Gov. Charlie Crist speaks at a news conference to call on the Democratic National Committee to seat their Florida delegates at the national convention, Wednesday, March 5, 2008, in Tallahassee, Fla. Charlie Crist and Michigan Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm released a joint statement Wednesday making the plea and saying the voices of 5 million voters should not be "silenced." (AP Photo/Phil Coale)

Clinton Camp Signals Support For Florida, Michigan Revote

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WASHINGTON — Officials in Michigan and Florida are showing renewed interest in holding repeat presidential nominating contests so that their votes will count in the epic Democratic campaign.

The Michigan governor, along with top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and Florida's state party chair, are now saying they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. That's a change from their previous insistence that the primaries their states held in January should determine how the their delegates are allocated.

Clinton won both contests, but the results were meaningless because the elections violated national party rules.

The Democratic National Committee stripped both states of all their delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates _ including Clinton and rival Barack Obama _ agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

Florida and Michigan moved up their dates to protest the party's decision to allow Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, followed by South Carolina and Nevada, giving them a disproportionate influence on the presidential selection process.

But no one predicted the race would still be very close this late in the year.

Ironically, Michigan and Florida could have held crucial primaries if they had stayed with their traditional later dates. They may yet do so if they decide to hold new contests as Clinton and Obama compete to the wire.

Clinton has been insisting that the desires of more than 2 million people who cast Democratic ballots in the two states should be reflected at the convention, which would help her catch up to Obama in the race for convention delegates. Obama has said he wants to see the delegates from the two critical swing states participate, too, but not if Clinton is rewarded for victories in boycotted primaries.

Now the Clinton campaign has begun expressing openness to a do-over. "Let's let all of the voters go again if they are willing to do it," Clinton adviser Terry McAuliffe said Tuesday night on MSNBC. "Whatever we have to do to get people in the system, let's do it."

The new contests could be part of a strategy for Clinton to come back in the race and attract votes from superdelegates who are not bound by any primary or caucus votes, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell told the network. "Let's assume for the moment Hillary Clinton wins Ohio and Texas, she wins Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan have primaries in June, she wins both of those," said Rendell, who has endorsed Clinton. "Then, can the superdelegates look at that and say, `Gosh, she's won the last five big primaries in a row. She's won almost every big primary since we began.'"

Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Clinton supporter, told the Detroit Free Press that Clinton's victory in Ohio changes "the landscape a bit." She said it could open the door to a caucus, if it can be privately funded and both candidates agree.

Granholm, a Democrat, and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, a Republican, issued a joint statement Wednesday demanding that their states' delegates be seated. "We each will call upon our respective state and national party chairs to resolve this matter and to ensure that the voters of Michigan and Florida are full participants in the formal selection of their parties' nominees," the statement said.

Crist told reporters at a news conference Tuesday that he does not support having another primary at taxpayer expense. He said he discussed the option with Sen. Bill Nelson, the state's senior Democrat. "He said the only way to consider the possibility of that is to have the Democratic National Committee pay for it," Crist said. The Florida Democratic Party said the state estimates the cost would be $25 million.

Getting funding from the national committee might be difficult when the party has a general election to wage. Last August, the DNC offered to spend $800,000 for a later caucus, but the Florida state party rejected the idea because the amount would have only been enough to set up 150 caucus sites for the state's 4.1 million Democrats. "It wasn't a real offer. It just wasn't. It was not something anybody could agree to with a straight face," said state party spokesman Mark Bubriski.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean issued a statement Wednesday that seemed to leave the matter for the states to resolve.

Dean said Michigan and Florida have two options: either submit a new plan for a process for choosing their convention delegates, or appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee, which resolves issues about the seating of delegates.

"The Democratic Nominee will be determined in accordance with party rules, and out of respect for the presidential campaigns and the states that did not violate party rules, we are not going to change the rules in the middle of the game," he said.

Michigan Democrats are discussing holding a "firehouse" contest in May or June that would be an alternative to a traditional primary or caucus and run by the state party, said a Democratic Party official who has been part of the discussions. "Firehouse" contests usually have fewer polling places and shorter voting hours than traditional state-run primary elections.

The party official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions are private, said there was general consensus that it could not be held at taxpayers' expense and would attempt to generate participation from about 1 million state Democrats.

House and Senate Democrats from Florida and Michigan planned to meet Wednesday night on Capitol Hill to discuss ways of getting their state's delegates seated at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in late August, Democratic aides said.

Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Karen Thurman said the party is open to another vote, as long as it meets three criteria. Both candidates would have to fully participate, a source of funding would have to be provided and it would have to allow all the state's Democrats to participate, including those serving in the military overseas. So far, she said, no suggested alternative has met those requirements.

"It is very possible that no satisfactory alternative plan will emerge, in which case Florida Democrats will remain committed to seating the delegates allocated by the January 29th primary," Thurman said in a statement.

Obama's campaign says whether to have a repeat contest is up to the national committee, but has signaled a willingness to participate. "We're going to abide by their rules as they exist now and whatever happens in the future," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters Wednesday.

"I don't think it's for our campaign or her campaign _ we're in a heated contest here _ to have to be the facilitators here," Plouffe said. "This is between the DNC and those state parties."

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas in Washington, Kathy Barks Hoffman in Lansing, Mich., and Brendan Farrington in Tallahassee, Fla., contributed to this report.


 
 

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- shinybear See Profile I'm a Fan of shinybear permalink

The truth of the matter is we would have a candidate by now if the Michigan and Florida primaries had been conducted properly.

360 delegates will make all the difference.

A revote or caucuses in both states will save us all a brokered convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 03/06/2008
- LeftLeaner See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner permalink

A Caucus would surely seal it for Obama, as he has the affluent voters who can AFFORD to take the time and caucus as well as the youthful students who have extra time available.

That doesn't seem fair.

A Primary would be a much more level playing field.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 03/06/2008
- Felicty See Profile I'm a Fan of Felicty permalink

The republicans plan to out Hillary as a lesbian. Why not beat them to the punch, but in a more positive manner?

Obama should stand up for gay rights and praise her for being the first lesbian to run for the presidency. Wax on about the challenges she must face having to keep her private life under wraps.

That Hillary sure is one brave woman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 03/06/2008
- drblack See Profile I'm a Fan of drblack permalink

These states were warned what would happened and went ahead anyway. I feel bad for the voters, they should take it out on the people who actually moved the primary and broke the rules.
Why have any rules at all...we could all be like the BushCo administration...if we don't follow some rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 03/06/2008
- Peddler See Profile I'm a Fan of Peddler permalink

Hillary will do any and everything to win the nomination. Word has it in Washington DC that the Democratic "bosses" of the superdelegates are planning their approach to have her withdraw from the race. Obama has already caputred the nomination in essence. For the superdelegates to ignore the "voter's will" is surely political suicide for them........it comes to the point where it is there job verses Hillary's nomination.......and that is a no brainer for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 03/07/2008
- hmmmmmer See Profile I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer permalink

This should be up to Florida since it was a Republican Governor and House that pushed the dates on everyone. The DNC was stupid for not seeing this coming. Round up the circular firing squad because the Democrats just can't wait to use it on themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 03/06/2008
- rwe See Profile I'm a Fan of rwe permalink

yes yes yes , let EVERY vote count in Michigan and Florida. This means a class action lawsuit if needed.. there have to be thousands of disillusioned voteres , independents , libs who voted in the Republican primary because their Dem vote was useless .. Yes the party of choice, and change and HOPE and every vote shuld count will have to address this so those misguided masses will be able to vote

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 03/06/2008
- IndependentMeans See Profile I'm a Fan of IndependentMeans permalink

Please go to :
donatebarackobama.com and GIVE, I have twice in the last two days. HRC, who I respected, has lost all good faith with me. PLEASE GIVE, even $10. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 03/06/2008
- PKSSK See Profile I'm a Fan of PKSSK permalink

The governor of Michigan???? Didn't she receive campaign contributions from the Clinton's main fundraiser who is in jail, Hsu/Tsu???? I remember reading this somewhere and thought how conveniently she endorsed Clinton and supported the win of Clinton in her state???? This is strange turn of events for her, isn't it????

Integrity is so rare in dirty politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/06/2008
- Peddler See Profile I'm a Fan of Peddler permalink

So true. Politics has no relationship to morals or values.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 03/07/2008
- RedRooster See Profile I'm a Fan of RedRooster permalink

Oh for goodness sake. Call it a false start and let MI and FL try again.

They're embarrassed enough...Heck, I'm embarrassed FOR them.

But let's get this done and focus on defeating George W McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 03/06/2008
- TimeForChange See Profile I'm a Fan of TimeForChange permalink

I live in Florida and was very unhappy when the DNC said FL voting wouldn't count. However, I will be even more upset with them if they now change their ruling to benefit one candidate over another. Yes they need to rethink policy before another state moves up their primary date without DNC permission. No, they should not now change the rules midcampaign to benefit Hillary Clinton. She and all of the candidates agreed last fall to abide by the rules. Apparently rules don't apply to the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/06/2008
- Peddler See Profile I'm a Fan of Peddler permalink

The fact about politicans is that they have no idea of governmental business; have no idea how to run a government; have no idea about the needs and concerns of their constitutents; their major contribution to this nation is that they are experts at "getting elected."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 03/07/2008
- hank48188 See Profile I'm a Fan of hank48188 permalink

That's a great Idea, don't listen to the voices of over 2,500,000 DEMS that voted in Michigan and Florida, let them vote for McCain instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 03/06/2008
- OnePartyEqualsTyranny See Profile I'm a Fan of OnePartyEqualsTyranny permalink

Like McSame is a logical choice. Why do you supporters and H-Rove-C so mesmerized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 03/06/2008
- messy See Profile I'm a Fan of messy permalink

Four Years ago, DC had a primary before New Hampshire did and it didn't count. They then had another one and it did. This has happened several times before, and it's within the rules, so DO IT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/06/2008
- eugenegerard See Profile I'm a Fan of eugenegerard permalink

I guess Hillary has to stop counting the Michigan delegates ,that she tried to abscond with, in her totals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/06/2008
- UltraClassic See Profile I'm a Fan of UltraClassic permalink

Hillary '08

High everybody! I'm a liberal democrat! Let every vote count!

NOT!!!

Hillary '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008
- microsrfr See Profile I'm a Fan of microsrfr permalink

As a resident of Florida, let me try to shed some light on the Jan 29th Primary.

It was more than a primary in that their was a question on both the Republican and Democratic ballots which would reduce property taxes. Also voters were told in advance that their vote for Presidential preference would be unlikely to count. The larger than usual turnout was directly attributable to a desire for property tax reduction. As a result, the demographics of the voters tended toward homeowners and not renters. This means that the lower income portion of the population was not fairly represented.

Once voters addressed the ballot itself, they were confronted with a list of several names for President. As there was no campaigning nor advertising (save a single Obama ad on CNN) , the voters made their choice more on name recognition than any other means. Of course, Senator Clinton was by far the most recognizable name on the ballot thus assuring her victory.

Seating the resulting delegates would be a travesty as they do not represent the educated and motivfated will of the residents of Florica.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 03/06/2008
- zumper See Profile I'm a Fan of zumper permalink

Get this Florida is saying it will remove the name of the Democratic nominee from the ballot in Nov, if their delegates aren't seated. OUCH!!!!

i just read that on abc website i hope its not true ....boy the DNC really has got themselves painted in a corner with their stupid rules and proportional delagates and open primaries ......i also read that HRC has more democrat votes and the repub and independent votes are what has obama ahead in the pop vote .........may be this should go to convention and force this party to regroup and change this stupid system

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 03/06/2008
- Peddler See Profile I'm a Fan of Peddler permalink

I agree........it is a stupid system established by "stupid people."......... and Howard Dean is the court-jesture of this circus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 03/07/2008
- hank48188 See Profile I'm a Fan of hank48188 permalink

Hillary wins in all the Democratic States, meaning States that are BLUE in November. Obama wins in States like Utah and Idaho that are always RED

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 03/06/2008
- Fasteddie1515 See Profile I'm a Fan of Fasteddie1515 permalink

The states that are blue in November will be blue in november. The states that are always red have democrats in them now. Those democrats don't want to run on a ticket with Hillary! who knows what they will be in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 03/06/2008
- TimeForChange See Profile I'm a Fan of TimeForChange permalink

I live in Florida and I happen to know that several of the influencial people at the state level of the Democratic party in Florida are backing Hillary Clinton. Of course they are trying to manipulate to get the previous vote count included!

What I think is going on is that the Clintons, because Hillary cannot win the delegate count now fairly, is trying to manipulate a win through the back door. She is trying to influence members of the DNC to change rules to benefit her.

Shouldn't surprise us, considering their past track record. Or has everyone forgotten all of the indictments, investigations, etc that surrounded the Clintons last White House stay.

The Democrats should act better than that. Don't be like the Republicans and let Clinton pull a George Bush 2000 play on our election process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/06/2008
- Fasteddie1515 See Profile I'm a Fan of Fasteddie1515 permalink

If they do John Mccain will be President. If they steal the nomination it WILL brake up the democratic party. And Romney will be the President after McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 03/06/2008
- rachaelisacancer See Profile I'm a Fan of rachaelisacancer permalink

Florida and Michigan have a problem. They broke the rules and therefore will have to go with the consequences of breaking those rules, unless some other agreement can be reached (doubtful).

But Florida and Michigan broke the rules in protest and we as voters shouldn't forget that. For too long now Iowa and the other early caucus/primary states have had far too much influence on who eventually becomes the nominee. It would have been nice if all the Kucinich supporters could have been treated as though they mattered as much as Clinton's or Obama's, despite the fact that their voices were fewer. But our outdated system silences those voices, and perhaps as well much of the important messages that could still have been communicated by Richardson, Gravel and the others campaigning for the nomination.

Whatever happens to settle this current dispute, I hope that people will not quickly forget what this dispute is truly about - and that is the right of every voter to have their voice heard equally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 03/06/2008
- Peddler See Profile I'm a Fan of Peddler permalink

There is an old saying, "Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/07/2008
- Lemeritus See Profile I'm a Fan of Lemeritus permalink

Jackson Williams has a good piece of this site (Howard Dean, Tear Down This Wall!) regarding the distinctions between and reasons behind the early primaries in Michigan and Florida.

Be that as it may, I absolutely agree that every voter should be heard. After 2000, we should be the party that sanctifies that concept; we should make it part of our DNA (Democratic National Agenda). We MUST move toward a National Primary Day -- no more playing games with primary dates to trump Iowa and New Hampshire, no more momentum de jour, no more allowing the media to "dis"invite candidates to "their" debates.

I wish I had a solution to the Michigan-Florida dilemma; clearly, one must be found. Michigan is suggeting a caucus (which would favor Obama as all caucuses have) and Florida is threatening to make Democrats personas non grata in the general election if there is not a new primary or if Florida's delegates are not seated. As Alice would say, things just get "curiouser and curiouser."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 03/06/2008
- Peddler See Profile I'm a Fan of Peddler permalink

The Democrats created this monster and painted themselves in a corner. Trust me, Hillary Clinton will do anything and everything to become the Decmocratic nominee........even if she has to tear down the Democratic party. Obama has essentially captured the nomination in essence. Treat as they may, when you break the rules, you have to endure and live with the consequences. I understand that the will of the voter should be counted, but it is the will of the voter who elected these idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 03/07/2008
- estreya See Profile I'm a Fan of estreya permalink

Here's the thing, though. The Primary season is a time when the candidates gradually do their "grip and grin's," have debates, and so on. How are they supposed to "grip and grin" in every state AT THE SAME TIME? You've got to roll the process out gradually, if for not other reason than to be fair the candidates, and give them the opportunity to listen to and deliver their messages to the voters, state by state by state.

I could be totally wrong about this, but my gut tells me that a National Primary Day just wouldn't work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 03/07/2008
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