Dean Urges Do-Overs in Florida, Michigan

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JOAN LOWY | March 6, 2008 11:51 PM EST | AP

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Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean delivers a guest lecture to a class in comparative politics at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., in this May file photo. Dean urged Florida and Michigan party officials to come up with plans to repeat their presidential nominating contests so that their delegates can be counted. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot, FILE)

WASHINGTON — The former head of the Democratic National Committee doubted Thursday whether chairman Howard Dean would be able to get approval for do-over presidential nomination contests in Florida and Michigan.

"It'll be a hellacious battle," said Don Fowler, a former DNC chairman who sits on the party's rule-making committee.

Before the primaries started, "Howard Dean had enough votes to get most everything he wanted. Now that this thing has gone as far as it has and the lines have formed according to candidates, I'm not sure how that vote would shake out now," said Fowler, who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Nonetheless, Fowler said, something has to be done, "the rules be damned," to seat delegates from states Democrats have to and can win in the general election. "We're going to forfeit those two big states? What kind of fools would we be," he said.

Officials in Michigan and Florida have shown renewed interest in holding repeat nominating contests, and Dean has urged party officials in both states to come up with plans for how that can be done so their delegates can be counted at the national convention in late August.

"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated," Dean said Thursday during interviews on network and cable TV news programs.

Dean said the parties will have to pay for new contests.

"We can't afford to do that. That's not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race," he said. The DNC offered to pay for an alternative contest in Florida last summer but was turned down, officials at the party say.

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Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, another of Clinton's supporters, also called for a new Florida primary, but paid for by the national party. Nelson and Dean spoke by telephone Thursday evening and Dean reiterated that the DNC will not pay for a new primary.

Cost may be a barrier. During a meeting Wednesday night among House Democrats from Florida and Michigan, Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida relayed estimates that another primary would cost the state between $22 million and $24 million, a vote-by-mail contest would cost at least $8 million and the bill for a caucus would be about $4 million, said Hastings spokesman David Goldenberg.

In Michigan, the cost could be as high as $10 million, depending on the type of contest, according to Democratic officials. Liz Boyd, a spokeswoman for Democratic Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, said Thursday evening that nothing had been ruled out but it was beginning to appear as if the cost and logistics may be insurmountable.

Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said Thursday he would sign a bill for a new Democratic primary _ legislative approval is required _ but only if it was a last resort and only if the national party pays for it. But that seems unlikely, given Dean's insistence that he won't pay.

Top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and Florida's state party chair all now say they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. Officials in both states previously had insisted that the primaries held in January should determine how their delegates are allocated.

Clinton said she'd wait to see what proposals are put forward.

She won both contests, but no delegates. The results were meaningless since the elections violated national party rules. The DNC stripped both states of their delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates _ including Clinton and rival Barack Obama _ agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

"I think it would be a grave disservice to the voters of Florida and Michigan to adopt any process that would disenfranchise anyone," Clinton said at a news conference Thursday. "Therefore I am still committed to seating their delegations, and I know they are working with the Democratic Party to determine how best to proceed."

She said it would be especially unfair to punish the 1.7 million Floridians who voted in the Democratic primary since the Republican-controlled Legislature and the state's Republican governor changed the date.

"They clearly believed that their votes would count, and I think that there has to be a way to make them count," Clinton said.

Obama said Thursday that the DNC should decide how to settle the dispute.

"I think it's important to make sure that people of Michigan and Florida feel as if they're part of this process and that they're heard. And we've just decided that we're going to play by whatever the rules the DNC has set forth," he told ABC News. "That's what we've done from the start.

"And I'll leave it up to the Democratic National Committee to make a decision about how to resolve it. But I certainly want to make sure that we've got Michigan and Florida delegates at the convention in some fashion," Obama said.

He said the DNC also should decide how to pay for any new contest.

Florida and Michigan moved up their contests to protest the party's decision to allow Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, followed by South Carolina and Nevada.

"The rules were set a year and a half ago," Dean said. "Florida and Michigan voted for them, then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. Well, when you are in a contest you do need to abide by the rules. Everybody has to play by the rules out of respect for both campaigns and the other 48 states."

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Associated Press writers Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., Tim Martin in Lansing, Mich., and Brendan Farrington in Tallahassee, Fla., contributed to this report.

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- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 492 fans permalink
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Congressman Wexler was just on Randi Rhodes saying he prefers a brokered solution between the FL Democratic party, the national party, and the two campaigns. His reasoning—the FL legislature will have to pass a bill in order for a caucus to go forward, and the FL legislature is heavily Republican. Wexler doesn't trust the legislature to handle a Democratic caucus.

So that's the latest from FL. I don't know what to say to that. I think FL needs to vote again. And wouldn't the same legislature have handled the primary anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/06/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

So Wexler has doubts that the FL Republicans can "handle" a Dem caucas?

Really?

He must be completely confidnet that the FL Democrats cannot handle a Dem caucas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 03/06/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

the Florida Primary had record turnout, about 1,750,000 DEMS voted, why do they need to vote again? it was all fair and square, Hillary got 50% of the vot, Obama got 33% of the vote, live with it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 03/06/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Yup - hard to believe that the legislature that got them into this mess is going to get them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 03/06/2008

Let's be clear, Clinton DOES NOT want a do-over. Geraldine Ferraro (Clintonite) was on News Hour last night, and she said Clinton just wants the primary in Florida, in which she won so handily to a non-campaigning Obama, to count. She's not bothered so much by Michigan. The fact that she only won that primary by 15 points to "uncommitted" might give Superdelegates pause to think.

Adding Florida does not give her much. She'd still be behind in delegates and would still be unlikely to catch up. She'd still be behind in popular vote, BUT she this might be in striking distance if she had an especially strong showing in the remaining states. I think that's the strategy here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/06/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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I totally disagree. You cannot just seat the FL delegates either because if the primary was held super Tuesday or later per party rules Edwards would have been out of the race. It give the false impression that Hillary would have won a landslide victory in FL which would only give her ammunition in her so-called "narrative" argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/06/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

That is what she wants, but per Howard Dean, she's not gonna get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 03/06/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Dems know Obama is better at top of the ticket

"House Candidate Hopes for Obama Coattail Effect"

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/06/house-candidate-hopes-for-obama-coattail-effect/?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/06/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 492 fans permalink
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I don't want any part of the "dream ticket."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 03/06/2008
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I don't either! Obama can do soooo much better ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/06/2008
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I agree, Obama can do so much better! ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/06/2008
- jhink465 I'm a Fan of jhink465 12 fans permalink

Why is this so hard to resolve?

Fl & Mi want a voice at the convention. Sems reasonable and important that they d have a voice. Then there are all these issues about fairness and money and the possibility of rebellion by one side or the other. It seems to me everything can be settled by dividing the Fl & Mi delegates 50/50 between Obama & Clinton. No cost, no fuss problem solved. Everybody's happy. Am I missing anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/06/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 492 fans permalink
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Doesn't represent the voters. That, after all, is the point of an election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 03/06/2008
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fair? none of this was or will be fair, what we need is an acceptable solution so we don't lose FL MI in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 03/06/2008
- jhink465 I'm a Fan of jhink465 12 fans permalink

Whoa Nelly! The results of the Fl & Mi primaries have no weight because there was not a full blown campaign in these states by prior agreement. Hillary is looking for a cheap win. The idea that she gets the Mi delegates by virtue of being the only name on the Mi ballot is absurd on its face. This isn't the old Soviet Union - yet. I don't think we ever want to get there. The only reasonable disposition of this dilemma is to split the delegates 50/50. No harm no foul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/06/2008
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perfect solution..­. then let the super delegates fall where they may

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/06/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

Why? Because a billion and a half dollars will have been spent, and people are gonna be pissed. This isn't about the people, this is about Soros and the Kennedy-mafia having to answer for all the money they wasted. If they don't get their candidate the nomination, they're out forever. No one will ever listen to them again when they come knocking for campaign donations in the future. It's the same thing with the Clintons. Although I doubt she'll have to answer to the Mob like Kennedy will. He's gotta be shitting his Depends at this point.

"What's that? It's a Sicilian message. It means Teddy sleeps with the Kopechne's"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/06/2008
- huffposeur I'm a Fan of huffposeur 20 fans permalink

ARE YOU MISSING ANYTHING?????

lemme guess: you don't think they should keep score in little kids' soccer games, do you? somebody's feelings might get hurt, right?

you need to go back to Psephology 101 and this time sign up for a course that isn't taught by Professor Rodney King.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 03/06/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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This would be the only way to fairly broker the delegates. You cannot give Hillary more delegates than Obama in MI because he was not on the ballot. You cannot give Hillary the proportional amount of delegates she had in FL because Edwards would have not been in the race if they did not break the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/06/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

On NPR last night, Dean said it's expressly against party rules to divide the delegates by pre-determined ratios, there is zero percent chance of that being the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 03/06/2008
- lvogt I'm a Fan of lvogt 25 fans permalink

They can spend the money but they will be moderately close in both states. I won't change a thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/06/2008
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I agree, Obama will have the pledged delegate and popular vote lead going into the convention. Any result that allows Hillary Clinton to get the nomination will be a manipulation of the system and a farce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/06/2008
- Egghead I'm a Fan of Egghead 18 fans permalink

I don't know *what* people's problem is here. I saw this and I about cried with relief. FINALLY MI and FL get a chance to vote--not a vote with only one person on the ballot. And still everyone is pissed off!

Look. Dean really is neutral. He is not favoring anybody. He doesn't give a good goddam about being popular. I don't know why we got the idea that caucuses were undemocratic: if people hate them so much, they should join their state party and get them to change that, but in the middle of election season.

Rules is rules is rules. What is so difficult to comprehend about that? I am not a Hillary fan, especially not after the last few days, but if she wins *fairly,* then it's fair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/06/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 492 fans permalink
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Well said.

And in these cases, the caucuses will be conducted like primaries. People will come and vote, and that's it. It's a very fair solution. The only fair solution.

GET BEHIND THIS IDEA, BARACK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/06/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Amen a hundred times.

This may be the one thing in this primary season that is bias-free. The rules were set before anyone knew enough to establish an advantage, everyone agreed, and things are unfolding exactly as the rules said they should. It's a messy reality, but it's also pretty great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 03/06/2008
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Obama $55 million in Feb. just announced

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 03/06/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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I'm sending him another $100 today. Let's make some history here, folks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 03/06/2008
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I agree! Let's make this the year when corporatism

is actually outspent and out voted by real populism!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/06/2008
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I've given 14 X $25 so far.. and I'm on fixed income, I believe in this grassroots effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/06/2008
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Dean has no stones, he should have laid down the law saying that the deal on day one is the deal now... those states don't count. It's like a parent giving empty discipline, the kids know they can get away with murder and so they do... IMO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 03/06/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 492 fans permalink
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The only ones punished with this "discipline" are the voters, who had nothing to do with the crap that the state parties and the national party pulled. Not appropriate. The people need to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 03/06/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

I don't think you'll see a "do-over". She won the states. That's her position with the SD's. And Barack doesn't want to spend the money and risk losing two more premier contests. It's too risky for him. She has nothing to lose by re-opening the states. After his dismal performance this week, the risk is all his. He's the frontrunner and has everything to lose. If it's another "last stand" for Hillary she will throw the entire world at him, and if she loses he will be too poor and too damaged to win in November. He won't take it if he's smart. If he does take it then he's too foolish to be trusted as President. The people voted and had their say. Howard Dean is grinding whatever axes he feels he needs to. It's his party. It's his watch. Whatever happens is a plus for Hillary.

Don't do it Barack. Take second billing and let's get this overwith before the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 03/06/2008
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IMHO Hillary Clinton has perfectly implemented the Limbaugh plan, to "bloody up" Barack Obama. In doing the bidding of the far right she may succeed in taking Obama down, the problem is, in the process, she will take herself down and mortally wound the democratic party for years to come. IMO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 03/06/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 24 fans permalink
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What are you talking about?

This is a competition, and politics has never been polite.

Grow up.

If your candidate can't take the heart - he better get out of the kitchen - FAST

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 03/06/2008
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okay Karl, have a good afternoon

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/06/2008
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glad you and Limbaugh agree, I'm a Democrat, I see things differently

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 03/06/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

That too! iMho he's a whiner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/06/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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If she has One Ounce of Integrity, she will renounce/reject the FLA/MI delegates.

That, or she will hold the legacy of destroying the Democratic Party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 03/06/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

"IF she has one ounce of integrity".

I was wondering what she'd do. Now I know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 03/06/2008
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If WE as voter have one ounce of integrity WE will insist that ALL voters in every state have a chance to voice THEIR choice. I voted in a primary why cannot MI and FL?

WE need to look at this from the voters point of view not from Hillary's or Obama's. The "chicken little act" is getting old. The world will not come to an end. Howard Dean and the DNC were out of their minds when they said these states would not count. It's a mess, but than I ask what election in the past 12 years was not a mess. This is a DNC issue. Some things - not all - but some things do transcend politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/06/2008
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the writing is on the wall, this comedy of errors as well as the Clinton's blind ambition and Rovian tactics will lead to a divided parry, a deflated electorate and a default win for McPain in November IMO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 03/06/2008
- kappa08 I'm a Fan of kappa08 77 fans permalink
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F*** Florida! Living in Florida I had to stomach the Democrats go Bush 2x's with his brother (our governor) helping fix the election in 2k. I say screw the Florida Democrat. This is your punishment.
One more thing...Ev­erybody needs to move somewhere else. We have become the drain of the country. Pick another warm state to "find a job" or retire and be in our way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 03/06/2008

Clinton's strategy seems to be to grab for every vote, a quality I admire in my candidates. Voter suppression, however is undemocratic, and we, The Democratic party, should not keep the voices of 2 million Florida and Michigan voters from being heard. Here's a proposal, count Florida as it stands, since everyone's name was on the ballot, and even Obama admits he ran ads in that state, against party rules. For Michigan, give Clinton her delegates, give Obama the uncommitted if they want to commit to him, and move on to party unity.

If Howard Dean says the vote I cast in January is not valid, he is wrong, if not legally, then ethically. A do-over is a big waste of money, whoever pays for it. It won't make that much difference in the delegate count, and it won't propel either candidate into the nomination. The party leaders need to get past this, get an agreement out of both candidates, and start targeting John McCain and all the Congressional candidates. There are real problems to be solved, and we need Democrats in office. Don't blow November by dragging this out any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 03/06/2008
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convenient stance for a Clinton supporter. But I'm so magnanimous I'll give you the delegate split as long as the raw vote is not added to the totals because as we all know the massive voter turnout this season is primarily an Obama phenomenon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 03/06/2008

Don't count the raw vote? Why not? Again, it's voter suppression. Not very democratic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/06/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

Well, Dean clearly told Florida voters "YOUR VOTE WON'T COUNT."

What about all the people who, knowing their vote wouldn't count, just didn't vote?

Clinton wants to count Florida (now, she didn't when she was campaigning in the early primary states). But clearly a redo is the fair thing. (Michigan OBVIOUSLY broke the rules, wasn't a real election and needs a redo).

Allows the DNC to keep the party in line (it IS important to have rules followed after all). But doesn't disenfranchise lots of voters.

It's a DEMOCRACY, Hillary. Why is she so afraid of a regularly scheduled election in which EVERYONE can participate and know their votes WILL count?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 03/06/2008
- busybeez I'm a Fan of busybeez 4 fans permalink

Yeah let's see if the state parties can pay for a re-vote, the most they might could pay for is a caucus. They said on MSNBC news last night that the legislatures in Florida will not approve the state paying for another primary, so the Florida governor is just blowing air. I think Dean's announcement was a counter argument to Clinton, to stop her saying she should get to seat the delegates in Florida and Michigan as they are now. Way to go Dean!
Here's a question: if Hillary can't organize to win a state caucus, how could she organize our government, or a national health program?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"They said on MSNBC news last night that the legislatures in Florida will not approve the state paying for another primary, so the Florida governor is just blowing air."


It's not empty air, it's teh start of the drumbeat that will cost teh dems Florida and Michigan in November if not nipped in the bud. All these states will hear is how the dems think millions of Florida and MI voters are separate and less than equal to a few people who partyicipated in an ice cream parlor show of hands in South Carolina. And that will carry throughout swing voters in almost every swing state. Disenfranchising these major states to support irreleavnt staes like Iowa and South Carolina was a dumb move on Dean and Donna Barazaille's part part and when this is over, they needs to be held accountable and run out of the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 03/06/2008

Why do'nt they "split the baby"? Half goes to Sen. Clinton and half goes to Sen. Obama.
ITS NOT THAT HARD!! GEEESH!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 03/06/2008
- srobert I'm a Fan of srobert 6 fans permalink

Ein, we in Nevada don't feel we should be considered irrelevant. But I think the news media should pay for a do-over of the Michigan and Florida primaries. They are the ones who get to turn the democratic process into a circus to sell advertising. CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC, should offer to reimburse these states for the costs of holding the extra primaries. They will sell far more in advertisements to be aired during the reporting on the results of those primaries than the primaries will cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 03/06/2008
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How can "American Idol" have votes TWICE a week with MILLIONS of votes and Florida and Michgan be helpless???? Sad....
The invalid one sided results of Mich and Fla are unfair and cheating, either Support Obama or Draft Gore!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 03/06/2008

You are obviously clueless; go back to watching American Idol...it'­s about as complicated a process as you can grasp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 03/06/2008
- AC500 I'm a Fan of AC500 5 fans permalink

Sounds like people are willing to have and even encourage a cheat for President. She AGREED to the RULES going in. SHE AGREED! The last glass ceiling to be shattered in America isn't that of a female President, it is ..... our common denominator. Some might say we're scrapping the barrel now. So will our rise be increments over the decades or are we willing to rise straight to the top NOW? The fierce, fierce urgency of NOW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 03/06/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"Sounds like people are willing to have and even encourage a cheat for President. "

I agree. No cheats for president. we need to make the guy who broke the rules and ran campaign ads in florida and cheated step side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 03/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Or the lady who put her name on the MI ballot after agreeing not to...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 03/06/2008
- Groobiecat I'm a Fan of Groobiecat 10 fans permalink

"Nonetheless, Fowler said, something has to be done, 'the rules be damned" to seat delegates from states Democrats have to and can win in the general election. 'We're going to forfeit those two big states? What kind of fools would we be.'

Um, yeah. "Rules be damed"? That's convenient. Let's change the rules in the middle of the game. Why? Well, because that would suit his candidate. What a bunch of egregious unabashed nonsense. Fowler? More like "fouler."

Ugh. Would someone *puhleeeeeeeeeeeze* hold the Clinton camp accountable to what was agreed to beforehand. And what kind of "argument is "We're going to forfeit those two big states? What kind of fools would we be" anyway? Why didn't he say this in the first place. It's complete b.s.

Clintonites wanna destroy the party--this is definitely the best way to do that. I won't be voting for her if this happens. As a lifelong Democrat? I just won't vote. Good luck with that.

Now, why doesn't the MSM hold her accountable for wanting to break the rules, hmmm? Whatever. I'm disgusted by this...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/06/2008
- swanky I'm a Fan of swanky 6 fans permalink

BHO campaigned in FL - Hillary didn't; who's REALLY breaking the rules? No question she should get FL. MI you can have. But FL is Hillary's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 03/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Nonsense. Where is the solution in what you propose? None. Just another rambling, angry Hillarite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 03/06/2008
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