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JOAN LOWY | March 6, 2008 11:51 PM EST | AP

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Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean delivers a guest lecture to a class in comparative politics at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., in this May file photo. Dean urged Florida and Michigan party officials to come up with plans to repeat their presidential nominating contests so that their delegates can be counted. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot, FILE)

WASHINGTON — The former head of the Democratic National Committee doubted Thursday whether chairman Howard Dean would be able to get approval for do-over presidential nomination contests in Florida and Michigan.

"It'll be a hellacious battle," said Don Fowler, a former DNC chairman who sits on the party's rule-making committee.

Before the primaries started, "Howard Dean had enough votes to get most everything he wanted. Now that this thing has gone as far as it has and the lines have formed according to candidates, I'm not sure how that vote would shake out now," said Fowler, who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Nonetheless, Fowler said, something has to be done, "the rules be damned," to seat delegates from states Democrats have to and can win in the general election. "We're going to forfeit those two big states? What kind of fools would we be," he said.

Officials in Michigan and Florida have shown renewed interest in holding repeat nominating contests, and Dean has urged party officials in both states to come up with plans for how that can be done so their delegates can be counted at the national convention in late August.

"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated," Dean said Thursday during interviews on network and cable TV news programs.

Dean said the parties will have to pay for new contests.

"We can't afford to do that. That's not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race," he said. The DNC offered to pay for an alternative contest in Florida last summer but was turned down, officials at the party say.

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Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, another of Clinton's supporters, also called for a new Florida primary, but paid for by the national party. Nelson and Dean spoke by telephone Thursday evening and Dean reiterated that the DNC will not pay for a new primary.

Cost may be a barrier. During a meeting Wednesday night among House Democrats from Florida and Michigan, Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida relayed estimates that another primary would cost the state between $22 million and $24 million, a vote-by-mail contest would cost at least $8 million and the bill for a caucus would be about $4 million, said Hastings spokesman David Goldenberg.

In Michigan, the cost could be as high as $10 million, depending on the type of contest, according to Democratic officials. Liz Boyd, a spokeswoman for Democratic Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, said Thursday evening that nothing had been ruled out but it was beginning to appear as if the cost and logistics may be insurmountable.

Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said Thursday he would sign a bill for a new Democratic primary _ legislative approval is required _ but only if it was a last resort and only if the national party pays for it. But that seems unlikely, given Dean's insistence that he won't pay.

Top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and Florida's state party chair all now say they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. Officials in both states previously had insisted that the primaries held in January should determine how their delegates are allocated.

Clinton said she'd wait to see what proposals are put forward.

She won both contests, but no delegates. The results were meaningless since the elections violated national party rules. The DNC stripped both states of their delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates _ including Clinton and rival Barack Obama _ agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

"I think it would be a grave disservice to the voters of Florida and Michigan to adopt any process that would disenfranchise anyone," Clinton said at a news conference Thursday. "Therefore I am still committed to seating their delegations, and I know they are working with the Democratic Party to determine how best to proceed."

She said it would be especially unfair to punish the 1.7 million Floridians who voted in the Democratic primary since the Republican-controlled Legislature and the state's Republican governor changed the date.

"They clearly believed that their votes would count, and I think that there has to be a way to make them count," Clinton said.

Obama said Thursday that the DNC should decide how to settle the dispute.

"I think it's important to make sure that people of Michigan and Florida feel as if they're part of this process and that they're heard. And we've just decided that we're going to play by whatever the rules the DNC has set forth," he told ABC News. "That's what we've done from the start.

"And I'll leave it up to the Democratic National Committee to make a decision about how to resolve it. But I certainly want to make sure that we've got Michigan and Florida delegates at the convention in some fashion," Obama said.

He said the DNC also should decide how to pay for any new contest.

Florida and Michigan moved up their contests to protest the party's decision to allow Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, followed by South Carolina and Nevada.

"The rules were set a year and a half ago," Dean said. "Florida and Michigan voted for them, then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. Well, when you are in a contest you do need to abide by the rules. Everybody has to play by the rules out of respect for both campaigns and the other 48 states."

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Associated Press writers Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., Tim Martin in Lansing, Mich., and Brendan Farrington in Tallahassee, Fla., contributed to this report.

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- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 38 fans permalink

I live in Florida and I'm all for it. Counting the bogus "this vote won't count" results from January is not an option. Give them a couple of months to campaign here and in Michigan then have a do-over.

I say this as an Obama supporter who openly accepts that Hillary will likely win this state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 03/06/2008
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

Hillary will only win if its an open primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/06/2008

FINALLY!
Look forward to recasting my vote for Madame President in Florida - this state would have gone nuclear if it weren't heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008

I would love to have the phrase 'Madame President' heard as soon as possible. Just not Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/06/2008
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The state is already nuclear, nuclear nuts. Stop screwing up and trying to win every election by cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 03/06/2008

Would you consider Obama and as running mate, Barbara Boxer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/06/2008
- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 38 fans permalink

America is ready for a woman president...just not that woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/06/2008

I look forward to nullifying your vote in FL with my vote for the best candidate for the job, [President] Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 03/06/2008
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The Florida didnt go nuclear when Gore was cheated there....So stfu!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 35 fans permalink

Exactly. And the nuclear option would be to stay home in November. Which likely still will happen if BHO is the nominee as he has pretty much alienated Florida and MI beyond repair at this juncture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 03/06/2008
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The people of Florida should have the vote in that state taken away simply for foisting King George on the country 7 years ago. Folks who can't correctly punch a card and count the votes don't deserve to participate. Again thanks for 7 years of hell Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 03/06/2008
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 29 fans permalink

authoritarian and anti-democratic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 03/06/2008

I'm okay with a "do over".

How frickin' hard is it to follow the rules. If the Clinton camp really wants each vote to count they, along with Obama, should jump at the chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008

True - how hard is it not to run an ad in Florida? Gotta play by the rules, like you said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/06/2008
- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 38 fans permalink

Obama didn't "run ads in Florida"...he ran ads on national networks that showed everywhere including Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 35 fans permalink

Actually, it's impossible to run an ad on cable tv in a state without doing so deliberately. The Cable act makes cable television a wholly state regulated beast with local franchises. Anyone falling for the "national ad buy" line is a fool. Notice no other campaign seemed to be "forced" into running ads in Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 03/06/2008

Actually, if you're referring to Obama's national ad, it's very hard to not run an ad in one state. It's a NATIONAL buy. When you do a media buy like that it's very difficult to exclude an area. Now go think up another bumper sticker bullet point to regurgitate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 03/06/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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As an Obama supporter, without a doubt - I support another vote in Florida and Michigan. at best, Hillary will only pick up a handfull of delegates from Florida, and with Hillary only beating "uncommited" by 15% in Michigan, it is tough to see how she can win there. At best for Hillary - she would pick up 20-30 delegates. Quite possibly, it will be a wash. All signs from the Clinton campaign is they haven't wanted a do-over, they just wanted the previous results to stand. She gains next to nothing by having another vote. She has everything to gain by arguing the previous results should stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 03/06/2008

I agree, with a "do over" it is fair. Each party gets equal time and has equal opportunity. The call to allow the product of an disqualified process to stand just doesn't make any sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/06/2008
- uglybetty I'm a Fan of uglybetty 6 fans permalink

I don't really think it's about... Gain..,it is about these two states being Heard !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 03/06/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

If Dean doesn't resolve this, I believe that the convention will be contested heatedly by Michigan and Florida delegates.

Dean won't pay for the do-overs. Florida has said absolutely no way it can afford it.

So there is no solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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There are solutions - it will take 25 million to run another election there. Democratic interest groups or even the candidates themselves can put together a grass-roots fund to get it done. They can raise this money in weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/06/2008

No Muligan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 03/06/2008
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Why should anyone fund and reward cheaters, get a grip!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 35 fans permalink

The problem with this is that it is 25 million less to spend fighting McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 03/06/2008
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 31 fans permalink

IF FLoridians and Michiganders absolutely WANT to REDO, let them pay for it, they did NOT protest befor with rules nor lobby to change so FAIR and the CANDIDATES other than the CLINTONS followed the rules that WERE AGREED UPON.
PAY FOR IT YOUR SELF or frankly go ahead, be desenfranchised...ESPECIALLY FLORIDIANS, we've all paid enough for THIER incompetency in the past and to whine NOW but FAILED TO GET FULLY INVOLVED TO STOP IT , is absurd and as usual discombulating the process where at least the agreed rules were indeed adhered to.
WHY do all the rest of us keep having to pay for FLORIDA ESPECIALLY ??? AM rather tired of it/them !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/06/2008

The solution is to stick to the current rules instead of trying to stack the deck in Clinton's favor by altering the rules in the middle of the game. The solution is to have the integrity to win or LOSE (as Clinton is doing so well) within the confines of the game as setup when each player began. That is the solution. Marinate on that for awhile, Kiki.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 03/06/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

I believe you would see Florida and Michigan delegates protesting the convention. If so, it's not going to be the fault of Clinton. It will be between the DNC and the states.

Talk about a nifty story for the press to cover. I can see it now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 03/06/2008

Well, as a party, we continue to show the nation how clueless we are. Dean is a complete doofus. First we won't, now we must? And the states are expected to just snap to? Heckuva job, Doofus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/06/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 65 fans permalink
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Maybe someone should put you in charge, since you seem to think you have the answers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 03/06/2008
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Howard Dean talks some of the best "talking points" of anyone I know.
Very educational for the country. Sticking to his "playing the game" and "following the Rules" message is a good thing to do at this time.
I appreciate him and still regret that he never got to make it to the Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 03/06/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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He has been good. I really like the way he has built the 50 state strategy, unlike McCauliffe - who believed in a 12 state strategy. Funny, he is applying that same logic to Hillary's campaign - focusing on 12 or so states, and doing nothing to expand the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/06/2008
- mrJJ I'm a Fan of mrJJ 23 fans permalink

The party bosses of FL & MI decided to defy the party rules. Why should they get any do over? They had 30 days to reconsider their decision.... They decided to NOT have their delegates seated.

DNC Strips Florida Of 2008 Delegates
No Convention Slots Unless Later Primary Is Set

Sunday, August 26, 2007; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/25/AR2007082500275.html?hpid=topnews

Judge OKs DNC sanctions over Fla. primary

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm


The DNC Credentials Committee is made up of 3 people. Those 3 people ALL SERVED in the Cinton Administration

That leads us to the three co-chairs of the DNC Credentials Committee: Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt, Jr. and Aliseo Roques-Arroyo. All three of them served in the Clinton Administration. Okay, as far as we know they are all reputable, upstanding people, but if you were Hillary Clinton and these three people worked for you and your husband during the 8 presidential years Hillary includes on her "35 years of experience," wouldn't you feel like you might have some influence on the three co-chairs? After all, the decision of the DNC Credentials Committee will be political; this is not a judicial process.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/036

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/06/2008
- Sisyphuss I'm a Fan of Sisyphuss 13 fans permalink

I believe the Credentials Committee will comprise MANY more people than just the 3 you mentioned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 03/06/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 378 fans permalink
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"Credentials Committee
Elected to chair the Credentials Committee are Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt, Jr. and Eliseo Roques-Arroyo. Alexis Herman served as U.S. Secretary of Labor from 1997 to 2001. She served as DNC Chief of Staff for Chairman Ron Brown and later was named CEO of the 1992 Democratic National Convention. Since 2005, she has served as a Co-Chair of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee and also served as a Co-Chair of the Commission on Presidential Nomination Timing and Scheduling. James Roosevelt, Jr. is President and CEO of Tufts Health Plan, a Massachusetts based Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) and was formerly Associate Commissioner for Retirement Policy of the Social Security Administration in the Clinton Administration. He is the chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party and Co-Chair of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee. Eliseo Roques-Arroyo, a native of Puerto Rico, served as Executive Assistant to Commonwealth of Puerto Rico Senate Minority Leader Miguel Hernandez-Agosto and to Puerto Rico Delegate to Congress Antonio J. Colorado. He is a former Executive Director of the Democratic Party of Puerto Rico and presently a member of the DNC."

http://www.demconvention.com/dnc-elects-standing-committee-leadership-for-2008-democratic-national-convention-2/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 03/06/2008

comittee has 25 members i dont know the names

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 03/06/2008
- rinpochet I'm a Fan of rinpochet 44 fans permalink

Now we can have a fair fight. Both names on the ballot. Lots of campaigning and let the best person (sans dirty tricks) win.

I doubt you'll see these states playing the same game next time around. It is really going to cost them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/06/2008

The voters of Ohio rewarded Hillary's negative campaigning. You think she is going her negative campaigning now? Snowballs chance in hell. She'll throw mud on her way out. And she can be helpful in McCain becoming President, just as Bill could have stayed away from the intern, and Gore may have been President to this day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/06/2008
- Bobby I'm a Fan of Bobby 15 fans permalink

I'm a resident of the state of Florida. I'm willing to do another primary. It also needs to be figured out by the Democratic party of Florida and not the Republican Governor. He's a McCain backer by the way. But both Michigan and Florida have to have similar rules. My guess is that Hillary will probably win Florida, because of all the blue hairs (I'm not one by the way), but Obama will win Michigan, mostly because of it's economy and other factors. How the delegates will be handed out will have to be figured out by Chuck Todd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/06/2008

Dean, what a moron.

Neither candidate wants a do over.

The states don't want to pay for them either.

Fogetaboudit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/06/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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I agree that neither campaign wants a do over, but, he is calling the states bluff on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 03/06/2008
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 78 fans permalink

As a FL resident, I'm all for a Do-Over with one caveat: There have to be safeguards in place to prevent Republicans --- who may have already voted in their own party's primay --- from trying to influence the Democratic primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/06/2008
- daveny I'm a Fan of daveny 12 fans permalink

I know... we don't want the dittoheads following Rush's orders again to vote for Hillary...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 03/06/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 208 fans permalink
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Excellent point! But the only recourse would be to deny registered Republicans the right to vote in this go-over, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 03/06/2008
- uglybetty I'm a Fan of uglybetty 6 fans permalink

You obviously mean like what was done in Iowa ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/06/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Wow, that is a good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/06/2008
- mix2007 I'm a Fan of mix2007 6 fans permalink

OverIt, very good point. Very very good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 03/06/2008

Then there should be safeguards to only allow registered democrats not independents either. We know many of these independents will be voting Republican in Nov so they may be trying to mess up as well. Besides, I thought Obama likes Republicans - He calls them Obamacans. His premise is unity and he hopes Republicans will join him in his dream. In fact he claims he can bring them into his own tent. Why cold feet now?? What happened to reaching across party lines?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 03/06/2008
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 78 fans permalink

I don't agree with your points. But perhaps I need to restate my earlier premise more clearly. I don't think there is much that can/should be done legally to prevent Republicans WHO DID NOT VOTE IN JANUARY from now signing up as Democrats even if it would unduly influence the process. My concern is the potential for abuse from Reps, Dems, and Indp. who have ALREADY voted this primary season in FL, MI, or any other state. That is against the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 03/06/2008
- griffon2k I'm a Fan of griffon2k 2 fans permalink

Best point I've heard in this whole fracas. The last thing we need is Republicans who planning to support McCain in November trying to determine which nominee we select to run against him.

That's another reason we need to select our nominee as soon as possible.

The Republicans KNOW their at a disadvantage this election year. Rush Limbaugh's call for them to influence the Demcratic nomination process proves they'll do anything they have to get the nominee that they want: Hillary.

To prevent this from happening, the voting lists should be marked for any Republicans who have already voted.

-OR-

Registered Republicans should not be allowed to participate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 03/06/2008
- gwhizz I'm a Fan of gwhizz 20 fans permalink
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They're not. FL primaries are CLOSED. Not eve Indys can vote in them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/06/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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I'm sure Cilnton will want a "PRIMARY while Obama will want "CAUCASES"

That will be the next obstacle - Wait and See

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/06/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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No, Hillary does not want a do over at all. By doing that -at best- she will pick up 20 or so delegates. That just will not cut it. She needs the previous results to stand in order to make up her delegate problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 03/06/2008
- anthonylee I'm a Fan of anthonylee 4 fans permalink
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"Dems the rules" that Dean has asked the States to submit to the DNC! The candidates have no say-so in it.

States will be looking at if from a COST/TIME perspective . . . not about "wants/desires" of a particular candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/06/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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How convenient.

I'm sure your assessment has NOTHING at ALL to do with the fact that Caucuses are CHEAPER to hold than Primaries (Sarcasm).

You are soooooooooooooooooooooooo Transparent - Obama Shill

GOT YA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 03/06/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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You are Sooooooooooooooooooooooo Transparent.

As you and I are both aware, Obama does better in the Caucuses, and Hillary scored BIG in the Florida Primary.

You are clearly an OBAMANIAC and therefore are " PROMOTING" your position.

BUSTED!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 03/06/2008

Florida and Michigan are primary, not caucus, states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/06/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Do-over contests? That's fair for Obama? Hillary agreed to the rules when she was the front-runner. Now that she needs the delegates she wants to change the rules. Why wasn't this discussed a months ago or during Obama's momentum?

The Democratic Party will lose African Americans and youth voters if Obama's nomination is stolen by the Hillary machine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 03/06/2008
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lose? more like set off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/06/2008
- uglybetty I'm a Fan of uglybetty 6 fans permalink

How can you blame Hillary for Stealing Obamas nomination ?? this is supposed to be an election, and I fail to see that Obama has Won it !! Did I miss that ??
Why would Obama want to disinfranchise 2 states in this election ?? I certainly donot believe he will be shown any favoritism in Nov. if thats what he wishes to do !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/06/2008

I hope you're joking. Obama has won twice as many states as Hillary. Had won eleven states in a row. Won the popular vote and more delegates than her. These are all facts and if that doesn't tell you who America wants well then you must be obtuse. The only reason the states are in question for a re-vote is because Hillary can not win without them and she knows it. There is a process and there are rules, all the candidates knew them and all the states knew them. Your state disenfranchised your vote by not following them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/06/2008
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Why didn't MI and FL followed the rules? And why did Hillary agreed that MI and FL could not be seated.


Oh yeah, because she was the heir apparent. But that's no longer the case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 03/06/2008
- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 38 fans permalink

At no time has Obama ever implied that he wants to "disenfranchise voters." In fact, he polls well ahead in Michigan and would likely win in a do-over.

Please do not misrepresent the candidates' positions. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/06/2008
- griffon2k I'm a Fan of griffon2k 2 fans permalink

Why did Hillary AGREE to "disenfranchise" the states when she was the frontrunner?

Why is she so concerned about "disenfranchising" these delegates now that she's behind?

Obama DOESN'T make the call about whether these states get to re-vote, Dean and their governors do.

Stop trying to lay blame at his doorstep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/06/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 208 fans permalink
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It bears repeating. Both Obama and Clinton agreed to, as you say, "disenfranchise" two states in this election BEFORE the primaries began. But apparently the Clinton campaign realized at some point that Hillary's nomination wasn't "inevitable" as everyone thought and now that she's losing in the delegate count, SHE alone wants to change the rules in midstream. This is the essence of the argument and for you to deny it is the height of self-deception and hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 03/06/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

You are so right, iP---but look at the photo of Howard Dean with Hillary. Oh, sure, it's probably a year old, but it makes me unhappy anyway. That there even is a do over tells me that Dean isn't a man that's going to do anything but give Hillary her own way. I am shattered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 03/06/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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Yeah Right, and they will be RUNNING over to the REPIGS and vote for John McLame - LMAO!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 03/06/2008

Fair for Obama? We're talking about ways to be fair to the voters of Michigan and Florida, whom should have a say in who the nominee is going to be. Besides, things could turn out differently in Michigan since Obama was stupid enough to take his name off the ballot the first time.

This wasn't discussed months ago because MI and FL flat out refused to talk about it. Elections are expensive and they already had them. Michigan is particularly cash-strapped so it isn't simple to just magically arrange a "do-over."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/06/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 59 fans permalink
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'the results were meaningless'

Clearly the results had a lot of meaning. They mean Obama's effort to disenfranchise millions of voters is back-firing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 03/06/2008

You don't get this whole thing do you noodles?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 03/06/2008
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wth does this have to do with obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 03/06/2008
- estreya I'm a Fan of estreya 7 fans permalink

Obama had nothing to do with establish the rules long before this battle began. He simply agreed to the rules, as Hillary Clinton did, but only she later refused to play by them when the "game" wasn't going her way.

But this is not a game. Blood is being shed in our name, an occupation based on lies, and Clinton is complicit in that horror.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008
- uglybetty I'm a Fan of uglybetty 6 fans permalink

Just who did Break the rules ?? Obama and Clinton BOTH appeared in Florida !!
What are you insinuating ..blood is being shed in OUR NAME ????..
Who is OUR ????
Don't you think you're getting a little carried away with the Hillary HATE ????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 03/06/2008
- daveny I'm a Fan of daveny 12 fans permalink

Ummm how is it his effort to disenfranchise millions of voters?

Seriously, give me the logic of that. His name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, and no one campaigned in Florida, because they ALL AGREED TO THE SAME RULES.

Has Obama ever said he would oppose a do-over? Something within those rules? With the approval of the Dem party? NO.

You're just another Hillary Cultist... give it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 35 fans permalink

"and no one campaigned in Florida, because they ALL AGREED TO THE SAME RULES."

UmmmObama campaigned in Florida. he was the only one to cheat and do so, but he did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/06/2008
- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 38 fans permalink

Obama never attempted to "disenfranchise voters," the Democratic Party did. Per the party rules, Obama agreed not to campaign in Florida and didn't even have his name on the ballot in Michigan. It's not wrong of him to expect the party to abide by the rules they set.

Imagine if toward the end of the football season the NFL decided to make the preseason games count. That's what Hillary is trying to do by seating delegates based on the bogus January results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 03/06/2008
- nerakami I'm a Fan of nerakami 14 fans permalink

The Democratic party did not attempt to disenfranchise voters ... IT IS THE GOVERNORS of both Florida and Michigan we have to thank for this mess. Why did these 2 states of all the other 49 states chose NOT to follow the rules???? Did they think they were above the rules?? These two Governors put their signatures to the document that stated their states would LOSE their delegates if they broke the rules by moving up their primaries.... THEY SIGNED IT ANYWAY. We need to hold these two Governors accountable for playing footsie with our privilege to vote. I hold the personally responsible for such a BONE-HEAD move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 03/06/2008
- uglybetty I'm a Fan of uglybetty 6 fans permalink

There can't be an argument if they have a do over !!
Only if Obama tries to prevent one ,will he be disenfranchising these two states !!!
That has Nothing to do with Hillary, and certainly ..no cheating ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 35 fans permalink

"the party rules, Obama agreed not to campaign in Florida"

* Excpet for being the IONLY candidate to actively campaign in Florida with televion advertising.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/06/2008
- Bocababs I'm a Fan of Bocababs 19 fans permalink

Okay, since I live in Florida...I say....okay...but ONLY if both of them.....to be fair, can campaign down here and run ads. NO NEGATIVE ADS...HILLARY....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 03/06/2008

What's the point of having rules if they're going to be broken - which Fla and Mich both knew in advance. Honestly, no disrespect meant to either state and its citizens, but why bother to allow this when the other states went along with the plan. Forget it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 03/06/2008

because this link will tell you what the rules actually are, istead of what you would like them to be

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/florida-and-michigan.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 03/06/2008
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you are okay with paying for another election?!? i'm not. our state party officials made this decision. not us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 03/06/2008

ALL is fair game in politics Babs...your boy Obama needs to get a thicker skin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/06/2008
- Melissa I'm a Fan of Melissa 24 fans permalink

He really is starting to whine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 03/06/2008
- barriosbabe I'm a Fan of barriosbabe 242 fans permalink
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"Boy"?

Yikes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 03/06/2008

So you think Obama should just let Hillary sling mud and not say anything about it? That is such a wonderfully human thing to say. Your parents must be so proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/06/2008
- uglybetty I'm a Fan of uglybetty 6 fans permalink

Does that work both ways ?? ...or just against Hillary ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 03/06/2008
- liberal I'm a Fan of liberal 2 fans permalink
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Florida voters disenfranchised again, Governor Crist wants to be vice president, can you guess why the primary was moved up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 03/06/2008
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