more galling is that Russert is a Catholic himself -- proud John Carroll University alum and author of Big Russ And Me, which lovingly details the lessons learned from a Catholic upbringing. With this background, it's jarring that the Hagee endorsement didn't inspire any outrage in Russert or any fodder for discussion on Meet The Press.

Sadly, Russert is hardly alone in his inattention to the matter. NBC's Sunday morning lineup is dominated by media celebrities who strongly identify themselves as Catholic, and precisely none of them seemed capable of working up a scintilla of ire at the Hagee endorsement. Crooks and Liars' John Amato wondered where Holy Cross graduate Chris Matthews stood on the matter last Saturday. As of last night, he's still waiting. And rather than unleash the full contents of his fusty box of anger on McCain, John McLaughlin -- who was once an ordained Catholic priest -- seemed more intent on lowering the boom on what the Obama campaign may or may not have said to Canadian officials on NAFTA.

The unwillingness among these Catholic media figures to stand up for their fellows is nothing short of baffling. Sad, even -- so far, the loudest outcry on the matter has come from frothing Catholic League lunatic Bill Donohue. But it's easy to see how McCain, who once stood firm against "agents of intolerance," is going to skate by this election cycle seeking the warm embrace of bigots: too many agents of tolerance occupy the space where scrutiny is warranted.


 

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I cannot understand you folks.

The Press has been in love with Bill and Hillary since 1992, recognizing them as two people having fewer morals than most of the press corps.

Hillary and Bill want to kill children, make sure we spend ourself into being "green" raising prices on food for the poor so they will have more souls to add to the welfare ranks - so as to ensure that Democrats continue having enfranchised slaves, otherwise denied them by the 14th Amendment.

It truly amazes me that so many of you are so blind that you do not see this.

Of course, being the product of US Public Schooling, maybe it is not so odd.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/05/2008

http://www.catholicworker.org/

..."God meant things to be much easier than we have made them."


Kool group!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/05/2008

Yep - the Catholic workers are hated by liberal bishops like Mahony - that tells you right there that they must be Christ-like.

Dorothy Day, one of the founders of the movement was an atheist who had a abortion back in the early years of the 20th Century. She is now being considered for sainthood because her her radical discovery that God is good and that Jesus cares for us all.

I won't go into the Catholic part.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/05/2008

I have absolutely no respect for Tim (bug eye) Russert . He is simply another political hack that has a TV show and is biased for the republican party. He is pathetic (and I am being kind).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 03/05/2008

But when Tim Russert pulled his forelock and kissed Hillary's rump, he was just fine - a Catholic who didn't let his religion get in the way of his reasoned good thinking.

When will liberals show they have more depth than a puddle?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 03/05/2008

The Republican party still thinks that by running to the far right in religious matters they will keep the evangelicals as a voting bloc. Perhaps so, but the evangelicals have fouled the nest with their wacko beliefs, and have fostered enhanced political activism from the left. If the independents reject the bigoted, narrow-minded message of the evangelicals/Republican Party and the progressives get of their butts and vote, November will be that time in which America moved away from the sewer of neoconservative politics.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 03/05/2008

I don't know .. it seems more reasonable and more honorable than keeping a subclass of citizens perpetually on the dole, penalizing families for having a father on the premises, breaking up families, and enourage unwed mothers to have more and more babies to make more and more money from the government - and so buy their votes.

Not to their encouraging yet another subclass in to the country to do the grunt labor and menial work liberals find beneath them.

Or course, the Democrats were always the slavery party in the United States.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/05/2008

Religion is joke, and anyone who believes such ridiculousness should be banned from giving opinions on TV anyway as they are obviously CRAZY. Instead of sitting at a news desk, Tim Russert and all of the other religious nut-jobs should be sitting in a padded room somewhere. They obviously need protection from themselves.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 03/05/2008

Once more we see the reasoned response of a true liberal - if someone doesn''t agree with you, shut them up.

iluvsam ... you know Hitler and Stalin thought the same way you do - and people like you were responsible for their rise.

People like me were responsible for their demise.

"How many divisions has the pope?" Stalin once asked with a sneer.

He got to meet those divisions when he stood before the tribunal of Christ.

Please, please, please respond. I want to be sure that the rest of the bloggers see how "demented" I am and how "sane" you are.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 03/05/2008

The Catholic Church supported Hilter, and Stalin ultimately kicked his ass.

Also, the United States (A SECULAR COUNTRY led by a LIBERAL) beat the hell out of him as well.

Where did you learn your history? Let me guess...church.

The "tribunal of Christ"? Just the fact that you can call a human being (that may or may not have existed btw) "Christ" tells me your not right upstairs. Wake up out of your god-trance and come back to reality with the rest of us.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/05/2008

Well, not right upstairs is a judgment you make pased on your dogmatic ideas, not on any kind of psychological study.

Nice try, but, as usual, when presented with information a liberal is unable to either process or refute, he/she resorts to invective.

Don't you guys have any other moves in your blay book?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 03/06/2008

I've got this one. Tribunal of Christ? Who cares? Not everyone believes the same thing you do. Thanks for taking care of Hitler & Stalin! Big man!!
Someone else said "Hillary and Bill want to kill children"--what does this mean? Are they referring to parasites (fetuses)- something that can't survive on its own? Back off bible thumper.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/05/2008

Once more .. instead of reasoned debate, the liberal resorts to insult.

Parasites. Human beings.

You are quite correct, we do not all have the same beliefs.

I could not ever think of a baby as a parasite.

I pity you and the people who taught you the Gnostic, Manichean, Albgensian, Environmentalist heresy you spout with such abandon.

Hitler and Stalin, I'm sure, along with Pol Pot and Idi Amin shared your same perverted thoughts about human beings.

I pity you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 03/05/2008

Very very funny. love it. Very very true also.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 03/05/2008

Maybe Russert just doesn't care. Hagee is fringe. He's even fringe in San Antonio. His church must be 15 miles from downtown.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 03/05/2008

Only Hillary Clinton will win the Catholic votes for the Democratic Party, because majority of the Catholic voters will prefer John McCain to Barack Obama.

American Evangelicals and other fundamental Christians will never vote for Barack Obama who goes to a Black racist church and begs the LGTB Community for votes by promising to support same sex-marriage and oppose DOMA.


The following report is enough to show you the negative signals for Barack Obama.

But much of Obama's traffic is about topics he'd rather avoid. Yahoo! analyst Vera H-C Chan says people in Ohio and Texas are still scouting out rumors about Obama, as reflected in queries like "barack obama muslim," "obama's church," "obama antichrist," "barack obama muslim school," and the straightforward question, "is obama a christian or a muslim?"

~ From Yahoo News

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 03/05/2008

Your political whimsy, Orikinla, along with your ecclesiasical ignorance, is amusing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 03/05/2008

Not true. Reasoning Catholic's like Obama, not Clinton. The older Catholic's tend to vote republican because they are spoon fed information about abortion and gay marriage all their lives. The new generation of American Catholics think for themselves and do not march lock step with the Church dictates.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 03/05/2008

"Reasoning Catholics" - another name for "Cafeteria Catholics' ... pick some from here, nothing from there, and make up your own version of what ever you want to call "catholic" - no wonder the bloggers here are confused when they read posts like Spud's.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 03/05/2008

Thankfully the Catholics are changing. Now if we can just get them to understand that they aren't REALLY eating the body and blood of "Christ" and are merely eating a wafer that came off an assembly line someplace, well be in good shape.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 03/05/2008

No, Cathoiics are not changing. They are left uneducated and so change according to the prevailing wind blowing from the so-called intelligensia.

To deny the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist you must, do violence to the words of Christ as shown by the more than 200 interpretations of the words "Hoc est enim, corpus meum" sd recorded by the Protestant writer Christopher Rasperger in 1577 in his book, "Ducentæ verborem".

But then, Jesus didn't really exist, did He? That is your basic dogma, isn;t it?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 03/06/2008

No, the New American Catholic knows next to nothing about Catholic teachings.

Just some fuzzy wuzzy, warm and fluffy, "let's get along" flabby Christianity that is related to Catholicisim only by the name of Jesus - which you newbies usually use most as teh beginning of an epithet.

Lockstep with the Church? Well, when you know truth, it is silly, if not stupid, if not completely treacherous to the state of your soul to mess with the map.

Spud, all you show us is that you do not understand what the Church is,.the Body of Christ. Jesus never asked for a show of hands when he denounced divorce, denounced hypocrisy, denounced "blind guides".

Spud, you only show us that you do not believe in the divine institution of the Church, showing us all that it is merely a human institution, not under the protection of the Holy Spirit.

C'mon, be truthful .. you haven't cracked a catechism, let alone the Gospels,since you left your parents' home, have you?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/05/2008

Catholics are the biggest group of hypocrites in the country: they go to church, condemn abortion, and politically support pro-choice candidates! If all Catholics voted their conscience and religious beliefs, no Democrat could get elected.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 03/05/2008

I can't deny your post at all, Rex. But the Catholic hypocrites are those like Spud, who claim the name of "Catholic" then refuse to follow the teachings of the Church - mostly because their CCD teachers didn't teach them too well, or their parents were divorced and living with respective boy/girlfriends and so their homelife was never led by the example of the Gospels.

The sorry thing is that Catholic bishops, priests and nuns are almost entirely given over to the Democrats on social issues. The non-habited, radical feminist nuns - many of whom are also involved with Wicca - have been doing their best to destroy Catholicism among folks like Spud for the past 40 years.

Or course, the orders that those nuns belong to are drying up since sterile ideas are non-productive

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 03/05/2008

Hagee was the model for Chris Farley's motivational speaker.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 03/05/2008

Chris Farley? The Catholic comedian made FUN of a fundy like Hagee?

iluvlibs will be very angry to hear this!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 03/05/2008

No actually if I can make you look like the idiot you are. NOW THAT MAKES ME HAPPY.LOL

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 03/05/2008

But you can't make me look like an idiot. I am not a liberal.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 03/05/2008

I just did. I and many others on here have read your rantings. I think some may still be laughing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 03/05/2008

I did, you didn't, I did .. you argue like a child. But that is typical Modern US education is pretty childish when it comes to teaching logic and civility.

You were an apt student, iluvlibs. You learned that insult and hate can win any argument.

Some may indeed be laughing, iluvlibs. But don't peer out from under your stone too soon to look. You may become disheartened.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 03/05/2008

I will wear that as a badge of courage coming from someone as narrow minded as you.Now fuck off I need to get back under my stone, I hope its a diamond.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 03/05/2008

You may hope to make a chunk of quartz into a diamond .. but it won't happen.

Thanks again for the epithet aimed at me. You continue to prove that there is no honest discussion from liberals.

Just pouting.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 03/05/2008

And apparently your sense of humor has dissapeared off your radar screen. Lighten up. Yes this is also aimed at you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 03/05/2008

Oh - an attack on my Faith is just a joke, eh?

Okay - Hillary Clinton is a lesbian.

Still laughing?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 03/06/2008

The problem isn't that John Hagee is wrong about Catholics, its that all these religions are occupied by humans; venal humans, poetic humans, fanatical humans, evil humans, ruthless humans and yeah, spiritual humans but spirituality allways has and allways will play second fiddle to religious politics. That's the problem with organized religion; it has never been able to transcend the baser aspects of humanity. The true flowering of humanity will occur when all of us no longer need the shackles of religion to guide our lives.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 03/05/2008

That's the problem with organized religion; it has never been able to transcend the baser aspects of humanity. The true flowering of humanity will occur when all of us no longer need the shackles of religion to guide our lives.

Really? You mean like when Rome, Greece and other ancient empires based their economy on slave labor?
The Catholic Church changed that. Women gained dignity in marriage even though CIVIL law until the mid-20th century described wives as "chattel property" of their husbands.
Without the moderating force of the Roman Catholic Church, we wd still be in the shackles of barbarism. The Church saved Western Civilization and rebuilt it after the fall of the Roman Empire. Art, architecture, study, education all flowed from the Catholic Church.
The greatest murderers in history, totalling over 150,000,000 murders have been the paganistic empire of Nazi Germany, and the atheistic empire of Soviet Russia, with Laos, Cambodia and a whole lot of tinpot dictators in Africa pulling up the rear.
One estimate of those executed by the civil authorities in Europe during the 400 years of the Spanish Inquisition comes to 2000. A Jewish source says 32,000 - either one a despicable total. But nowhere near the 11,000,000 who died in Nazi concentration camps (not just the 6,000,000 we keep hearing about) and over 120,000,000 who were murdered in Russia and associated satellite countries from the time of the Bolshevic Revolution to 1991.
So don't tell us about the flowering of humanity without Christianity - REAL Christianity, not the fundamentatist mumbo-jumbo. The world can't afford to lose us Catholics, if only to keep ther est of you guys in line.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 03/05/2008

"The greatest murderers in history, totalling over 150,000,000 murders have been the paganistic empire of Nazi Germany, and the atheistic empire of Soviet Russia, with Laos, Cambodia and a whole lot of tinpot dictators in Africa pulling up the rear."


This argument is so old and tired. Those murders didn't happen BECAUSE of atheism. Those murders happened because these regimes were dictated by personality cults. They were political murders, NOT religious murders. I wish people would read SCHOLARLY history books instead of those written by religious fruticakes. And as far as the Nazis go, it was the CATHOLIC CHURCH that aided and abetted them. It also seems to be forgotten how many people died over the CENTURIES from human sacrifice in religious cults. The Mayans (or maybe it was the Aztecs) killed 20,000 people in human sacrifices in ONE DAY . For what? To pray for freakin' rain! THAT is insane. Religion is simply not rational.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 03/05/2008

What is not rational is to think that this planet, at exactly the correct distance from its sun, in defiance of the science of probability, was able to create life out of nothing in opposition to the scientific concept of conservation of matter. You think that life began like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

Newton's Prime Mover, Einstein's idea of a Master Designer is science.

Your idea only tells us that you believe in magic.

Sorry, that doesn't work for thi