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Exit Polls: Obama Supporters Aren\'t Cultish

Exit Polls: Obama Supporters Aren't Cultish

March 5, 2008 11:29 AM


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Going into yesterday's primaries, the media obsessed themselves with gathering public opinion on what conditions should precipitate a Clinton withdrawal. What if she won only one of the two big states? What if she won neither? Well, the point is moot after last night -- an outright win in Ohio and a claim on the popular vote in the Texas primaries have punched Clinton's ticket through the Pennsylvania contest.

Buried in the poll-taking, however, was a surprising figure among those who identified themselves as Obama supporters. While 73% of Obama supporters felt that Clinton should drop out of the race if she lost both Texas and Ohio, nearly half of them (46%) felt it would be perfectly appropriate for Clinton to remain in the race, had she only won one of those states.

This percentage was far less than the number posted by "all Democrats" who felt Clinton had justifiable reason to remain in the race in the "win-one, lose-one" scenario by a 67-29 margin.

Still, there's been a lot of hand wringing in the past week about media fairness in the Democratic race. Who was the media treating unfairly, Clinton or Obama? My thought: neither! The most unfairly abused party in the race has been Obama's supporters, who are widely derided as a glassy-eyed cult of personality whose support is insincere, naive, and based on their propensity to faint dead away when they are in Obama's presence. I say "most unfairly," because unlike the two candidates, they don't have a voice in the media. They don't have an avenue to defend themselves. No one is writing SNL sketches for them.

These poll numbers indicate that Obama's supporters aren't quite the scorched-earth, anti-Hillary Kool-Aid drinkers they've been made out to be. On balance, the Obama support registers in the numbers, but a clear sign of fair-minding comity is also indicated.

Credit is due to the eagle-eyes over at 1115.org, who also note that the recent Pew poll shows that Obama's supporters are more likely to stay in the Democratic camp if their candidate doesn't get the nomination:

More Clinton supporters would switch to McCain if Obama is the nominee than Obama supporters would if Clinton is the nominee: "A quarter of Democrats (25%) who back Clinton for the nomination say they would favor McCain in a general election test against Obama. The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November..."

This may not end the "Obama supporters as cult" meme, but it should.


 
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- DofG I'm a Fan of DofG permalink
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This cynicism, from too many of people, directed at the "hope and change" idea, is reminiscent of a person in an abusive relationship. We want things to be different, and better for the country. But we have been abused for so long, and deluded by negative thinking, that we doubt the authenticity of our opportunity when it is at hand! On the face of it, who we should want to be president should be a "no brainer". But we are like the people holding on to those rocks in Richard Bach's "Illusions". Many of us would rather hold to the "tried and true", the "fighter", or the alpha male that will keep us "safe", all those familiar indicators that embodies that "rock"! Yes, we want to do this, even while in the back of our minds, we know that we will be getting what we've always been getting-fear, war, inflation and eroding wealth!

But a choice, for the betterment of all, even if it presents new challenges, will, at least, allow us to graduate from one of the oldest of all schools-FEAR! This is not about finding "hope" and "change" in Barack Obama, but in ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 03/06/2008

"...unlike the two candidates, [Obama supporters] don't have a voice in the media." Actually, they have an entire network dedicated to them called MSNBC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 03/06/2008

yeah and you have the Clinton News Network (aka CNN)--I'd rather have Keith Olbermann over some old guy name wolf ANY day, thank you! (although I'd like to trade Joe Scar-burrow for that adorable Anderson Copper please) :-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 03/06/2008

If you read all the comments of Obama's supporters on this blog, watched those chanting will.i.am videos for Obama's campaign, a reasonable person would come to the conclusiong that Obama supporters are indeed, cultish.

I mean come on "we are the ones we've been waiting for", are you serious???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 03/06/2008

WOW! jealous much you bitter old hack-lover? :-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 03/06/2008

The very fact that there's a need to address the issues of Obama's cult of personality is the proof that there's a problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008

Yes, the problem is that despite the evidence to the contrary, some continue to refer to Obama supporters as a 'cult'. Clinton and Clintonistas, good on slogans that lack humanity or insight'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 03/06/2008

I'm a professional working mom who spent 10 years in Washington, DC and capitol hill. Always had a favorable opinion of Hillary, and strongly supported Bill Clinton. I am snow supporting Obama in this race for many reasons, chief among them his innate leadership abilities, sound judgment and electability in the general election. I know many people like me - educated professionals who read newspapers and keep themselves very well informed - who are supporting Obama. I have several friends who are typical republican voters who are backing Obama. I take great offense to being dismissed as part of a "cult" when nothing could be further from the truth. Just because people are "excited" about Obama and "passionate" in their support, after 7 years of misery under George Bush, please don't belittle us by saying we are cultish. I don't attempt to belittle Hillary's supporters (many friends of mine) even though frankly I don't quite understand how anyone who has really followed her career and knows how hated she is among republicans and independents thinks she is the right choice for our nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 03/06/2008

so when is the clintonista hack divisive exclusionary greasy grind grubber personality going to be addressed??? hmmmmmmmmmm????? :-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 03/06/2008

I don't know about the MSM, but huffpo just drips with Hillary hatred.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 03/06/2008

EXACTLY!!!

-MS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 03/06/2008

OK, THAT'S IT!---I am SICK of all the Huffington bashing! www.drudgereport.com---please go spew your woman journalist hating CRAP over there~!!!!!!! :-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 03/06/2008

um, a lot of us on here ARE women. We don't hate women, we just don't like Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 03/06/2008
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Well, those 10% seem to all be here on HuffingtonPost then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 03/06/2008

Yeah how did HuffPo get the monopoly on the sell outs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 03/06/2008

We just want to see change in this country and someone who isn't beholden to the lobbyists. McCain is old... do we really want someone in their 70's in the White House ? Do we really want more of the Clintons? Please we want someone new.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 03/06/2008

I would trade the last 7 years for the 8 Clinton years, any day of the week. people forget that under Clinton, we had peace and prosperity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 03/06/2008

get this VERY CLEAR DAMIT!!!!!!!!!!
BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT NOT HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!!! so if you are going to call up all the good that happend duing B. Clinton's terms you MUST also call up ALL THE BAD!!!
AND BTW, morons, it is against the rules of our great country for somone to serve more than 2 terms as prez! :-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 03/06/2008

What we got

an Obamabot

Know the issues

He does not

Does not know

about Obama

What;s his church

whose his mama

Not a muslim

Bot knows that

And a rock star

One kool cat

Stop pollution in the breeze?

will he bring back welfare cheese?

Is he for atomic power?

Will he rebuild New York's tower?

Don't ask an obamabot

If he did know

He forgot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 03/06/2008

Obamas supporters are cultish?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 03/06/2008

did your 3 year old son come up with that? I give it a D for originality, style, and format :-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 03/06/2008

Gee, I wish McCain had Obama's problems when it comes to supporters. Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 03/06/2008

These exit polls should give super delegates something to think about. I had guessed that Obama will not necessarily get her supporters. The dream of remapping is just that......Obamaspin.

In fact, it appears that she's the candidate with more attraction power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 03/06/2008
- qwr I'm a Fan of qwr permalink

Ann,
How long have you been reading HuffPo or center-left blogs in general? If you have for any length of time, then you know that animosity toward Hillary Clinton has been building for a while now, and started before Obama entered the scene. Anti-Hillary sentiment grew with every outrage, every vote, every capitulation. I support Obama, but most of all, I don't want the Clintons anywhere near the White House. "Change" is not just a slogan. It is the real goal of most Obama supporters. There will be no reform under a Clinton administration. The kind of government she would likely run is reflected in her campaign: corrupt and nasty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 03/06/2008

Another Hillary hater that offers 0 evidence to support his claims. Politicians have been running on, "change," for centuries. There is nothing new about that.
You obamaites act like obama invented the change platform. What a joke.
Obamaites will never admit it, but the majority of them are cultists. They are looking for a saviour, not a president. There's going to massive voter remorse if obama gets elected. When he can't live up to all his campaign rhetoric. Nobody can, it's too idealistic.
I want someone grounded in reality, not pretty abstractions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 03/06/2008

You should work for the Clinton campaign....you spin everything that you see and it's usually incorrect! Thanks....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/06/2008

and where the F**K was the "attraction power" when he wiped the floor with her cellulite butt for 11 states in a row (and overseas voters)??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 03/06/2008

if they were more cultish I would feel more confident they would actually vote in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 03/05/2008
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Oh, we'll vote all right. For Obama. We're a steady, sober crowd, largely. We're the people, you might say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 03/05/2008

You're the lunatic fringe that buys into that pocketful of hope. You people talk about obama like he's some sort of sainted saviour. He is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 03/06/2008

Are you one of he Obama suporters that faint at the sound of his voice.Chants like yes we can are another sign of cult behavier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 03/06/2008

I will vote for McCain (hold my nose) if Clinton steals the nomination.

I will get everyone I know to do so to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 03/05/2008
- ESK I'm a Fan of ESK permalink
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I'm an Obama supporter. I've worked for his campaign. You're gonna need to get past it if Hillery wins the nomination, and then vote for her. Otherwise you'll be holding more than your nose if we have to go through another Republican administration. Time will heal all.

But don't be so down. The odds are still very much in his favor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 03/05/2008

and I will do the same if Oblahma is nominated!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 03/06/2008
- dill I'm a Fan of dill permalink

I have always wanted a Hillary supporter to tell me why they would not vote for Obama if he is nominated. Hillary has been using Rove methods of whisper campaigns, smears and lies to try to bring Obama down instead of fighting fairly. This is the kind of politics she and Bill love (a preview of a Hillary presidency!). Obama has stayed on message and asked about tax returns, White House records, etc. which should be part of the campaign, yet she and her supporters call this "dirty tricks". So tell me, why are you Hillary cult members so blinded by your candidate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 03/06/2008

I think if I hear "Kool-Aid," "drank the Kool-Aid" *one more time,* I will SCREAM.

Don't you people know what that is a reference to?

It is a reference to a cult leader who persuaded people to *drink cyanide and kill themselves.*

NOBODY who was alive at the time and remembers this tragedy should ever use this phrase. It is unbelievably sordid and disrespectful.

I suppose it's asking too much to ask people to quit talking about "kumbaya" and Hillary's "cankles." I don't see the point in that kind of pointless guttersniping when there are substantive issues and problems to discuss. But PLEASE quit using that phrase. It is like spitting on a grave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/05/2008
- Thad I'm a Fan of Thad permalink

"The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton. "

Presumably that means 4% would vote third-party or not at all -- actually a lower number than I expected.

I belong to the "will not vote for either Clinton or McCain under any circumstances" camp. And before anyone jumps down my throat for it, I would like to add that I live in Arizona, where John McCain could die of a heart attack three days before the election and still beat Clinton in a landslide. My vote in the general election could not possibly matter less, so there's not much sense in voting lesser-of-two-evils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 03/05/2008
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With something on the order of thousands of comments here every day accusing Obama supporters of cultism, Obamabots, etc., I see little chance for a reasoned presentation to change the tide. It is just the only accusation out there that cannot be shown to be false. Plus, it appears to be too much fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 03/05/2008
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