Clinton Sees New Race; Obama Talks Tough

Clinton Sees New Race; Obama Talks Tough

Huffington Post   |   March 5, 2008 at 08:21 PM


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Clinton Sees New Race, Obama Toughens Rhetoric: The AP is reporting that both Democratic candidates adopted new campaign postures Wednesday:

Hillary Rodham Clinton declared Wednesday that her primary victories in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island had reordered the Democratic presidential race in her favor. A resilient Barack Obama countered with fresh pledges of support from superdelegates and said his lead remained intact.

One day after his worst showing in a month, Obama blamed negative attacks by the former first lady for his defeats and quickly made good on a promise to sharpen his criticism of her.

Obama Superdelegates: An Obama co-chair in Missouri claims previous reports about Obama is about to receive new superdelegate support are correct:

Rep. Lacy Clay (D-MO), Sen. Barack Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate, said Obama will gain the support of 50 undecided Democratic superdelegates later this week, according to the Columbia Missourian.

Said Clay: "She (Sen. Clinton) will not make up those numbers. This race is over."

Former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw first reported yesterday that Obama had about 50 secretly committed superdelegates.

McCain Loses To Obama And Clinton In National Poll: via the Washington Post

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) kicks off his general-election campaign trailing both potential Democratic nominees in hypothetical matchups, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) leads McCain, who captured the delegates needed to claim the Republican nomination Tuesday night, by 12 percentage points among all adults in the poll; Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) holds a six-point lead over the GOP nominee. Both Democrats are buoyed by moderates and independents when going head to head with McCain and benefit from sustained negative public assessments of President Bush and the war in Iraq.

DNC Lays Down The Law Over Michigan And Florida: Howard Dean said the following in response to statements by the Florida and Michigan governors that they would be open to a new round of voting:

We're glad to hear that the Governors of Michigan and Florida are willing to lend their weight to help resolve this issue. As we've said all along, we strongly encourage the Michigan and Florida state parties to follow the rules, so today's public overtures are good news. The rules, which were agreed to by the full DNC including representatives from Florida and Michigan over 18 months ago, allow for two options. First, either state can choose to resubmit a plan and run a party process to select delegates to the convention; second, they can wait until this summer and appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee, which determines and resolves any outstanding questions about the seating of delegates. We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time. The Democratic Nominee will be determined in accordance with party rules, and out of respect for the presidential campaigns and the states that did not violate party rules, we are not going to change the rules in the middle of the game.

Through all the speculation, we should also remember the overwhelming enthusiasm and turnout that we have already seen, and respect the voters of the twelve states and territories who have yet to have their say.

Clinton's Pennsylvania/Superdelegate Plan: Clinton's Advisers say she can win over remaining superdelegates with a Pennsylvania victory, all while the campaign was still acknowledging they were at a mathematical disadvantage, according to The New York Times:

She also believes that a strong showing in Pennsylvania, which has 188 delegates at stake, could set up a powerful one-two punch two weeks later in the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, which have a combined 218 delegates. Her team believes she has an especially good shot at winning Indiana, where the state's influential Democratic senator, Evan Bayh, a former two-term governor, was one of Mrs. Clinton's earliest supporters.

Clinton advisers acknowledged on Wednesday that the delegate arithmetic still has them at a disadvantage; Mr. Obama has 1,456.5 delegates to Mrs. Clinton's 1,370, and the upcoming primaries will award delegates proportionally to both the winner and the loser. That will have the effect making each candidate inch toward the 2,025 delegates needed for the nomination.


The Politico
is reporting that the Democrats are facing a long brawl:


For months, Democrats have congratulated themselves on an embarrassment of riches: Two larger-than-life politicians, both potential history-makers who symbolize the party's celebration of diversity. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama both won admiration from lots of people backing the other candidate.

Well, forget all that.

The up-with-people phase of this contest is over. The clear-the-benches phase has begun -- a brawl that now is more likely than not to continue until the Democratic nomination in late August.

Bush Gets Behind McCain: The Democrats are at war with each other as President George W. Bush is throwing his support behind John McCain in an effort to unify the party:

The endorsement highlighted how the early resolution of the Republican race could benefit Mr McCain by giving the party more time to rally behind its nominee. While the Democrats continue to wage an expensive and divisive battle to decide their candidate, the Republicans are already looking ahead to the general election.

Mr McCain said he hoped to campaign with Mr Bush as much as the president's schedule allowed, although most experts predict the president will be used sparingly and only in conservative strongholds. Mr Bush's main role is likely to be helping raise campaign cash by attending fundraising events and mobilizing his powerful network of wealthy allies.


According to The Politico, some superdelegates in Ohio are now playing hardball with the candidates:

Flexing their new power to determine the Democratic presidential nomination, a bloc of Ohio superdelegates is withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs, two Ohio Democrats told Politico Wednesday.

The apparent deal among Ohioans is the first evidence of superdelegates' banding together and seeking concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. It's a practice that could become more common after Clinton's victories in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday put her back on solid footing in her race against Obama and ensured that the battle for superdelegates will continue for many weeks to come.


 
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Will the real HRC please stand up!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 03/06/2008

Here's a web sight that opened my eye's------------please go to htt://www.judicialwatch.org/hillarywatch.org.shtml---------------------------------see what your candidate hillary clinton is being investigated and asked to release to the courts-----------------and the courts have been working on this for years-----------not months!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 03/07/2008

sorry guys spelled that web wrong-----------go to htt://www.judicialwatch.org/hillarywatch.org----------------to see what Hillary Clinton is being investigated for---------what she already been called on inbreaking the law-------------and how long they've been investigateing it! Have fun Hillary backers-----------this tells you what your canidate is all about-----what laws she's broke---------and what the courts are still after her for!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 03/07/2008

My son sent the following to the Florida Dem party and to the DNC:

Dear Florida Democratic Party,

Please negotiate a new primary or caucus rather than attempting to seat delegates based on a biased contest held before Florida voters had any real chance to hear Senator Obama's message. I suspect Senator Clinton, her allies, and Florida may indeed have enough might and momentum to arm-twist the DNC into seating Florida's delegates based on the unfair existing vote.
But if Clinton ultimately takes the nomination through that and superdelegates, not only will I vote for McCain, I will donate to his general campaign as I have to Obama's primary. I have never voted Republican, but believe me when I say that I will if such an unhappy scenario comes to pass.

Clinton has evidenced an astonishing readiness to dispense with any and all values - including the integrity and fortunes of the Democratic party - in furtherance of her own personal advancement. That is the epitome of what's wrong with politics, and Obama has given this country a rare chance to move beyond. If Clinton is given the means to destroy that chance, I will forsake the party I have steadfastly supported for two decades.

(Note - My son and I are lawyers, as is my brother. My husband is a retired drywall finisher. Our family runs the professional gamut. We all feel the same way. If Hillary wins the nomination fair and square, we will support her. But is she steals this election, using the standard, shady old-style Clinton tactics, we will actively and financially support McCain. Incidentally, we all feel that the press is giving an inordinate amount of coverage to ads that help Hillary. How many times has the Red Phone ad been shown, and her campaign didn't have to pay for the airings? If you compare the airtime the press has given to Hillary's message and to her negative posturings about Barack, compared to the airtime the press has given Barack's message, it's inordinately skewed. The photo of Barack in his native attire (which has terrifying implications to people with the intellect of a tomato) has, however, been, given lots of airtime; as has anything that negatively impacts his campaign. Why doesn"t the press give the following, which are things that give one a real and actual basis to be afraid, a few moments of discussion: Charlie Trie, Whitewater, Hillary's taxes, the Clinton library donations, the mystery surrounding Vince Foster's death, etc.? Has everyone forgotten all of the corruption and secretiveness associated with both Clintons?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 03/07/2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.

The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including "sexual assaults," "degrading anti-female language" and "obscene suggestions."

In a 2001 lawsuit full of lurid details, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claims that 103 women employees at IPA were victimized for years. The civil case is ongoing, and IPA vigorously denies the allegations.

"This is by far, hands down, the worst case I've ever experienced," said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. "Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down."

Sen. Clinton"s spokesman, Howard Wolfson, told NBC News in a statement that the senator decided to keep the funds

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/06/2008

Why would superdelegates in Ohio not try to get a good deal for their people. After all, are they not supposed to be doing what is best for Ohio? I am from Ohio and after the way this state has suffered economically I say more power to them. Every superdelegate should be as concerned for the voters of their state. As the old Army motto was and I say to superdelegates "Be all that you can be". If a superdelegate said he supported a candidate because that candidate would do the most for the people of his state and can point out the specifics, he or she will be applauded and voted for.
Why are Obamas 50 superdelegates secret at this point- maybe they are leaning his way but want to be a real superdelegate and see what Hillary will offer residents of their states? It is very risky for him- they could switch .
Who cares what rules the DNC puts out unless following those rules attributes weight to each and every democrat who wants to vote. Is ir not the ofjective of rules to achieve some worthy objective other than just have rules. The DNC blew it- let the people vote again in Fla. and Mi. and count their votes and that of their superdelegates.
Further more what is with Move-on .org. I had no chance to voice my opinion and all of a sudden Ohama supporters were using the move on mailing lists to support Obama. Lots of us `progressives support causes rather than candidates and I sure felt betrayed.
As far as Obama making remarks about Hillary complaining about refereeing, I do not think eveb a rabid Obama han could deny the biased headlines that characterize any og Hillery's actions on the Huffington Post on any day.
Hillaey has been villified to the American pub;ic by the media ever since she worked for national health care, Obama is an unknown commocity hoping to avoid scrutiny just as Bush did against Gore.
Go Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 03/06/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 03/06/2008

Move-on took a vote among it's membership and the membership overwhelmingly decided to support Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/06/2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.

The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including "sexual assaults," "degrading anti-female language" and "obscene suggestions."

In a 2001 lawsuit full of lurid details, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claims that 103 women employees at IPA were victimized for years. The civil case is ongoing, and IPA vigorously denies the allegations.

"This is by far, hands down, the worst case I've ever experienced," said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. "Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down."

Sen. Clinton"s spokesman, Howard Wolfson, told NBC News in a statement that the senator decided to keep the funds

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 03/06/2008

Looking at these posts I wonder DOES ANYONE READ BOOKS ABOUT ANYTHING ANYMORE??? (NON FICTION????) Yikes.. I worry about our nation when you listen to some of this dribble about either one of these candidates. But posts like the HuffPo are what happens when there is no free press.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 03/06/2008
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Get off your high horse and consult a dictionary. The word is "drivel", not "dribble".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 03/06/2008
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No free press?
This is a joke I hope! Try living in a country where there is really no free press or the
internet is moderated to the extent where one word against the government,can get
you years in jail. Oh,the drama of you downtrodden Americans. Get a grip you poor
thing you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 03/06/2008

Read this..............Rezko and Obama are big buddies..........Rezko on trial for fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 03/06/2008
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Dam. Just finished Audacity of Hope. That book is amazing. This Obama guy is amazing. Getting this guy into the white house would change America is so many good ways I can't even hardly contemplate it. Before I was a Obama supporter. I think I'm going to step up my support a little more. Any Hillary supporter whom hasn't read Obama's book, really needs to. There you will find something that doesn't come along very often. Hillary is just another politician, just inside a womans body. I don't care about sex or race, I just want someone with Obama's approach in the white house. Would really be a dream come true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 03/06/2008

Proof that Clinton is finished:

http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 03/06/2008

Your'e forgetting about the super-delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 03/06/2008

At the risk of being repetitive, let me repost my thoughts from the "Clinton: The New Huckabee" Thread

In response to the original postulate of the article, I guess a lot of us need to wake up and smell the koolaid.

On Electoral Math

Obama still leads the elected delegates by +/- 140 and, based on a reasonable electoral mathematical analysis of the remaining contests, that won"t change significantly. In the democrats system for apportionment of delegates a candidate needs a proverbial landslide (15+ points) to gain a significant delegate advantage. After Ms Clinton"s "huge" victories in two of the largest states in the union she netted approximately 13 delegates. At this rate of closure Ms Clinton would need for there to be about 2,030 elected delegates still to be awarded. The numbers just aren"t there.

On Michigan & Florida

Presuming a windfall in the state of Michigan for Ms. Clinton seems a little farfetched in sight of the fact that she won by 15 against who??? NOBODY.

Florida she won by 17 points but that a lifetime ago in electoral politics and reasonable analysis would conclude that any contest there would probably be close also. As they say in investing "Past performance is not a reliable predictor of future results".

On Self preservation as a powerful motivator.

I don"t see the super-delegates reversing the outcome as defined by the elected delegates as a matter of self preservation. Remember, at least 535 of these are ELECTED member of the House & Senate, while many others are ELECTED state and local officials. While a few of these may be bought with promises of generous appointments and other enticements, the vast majority will have to go back to their state and local districts and face their voters.

The other act of self preservation is that of the Democratic Party, these same super-delegates can see the enthusiasm and energy that Mr. Obama brings to the process along with Millions of new people. To capture this new generation of voter and bring them into the Democratic Party would not only improve their chances in the fall at the top of the ticket but also could solidify majorities in Houses of Congress, State and Local Government bodies. This would benefit the Democratic Party for years to come.

While Hillary may very well win in the fall it would likely be a 50% + 1 campaign with low voter turn out. Further, the same machine that would be mobilized by the far right Cujo Clinton Haters, would also by association be wielded against downticket candidates who would forever be having to defend against their attacks and face an energized Republican base which would skew the voter turn out numbers in their favor. (especially in a low turn out election)

Conclusion

Once the math reaches the point where Ms Clinton can no longer get to within 100 elected delegates (maybe after WY and MS) they will shut it down for the good of the party and their own SELF-PRESERVATION.

Better for Mr. Obama to turn his sights on Mr. McCain and put his money and infrastructure to work to define him as the flip flopping, war loving, etc. (that"s for another post)

Ms. Clinton just does not bring to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY the same resources in terms of changing the dynamic of the electorate. Voters who love MS. Clinton and will defend her to the end will still do so, but for the most part they are loyal democrats and for their own self preservation they will continue to support the Party. But many of the folks that support Mr. Obama are new to the process and if they feel that they are slighted by the process they may very well just "Drop Out". This hurts the Democratic Party not just this fall but possibly for years to come.

The super delegates represent the Democratic Party and in the end will do not what may or may not be fair for Ms. Clinton but gathers the best results overall in terms of bringing Democratic elected officials to office. Remember, the Democratic Party does not exist just for the election of a President.

To wrap it up " For reasons stated I see no way for Ms. Clinton to attain the nomination and since she continues in the contest I guess to a certain extent that makes her a Huckabite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 03/06/2008
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If Hillary wins 65% in Wyoming Mar. 8,

then, 65% in Mississippi Mar. 11,

then, 65& in Pennsylvania Apr. 22,

then, 65% in Guam May 3,

then, 65% in Indiana May 6,

then, 65% in North Carolina May 6,

then, 65% in West Virginia May 13,

then, 60% in Kentucky May 20


She will have *ONE* more pledged delegate than Obama.


I wish she'd stop this farce and drop out for the good of the party. Makes me wonder... if she can't win it, then maybe she'd rather see McCain in the White House. She sure doesn't seem to want a unified Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 03/06/2008

Eureka!

A simple proof to solve the whole problem.

Obama beats McCain.

McCain beats Clinton.

ergo Obama beats Clinton.

Game over, thanks for coming, drive careful on your way home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 03/06/2008
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Is that the Deadeye theorem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 03/06/2008

Politico seems very biased towards Clinton.

Doesn't matter, really. The delegate math is with Obama and most supers are eventually going to intervene and force Clinton to quit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 03/06/2008

You just goto check this out, a blast from the past.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2111878/6659837

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 03/06/2008

Maybe Barack can stay out of the dirt, Hillery seems to have brought her oun dirty laundry!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 03/06/2008
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Thanks for the link.


If Clinton was to get the nomination, the campaign would be the '90s all over again. ::: sigh :::


* 10 minutes on whether Hillary can win
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 03/06/2008

Isn't that special.

Clinton Porn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 03/06/2008

Obama has to start arguing Clinton's experience and he has to expose any corruption that she is involved in and answer any attacks that she puts out there. I'm sure there is plenty of evidence out there that we haven't even heard about yet and since unfortunately she is lying and distorting who he is he has to defend himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 03/06/2008

Obama has been arguing that today in fact. Morning Joe.....he did it live. Obama is doing that reference experience. He's fighting, but has to get tougher. He does not have to worry about hurting her feelings, but I think that's what is holding him back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 03/06/2008

No, what's holding him back is the fact that Clintons will then attack Obama and say that he is just like them, an old mudslinging politician.
The pigs are trying to get obama in the mud.

He has to get dirty, when you are playing against the Clintonistas, you have to do as they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 03/06/2008

The MSM seems to think that since much of the Clintons' corruptions have been aired in the past they are not news. I am sure that there are a great number of voters who should be made aware of the shenanigans of the 90's.

Who's been vetted.

Obama should make the point that Hillary should be vetted by making ALL the voters aware of the full Clinton record. If Obama has a skeleton in his closet then the Clinton's have a Mass Grave Site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 03/06/2008

Don't forget......most of Hillary's bones came from fighting the republicans. Obama wins nomination........he'll get his bones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/06/2008

He should make the argument as follows:

I have already acknowledged that is was a boneheaded move to enter into a real estate transaction with a dubious figure, but, PUUUHLEEAASSEEE don't lecture me on boneheaded real estate transaction. Does Whitewater mean anything to you?

By the way, How's it going with those cattle futures?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 03/06/2008

Obama definitely needs to debunk this myth that Clinton has 35 years of relevant experience--and forcefully. But I don't agree that he should get down in the mud with her. That's simply not who he is. He can win without stooping to her level. In fact, he's already doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/06/2008

You know what they say: "Don't get in the mud with the Pig; You'll just get dirty and the pig actually likes it".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 03/06/2008
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I couldn't agree with you more. A large part of Obama's appeal is that he doesn't stoop to that level. A number of Hillary's recent smears and speeches in recent days has some of my friends (former Hillary supporters) as well as my mother (also a former Hillary supporter) thinking long and hard about switching to Obama. I think if he keeps on his positive attitude and keeps talking about the issues, he'll do just fine. His speech in Texas after the primaries were over, was a good example of how you can stay positive and still call bullshit on Hillary's negative and often completely false statements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 03/06/2008

He's from Chicago politics... there is NONE more dirty. Really... a politician from the windy city not dirty? Ugh we are indeed in trouble as a country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 03/06/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach permalink

A cup of HOPE for everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/05/2008

Rush give you a double ot spy ring when he sent you Mach? Tell you to use inflamatory remaks? Can't delete those old posts, can you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 03/06/2008
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Ignore this troll, it is not worthy of response.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 03/06/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach permalink

Why would I even HOPE to delete old posts? I dont know what a double ot spy ring is, but I sure HOPE i get one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 03/06/2008

Obama may think he has those superdelegates in his pocket, but the polls which show Obama ahead of McCain, I suspect, are theoretical ... he will face serious attacks from McCain and attacks which will resonate with voters who are now faced with the real. The real is: with global warming; a worsening recession; growing number of foreclosures against homeowners; declining value of the dollar; the predicament of Iraq and Afghanistan and the possible explosion of Pakistan; problems in South America; Cuba under a new leader; it goes on and on ... Obama is now the leader and McCain will pull out the heavy hardware. Hillary will run a campaign in every state now, and she has a growing number of surrogates. I'd also expect that if the Superdelegates in Ohio want a specific plan, she is more likely to find assistance from the Edwards camp. Her own constituency has begun to pick up a greater number of Edwards voters. This is good for her ... hopefully, she has already made some comitments to Edwards.
Lastly, has a detailed record of specific legislation which she has run as a centerist. Think about the Liberals who have "succeeded" as Presidential candidates: McGovern; Mondale; Kennedy; Dukakis;
Kerry; Dean. Wow. What a great record ... if the Democrats are stupid enough to run another Ultra Liberal with three years of senatorial experience against a war hero, who has successfully (for Republicans) managed to provide a rationale for continuing the war ... a senator who has the greatest length of time in the Senate ... well, then they will have a very hard time running uphill.
Hillary has a proven record. She is in the center, but she has a greater chance of bringing Independents to the Democrat side. She's enough of a change ... Obama will be more than many can handle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 03/05/2008

Watch out Zenhead the Obama supporters on this site are going to accuse you of having a kitchen sink to throw.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 03/06/2008
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zenhead, the nomination will ultimately go to whoever has the lead in delegates and popular votes. Super Delegates know that if they take a crap on the popular vote, they will be in big trouble with The People when they're up for re-election.

What's wrong with some of the people here who oppose democracy in an election. Winning is not self-justifying. If you oppose the concept that the one with the most votes and delegates wins, please be my guest and move to Russia where your approach to Senior Party Officials deciding elections is practiced.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 03/06/2008

Thats kind of what the Bushies are moving towards with all appointments being given to vetted Politburo members. Just ask the US Attorneys.

Kind of like the Baath Party I guess.

Then they will stack the Judiciary with their cronies.

Kind of like Musharraf I guess.

And all the cabinet positions with political hacks.

Kind of like the Kremlin I guess.

And listen to all our phone calls and read all our internet posts for National Security.

Kind of like the KGB I guess.

But what, me worry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 03/06/2008

YAWN.

Another harangue from hillary's harpies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 03/06/2008

The reason those lost wasn't because they were liberal, it was because they were elitist old farts out of touch with average Americans... which describes the Clintons more than it describes Obama. As far as experience goes... against McCain's 50 years of experience, Clinton's 7 years won't do much better than Obama's 4. The only way to win is to neutralize McCain's argument by turning experience into a bad thing by equating McCain experience with Cheney/Rumsfeld experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 03/06/2008
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So the Ohio superdelegates are using extortion to threaten Clinton and Obama.

isn't that special?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 03/05/2008

If everyone ignores them they will be irrelevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 03/05/2008

i overheard some black people at work saying that if Clinton continues to play dirty, they will vote for mccain or just stay home and advise their friends to do the same if she wins the nomination since she is comparing herself to him. i wouldn't advise that since he is leaning on bush abd his friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/05/2008

How is she playing dirty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 03/05/2008

The Hillary people say the same thing.. and guess what... then the Republicans win either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 03/06/2008

Further, these kind of whores should be drummed out of the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/05/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach permalink

The all inclusive party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 03/06/2008

This is where Obama said he made a "bone-headed" decision. This shows poor judgement.



http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/757340,CST-NWS-watchdog24.article

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 03/05/2008
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He made a mistake. Wow. I guess he's not the Messiah after all, is he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 03/05/2008

We can hope he does not make another mistake and hope he does not fear monger over judgement any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 03/05/2008

I hope he doesn't make a bone-headed decision that could land us in a war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/05/2008

Poor judgment is a common problem -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_(controversy)

Similar kind of issues -- going into a real estate investment with folks who are not so above the board.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 03/05/2008

And Hillary is the one to point this out - CLASSIC.

Heard of Whitewater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 03/06/2008

The jury is in on whitewater.........jury just cranking up on Rezko-Gate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 03/06/2008
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Obama should take on this FL and MI issue on and insist on a revote. He has nothing to fear from it and should use it to launch into a key difference between him and Hillary, he supports democracy, the majority vote determining a winner while Hillary wants a back room cabal and not the people to decide elections.

Obama is favored in MI, Hillary in FL, they will virtually cancel each other out, leaving Obama still in the lead. Even if Hillary won both states by the same 10% she won OH, she wouldn't gain more than 20 delegates and Obama would still win by over 100 dels.

Support democracy, it's a winning issue and frames Hillary as the "anything to win" candidate she is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 03/05/2008
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Who pays for a re-vote in FL & MI?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 03/05/2008

In Florida......taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 03/05/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach permalink

DNC...roughly 35 mil

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 03/05/2008
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The first step is for Obama to support democracy and empowerment.

The next step is for Granholm, Crist and the Dem parties in MI and FL to figure out how to finance it. Especially in the case of MI, where Granholm in essence told the DNC to F-Off, it's up to her to figure it out.

In the case of FL, the DNC should help out since it was the FL Repubs who forced them into that too-early date (and screwed the GOP voters by having the RNC cut delegates in half).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 03/05/2008

I believe the Democratic Party pays for caucuses and the states pay for very costly primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/06/2008

Florida's governor has offered to pay for it. I'm not sure if it's a caucus or a full election. But it will cost $10,000,000, and they're in a financial crisis. So there's a lot of screaming about that going on in Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 03/06/2008


The harpy from hell decided that it didn't have to play by the rules. It never did before, why should it now? It has it's own set of rules:

#1 screw everybody anyway that you can
#2 see #1

But if the DNC decides to change the rules in the middle of the game by either counting those non-votes or with some kind of petulant child like do-over, I believe that there will be hell to pay. The convention in Denver will make Chicago 1968 look like a day at Disneyland.

Wake up Howard and friends. The rules were set. Honorale people played by the rules.

NO changes to the rules after the game starts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 03/06/2008
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Just a reminder from "The Secret Life of Trolls":

If you ignore them, they will eventually cry and go away. Try it with mach and see what happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 03/05/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach permalink

you know you laughed.....especially at hope on a rope

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 03/05/2008

What's Rush paying you, Mach, you get a little Dittohead soup for this crap? Just read your past posts, which oil company do you work for?(Repeating the same post two days apart, lazy little weasle eh?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 03/05/2008
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