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Obama Camp: Clinton Picks Up Only Four Delegates

Obama Camp: Clinton Picks Up Only Four Delegates

March 5, 2008 07:39 PM


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Sen. Barack Obama's campaign is claiming that after rival Hillary Clinton's three primary election wins Tuesday night, her campaign has picked up an inconsequential net gain of only four delegates in the race to win the Democratic nomination.

That would leave Obama with a lead of more than 130 delegates, a gap that the Illinois senator's campaign says is virtually impossible for Clinton to close no matter the outcome of the remaining Democratic primaries and caucuses.

"Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote in a Wednesday afternoon email to campaign supporters and reporters. "The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead... They failed."

Plouffe's numbers have not been confirmed by any other news source. But other media outlets tracking the delegate count have come up with similar, albeit larger, tallies, calculating Clinton's net gain to be between six and eight.

The Clinton camp, when contacted by The Huffington Post, had no immediate response to Plouffe's count. Earlier in the day, however, the campaign put out a statement arguing that the distance between the two candidates would end up small enough for superdelegates - the unelected 795 party insiders and Democratic office holders who can weigh in on the primary process - to change the pledge delegate outcome.

"This race is extremely close and more than 5 million Democrats are likely to vote," read a statement from Harold Ickes, the campaign's senior advisor, and Mark Penn, the chief strategist. "After 28 million votes have been counted, the popular vote contest in the Democratic primary is within one-tenth of one percent. Applying the same level of turnout to the remaining contests, there are still more than 5 million Democratic voters... who are likely to participate in this contested primary race. After 41 primaries and caucuses, the delegate count is within roughly 2 percent."

On Tuesday evening, Clinton scored big primary victories in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island, while Obama won in Vermont. Despite going one-for-four, the Illinois Democrat emerged from the showdown with dent in his political armor but maintaining his delegate advantage.

According to NBC news, Obama now has 1,355 delegates compared to Clinton's 1,212 -- a difference of 143. CNN, meanwhile, put the margin at 1,321 for Obama, 1,186 for Clinton, a difference of 135.

With 12 Democratic primaries remaining these margins seem unlikely to drastically change, save for a major gaffe by either candidate or a wave of defections by superdelegates. Obama's camp is banking on these superdelegates to take their cue from the pledged delegate count and support the candidate with the lead. The Clinton camp, in contrast, is arguing that superdelegates should support whoever is best suited to win the White House come November, regardless of the pledge delegate tally.

Additional reporting by Max Follmer


 
 

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I find it troubling every time Sen. Obama's campaign trumpets that it won as many delegates as Sen. Clinton in states where she won the popular vote. Sen. Obama's campaign has demanded that superdelegates follow the will of the majority of their constituents, but the campaign doesn't seem to mind when the pledged delegate awards go against the popular vote. Take Nevada for example - Sen. Clinton won by a solid margin, but the headlines coming out of Sen. Obama's campaign were "We won more delegates!" By their own logic, shouldn't they be demanding that those delegates mirror the popular vote? They seem to like the rules when they work in his favor (e.g., when the proportion of delegates doesn't match the proportion of votes won,) and decry them when they don't (e.g., the rule that allows superdelegates to vote for whomever they think is best.) This is what political campaigns do in order to win, of course, but it tarnishes Sen. Obama's claim to being above the petty politics of Washington.

Anyway, I love them both and wish they would just run together already! They'd be unstoppable! And putting Sen. Clinton at the top would allow them to dodge Sen. Obama's public funds pledge problem, and they could keep raising these hilarious amounts of money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 03/06/2008

I, and many others, will never vote for a Clinton or Bush. This will be the case even if Obama is the VP. The anti-Clinton sentiment is being overlooked. One only has to look at the blogosphere to see how the anti-Clinton sentiment emerged way before Obama entered the picture. When the country tacked left, Clinton tacked left. And while there may be few differences between their platforms today, my memory is not that short. I well remember Clinton's votes and speeches in the Senate, and I won't forget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 03/08/2008

One thing is certain, Obama will beat Clinton by a significantly larger margin than Gore supporters claim he beat Bush in Florida in 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 03/06/2008

Obama just raised $55 million - so yes, the numbers definitely favor him! I'll donate for the 4th time in March - so lets break $55M next month! Obama 2008!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 03/06/2008

Oil is flirting with $106.00 a barrel as we speak. Tell your girl Hillary to help is with that one and I will gladly vote for her as she will be the second coming in my mind!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 03/06/2008

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11894
One of Antoin Rezko' good friends and business partners and also a campaign donor to Obama is Nadhmi Auchi, the Iraqi billionair. The above link has an history on Auchi--who was also implicated in the Iraq "oil for food" scandle (not at this link).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 03/06/2008

The republicans plan to out Hillary as a lesbian. Why not beat them to the punch, but in a more positive manner?

Obama should stand up for gay rights and praise her for being the first lesbian to run for the presidency. Wax on about the challenges she must face having to keep her private life under wraps.

That Hillary sure is one brave woman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 03/06/2008


For David Plouffe and Axelrod, I urge you to read this,

I think that it is obvious that the campaign has to respond to negative ads by contrasting the experience factor.
1) Yesterday on Larry King Bob Dole was so clear when asked about her experience She has 7 years in the senate and she was a first lady. Maybe it would be good to ask other republicans what they think because she thinks she can run better against them. Make an ad about that and point out that Obama has been a legislator longer.

2)Make an "institutional" ad (Obama 101) about Obama the man, reintroducing him to the state where the primary is taking place. It should contain his personal story (very compelling). Where he was born, his mother, father(agnostic) abandon at age 2, raised by white christian family, family pictures with grandparents, graduating high school, college, wedding, showing him at church.

Don't assume people know this already, this is a mistake!

Specially with the noneducated and misinformed voters that go for Hillary. Sell the man, his family, his faith and his integrity. This would have avoided the muslim rumor and would also make him look more american for those less educated people who tend to think he is less american than her.
Go Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 03/06/2008

I wonder if the backroom deal has not, in some sense, already been done. This sudden and harmonious do over, one day after the Texas and Ohio primaries, makes me nervous. I don't mean that Obama has been part of any backroom deal. That's what makes me nervous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 03/06/2008

Realistically, Florida is agreeing to another primary. The absentee ballots will be sent out in the mail, and this will take Hillary and her delegates to The White House. Florida will be the deciding state again - IMO. Four million is a small price to pay for Democracy.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 03/06/2008

What you Democrats need to understand is that we independents don't give a damn about your precious party! We will vote for the person who we believe will best serve the interests of the people and this country. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! We see this "bipartisan" system dragging this country down a shit hole and you clowns only care about holding on to power. Fiddling while Rome burns! I am voting for Obama precisely because he does have the least experience in Washington. Less time to be corrupted and bought. Of course he's not perfect. I DO have problems with some of his past votes but I still believe he is not just a corporate whore (that is NOT meant to be a sexist remark since there are mostly male corporate whores out there). I believe we are on the slow march to corporate totalitarianism. One party rule backed up by a small number of very wealthy individuals. And yes, that one party can have two heads, namely Republican and Democrat. What better way to keep the people stupid and divided?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/06/2008

I don't understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 03/06/2008

Obama is right. This may be just simple math but it encompasses a profound truth -- a profound reality -- that goes to the heart of our democracy: Every vote counts! Is'nt that why we have primaries and caucuses in the first place -- so that we can determine the allocation of delegates in each candidate's quest to reach the mountaintop? Yes, of course it is. It's called a democratic "election".

Superdelegates understand that to deny the nomination to the candidate who has EARNED the trust and loyalty of the voters via the established and accepted primary and caucusing process, would be to seriously violate a sacred tenet of our democracy -- that every vote should count. The inviolability of this process is sacrosanct and should not be tampered with!

To go against the will of the people is a serious offense and will have severe repercussions. Anyone that can't understand this fundamental truth is simply blinded by power, ambition, passion or some combination thereof.

I am sure that if the shoe were on the other foot, and the Clinton camp had the majority of elected or pledged delegates, they would be even more sanctimonious in their protestations against those who think or feel differently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/06/2008

If "every votes counts," why should NOT those of 'Super delegates' also count, i.e., have the power of "free will." The present system was certainly understood by the omniscient, godhead Obama before he began his campaign, and certainly his strategists knew they might or might NOT track the primary results!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/06/2008

Last year: 'I am the more experienced candidate.'
Last Fall: 'I have fifteen years experience.'
Late Fall: 'I have 35 years experience.'
Last night: 'I have a lifetime of experience.'


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 03/06/2008

HILLARY CLINTON IS PRIDING HERSELF ON GETTING THE SPARSLY POPULATED/RURAL VOTE - THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC THAT GEORGE W. BUSH WAS SO PROUD OF. AS A POTENTIAL PROGRESSIVE PRESIDENT, SHOULDN'T SHE BE CLEANING UP IN THE LIBERAL URBAN AREAS?
SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME. SORRY FOR YELLING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 03/06/2008

There are "rural" areas, e.g., in Texas, that are predictably Democratic-leaning. By "writing off" one cohort or another, the Democratic Party becomes even more bound up in the notion of "identity politics."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 03/06/2008

Time to get tough w/ Hillary now. What foreign policy experience does she have? What would make her more qualified to answer the 3 am call? I'd frankly be frightened if her finger was on the nuclear button. I think she'd not hesitate to use tactical nukes against sovereign countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 03/06/2008

hmmmm
I guess a little bit more that playing hoops as an "organizer" on the s side of chicago???
get real.
He can't tie her laces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/06/2008

Get tough with her? How?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 03/06/2008

visiting 84 countries in Air Force one does NOT qualify as 'foreign policy experience'. Geez, millions of people travel around the world. What matters more is what kind of MINDSET does a president have? Do we want someone who will promote peaceful conflict resolution, restore our reputation in the world,or do we want someone who continues the Bush doctrine of 'our way or get bombed'?

I would have given Hillary my 'hold the nose' vote if she became the nominee, but after her emotional and hysterical outbursts at the debates and last weekend, I will not. I don't want another psychotic instable narcissist near the button!! We're lucky that Bush didn't start WW3. Please America, do the world a favor and elect someone who will not use us all as cannonfodder or gamble with our lives in order to prove they are 'tough'!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/06/2008

BARACK OBAMA = WIMP
HILLARY CLINTON = FIGHTER

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 03/06/2008

Obama = Presidential, Wise, Statesman, rolemodel

Clinton= bully, narcissist, warmonger, Bush in drag

In her quest to prove that she is 'tuff', will she start WW3??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 03/06/2008

Its so funny to watch Clintonoids come on here and other blogs and trumpet VERBATIM talking points from the Clinton camp. "Fighter." Lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 03/06/2008

It's equally wearisome to read(?) what Obama's fanatics threaten to do should a POLITICAL process NOT end in accord with their PLAY SCHOOL delusions as to how POLITICS works: There are no "stick and stones," but "words"--arguably UGLY--have an effect: It's called PERSUASION and its integral to all serious, political disquisition.....

The annointment of Obama (the godhead) is NOT the ineluctable consequence of this or any other "childrens' crusade"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 03/06/2008

If just ONE person here can tell me how Obama gets the nomination WITHOUT superdelegates, I will switch my vote to Barack Obama. They are equally tie - you people think Obama DESERVES the nomination. He already showing he'll never be able to take the heat in a general election....walking off stage during a news conference....ARE YOU KIDDING?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 03/06/2008

Was he on stage at a news conference? Really? Truly? I thought it was one of those screamathons at an appearance when he was on his way to another appearance. Of course, I could be wrong. If so, I apologize...if not, could we please, oh please, stick to the facts. Didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/06/2008

Maybe he should have waved his finger and said he never slept with that man, Mr. Resko.

I just have one question for the Clintonoids, WHEN all is said and done, and the primaries are over, what will be new excuse she lost when he has the majority of pledged delegates, superdelegates, and popular vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 03/06/2008

Duh. Who cares about the superdelegates? Obama is going to win the delegates from voters. This is still a democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 03/06/2008

If Hillary gets the nomination, are all these scary Obama freaks going to commit suicide OR vote for the party. It's important to keep in mind that we are voting the party first and the nominee second. If you disagree with that, then you should start your own 3rd party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 03/06/2008

We "scary Obama freaks" ARE voting for the candidate not the party. We'd start a third party but the system is rigged by the double headed dragon we call our government so that no one can really break their hold on power. Only a gazillionaire like Bloomberg or Perot could even think for running for president any more. You think this a good thing? The Democratic party sucks! A bunch of do-nothing wimps who do nothing but whine about the Republicans and when they do get power they still just sit there and whine. The problem with Dumocrats is that they don't want to offend anyone. The Dumocrats need to come to a point where they act even if it means creating ill will in some people "you can't please all the people all the time". This being said I also would like you to know I have never voted Republican. I only depise them more than Dumocrats. How about a political party that actually puts the needs of the country and people above that of their own power? THAT would be a party I could vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 03/06/2008

Barak Obama wants the Superdelegates to change their traditional role, and merely vote with the popular vote in whatever constitutes their district, although some Superdelegates don"t really have geographical districts. Barak Obama thinks that the will of the people has spoken and the Superdelegates cannot be allowed to disregard their wishes. This is going against the traditional role of Superdelegates: whether or not the Democratic Party decides to eventually change the role or eliminate the position of Superdelegate, for this Primary season, the rules do not say that Superdelegates are bound to reflect the popular vote. Their responsibility is to use their political knowledge to guide the Party to chose the best candidate.

In the cases of Florida and Michigan, however, Barak Obama wants the Democratic Party to stick strictly to the "letter of the law" of decisions set down by the Party. In Florida and Michigan, Barak Obama somehow has forgotten about all that "will of the people" and "the people have spoken" stuff that seemed so important to him in the matter of the Superdelegates, but, of course, the Sainted Obama could not possibly be guilty of hypocrisy. "Obama's campaign says whether to have a repeat contest is up to the national committee, but has signaled a willingness to participate. "We're going to abide by their rules as they exist now and whatever happens in the future," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters Wednesday." The rules about Superdelegates? Ah,,,,,not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 03/06/2008

Help me out here, please. Has the "traditional role" of the super delegates ever resulted in the candidate with the fewest number of pledged delegates being the nominee? If not, doesn't that mean that the "traditional role" of the super delegate has been to respect the wishes of the Democratic Party? If so, I probably need to go and switch my party affiliation this morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 03/06/2008

Exactly if the superdelegates role was to vote the way that their districts voted then there is no point to having the superdelegates, just apportion all the delegates the same way. The whole point of the superdelegates is to break ties when a candidate cannot get the requisite number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 03/06/2008

What candidate would say "Keep to the spirit, rather than the letter of the law, even though I will lose the race as a result?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 03/06/2008

Snow White & The Seven Dwarfs

The seven dwarfs always left to go work in the mine early each morning. As always, Snow White stayed home doing her domestic chores. As lunchtime approached, she would prepare their lunch and carry it to the mine. One day as she arrived at the mine with the lunch, she saw that there had been a terrible cave-in.
Tearfully, and fearing the worst, Snow White began calling out, hoping against hope that the dwarfs had somehow survived. "Hello, hello!" she shouted. "Can anyone hear me? Hello!"
For a long while, there was no answer. Losing hope, Snow White again shouted, "Hello! Is anyone down there?" Just as she was about to give up all hope, there came a faint voice from deep within the mine.
"Vote for Hillary, Vote for Hillary."
Snow White fell to her knees, crossed herself, and prayed, "Oh, thank you, God! At least Dopey is still alive."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 03/06/2008

And so the pissed off progressive base will leave and vote in droves for Nader if Clinton continues to lie and steal the nomination. And you will end up with President McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 03/06/2008

African Americans and all those new young voters will stay home in large numbers. "Progressives" can't stomach more wars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 03/06/2008

And even with Nader in the race in 2000 and all the progressives voting for him Gore still won the election except for the lies from Florida. Hillary will get every vote Gore got and more.