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JOAN LOWY | March 6, 2008 11:51 PM EST | AP

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Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean delivers a guest lecture to a class in comparative politics at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., in this May file photo. Dean urged Florida and Michigan party officials to come up with plans to repeat their presidential nominating contests so that their delegates can be counted. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot, FILE)

WASHINGTON — The former head of the Democratic National Committee doubted Thursday whether chairman Howard Dean would be able to get approval for do-over presidential nomination contests in Florida and Michigan.

"It'll be a hellacious battle," said Don Fowler, a former DNC chairman who sits on the party's rule-making committee.

Before the primaries started, "Howard Dean had enough votes to get most everything he wanted. Now that this thing has gone as far as it has and the lines have formed according to candidates, I'm not sure how that vote would shake out now," said Fowler, who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Nonetheless, Fowler said, something has to be done, "the rules be damned," to seat delegates from states Democrats have to and can win in the general election. "We're going to forfeit those two big states? What kind of fools would we be," he said.

Officials in Michigan and Florida have shown renewed interest in holding repeat nominating contests, and Dean has urged party officials in both states to come up with plans for how that can be done so their delegates can be counted at the national convention in late August.

"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated," Dean said Thursday during interviews on network and cable TV news programs.

Dean said the parties will have to pay for new contests.

"We can't afford to do that. That's not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race," he said. The DNC offered to pay for an alternative contest in Florida last summer but was turned down, officials at the party say.

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Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, another of Clinton's supporters, also called for a new Florida primary, but paid for by the national party. Nelson and Dean spoke by telephone Thursday evening and Dean reiterated that the DNC will not pay for a new primary.

Cost may be a barrier. During a meeting Wednesday night among House Democrats from Florida and Michigan, Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida relayed estimates that another primary would cost the state between $22 million and $24 million, a vote-by-mail contest would cost at least $8 million and the bill for a caucus would be about $4 million, said Hastings spokesman David Goldenberg.

In Michigan, the cost could be as high as $10 million, depending on the type of contest, according to Democratic officials. Liz Boyd, a spokeswoman for Democratic Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, said Thursday evening that nothing had been ruled out but it was beginning to appear as if the cost and logistics may be insurmountable.

Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said Thursday he would sign a bill for a new Democratic primary _ legislative approval is required _ but only if it was a last resort and only if the national party pays for it. But that seems unlikely, given Dean's insistence that he won't pay.

Top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and Florida's state party chair all now say they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. Officials in both states previously had insisted that the primaries held in January should determine how their delegates are allocated.

Clinton said she'd wait to see what proposals are put forward.

She won both contests, but no delegates. The results were meaningless since the elections violated national party rules. The DNC stripped both states of their delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates _ including Clinton and rival Barack Obama _ agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

"I think it would be a grave disservice to the voters of Florida and Michigan to adopt any process that would disenfranchise anyone," Clinton said at a news conference Thursday. "Therefore I am still committed to seating their delegations, and I know they are working with the Democratic Party to determine how best to proceed."

She said it would be especially unfair to punish the 1.7 million Floridians who voted in the Democratic primary since the Republican-controlled Legislature and the state's Republican governor changed the date.

"They clearly believed that their votes would count, and I think that there has to be a way to make them count," Clinton said.

Obama said Thursday that the DNC should decide how to settle the dispute.

"I think it's important to make sure that people of Michigan and Florida feel as if they're part of this process and that they're heard. And we've just decided that we're going to play by whatever the rules the DNC has set forth," he told ABC News. "That's what we've done from the start.

"And I'll leave it up to the Democratic National Committee to make a decision about how to resolve it. But I certainly want to make sure that we've got Michigan and Florida delegates at the convention in some fashion," Obama said.

He said the DNC also should decide how to pay for any new contest.

Florida and Michigan moved up their contests to protest the party's decision to allow Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, followed by South Carolina and Nevada.

"The rules were set a year and a half ago," Dean said. "Florida and Michigan voted for them, then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. Well, when you are in a contest you do need to abide by the rules. Everybody has to play by the rules out of respect for both campaigns and the other 48 states."

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Associated Press writers Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., Tim Martin in Lansing, Mich., and Brendan Farrington in Tallahassee, Fla., contributed to this report.

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How about a 50/50 split for Michigan since Obama was not on the ballot and a proportion split for Florida where he was on the ballot. Then we can use the money saved for some "swift boat" action against the Republicans. Just a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 03/06/2008
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The super delegates need to bring this to a close & I mean the whole thing!

Clinton should stay in the Senate and try to serve New Yorkers, not Big Biz! !

Obama/Richardson or better yet, Gore/Obama!!! The DLC is too neocon-lite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 03/06/2008

The irony of this saga is that if the Clinton campaign gets their wish, Michigan may be the nail that slams the coffin door shut on her presidential bid. There'll be no retreat from a loss in Michigan that they have touted as a victory for so long. Governor Grandholm better be careful with her paid endorsement. It will cost her dearly in political capitol. 238,168 uncommitted votes to HRC's 328,309 votes about her popularity in the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/06/2008

sorry should read "238,168 uncommitted votes to HRC's 328,309 votes speaks clearly about her popularity in the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 03/06/2008
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Exactly. Obama will easily carry MI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 03/06/2008
- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 39 fans permalink

Not to mention that write-in votes for Obama were discarded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 03/06/2008
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Democrats who are demanding either no do-over or a party caucus to decide things in Michigan and Florida ought to consider what they thought about SCOTUS blocking a Florida re-vote in 2000, or whether they would have been satisfied back then with a caucus-like re-vote instead of a full all day vote. For maximum fairness to all Democrats trying to pick a nominee, there should be a complete primary re-vote in both states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 03/06/2008
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I've raised this as an issue in other forums already and I'll repeat it here. Now that the Republican presidential nominee has been decided there will be great temptation for party switching to impact the results of "Mulligan" primaries in MI and FL. The only way this can possibly be prevented is to have a closed primary where only Dems who have been registered for an acceptable period of time (six months?) can participate. Otherwise, there will be shenanigans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/06/2008
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Excellent point. In NY Dems have a closed primary, so only Dems get to chose their own candidate. This should be standard procedure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 03/06/2008
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You don't seem to undersatnd the difference between primary election and general election. For example, ever heard of super-delegates in general election? See what I mean?

That said, I favor a re-do, as long as the states pay for it. They messed up, they pay for it if they want their delegates counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/06/2008
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The point of my post is that only a full and fair primary re-vote will fair to all Democrats, not just to one side or the other. Your point about super-delegates escapes me, although I have heard of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 03/06/2008
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Michigan and Florida caused this problem and now both want to be invited to the party without

having held a fair election since many didn't vote AND the ballot was not inclusive in Michigan.

If they want to send delegates, they should not heavily favor Hillary who intended to cheat here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 03/06/2008

hillary know will Win in FL OR MI ,screw the role as long back to WH who care....screw u obama ,she is divided NOT united I vote for Gop like or not

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 03/06/2008
- Kyuzo I'm a Fan of Kyuzo 39 fans permalink

I'll vote for whichever candidate promises to teach you how to read and write.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 03/06/2008

This is ridiculous. Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan. This was not a requirement of the candidates agreement not to campaign in Michigan and Florida. Voters in Michigan who wanted to vote for Obama were instructed to vote "uncommitted". Seat the Michigan delegates accordingly. Give Obama all the "uncommitted" (more than he deserves) delegates and seat the delegates accordingly. As far as Florida is concerned, Obama broke the rules by running television ads in the state. Only after Obama's violation of the agreement did Hillary attended two private fund raisers - permitted under the agreement. Both candidates were on the ballot and the delegates should be seated accordingly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 03/06/2008
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This is a logical conclusion but the situation is far to partisan to permit logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 03/06/2008
- Seafarer61 I'm a Fan of Seafarer61 9 fans permalink

Factually accurate in all details but Obamanation doesn't want to hear it. I saw Obama ads running each night down here prior to the elections but didn't notice one Hillary ad and she still kicked his ass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 03/06/2008
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Just because you voted "uncommitted" does not mean you intended to vote for Obama. The results of unsanctioned elections in MI and FL are invalid and cannot count for anything whatsoever. Play within the rules or else you're not a player.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 03/06/2008
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"Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan."

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It was agreed on by all Dem candidates. Only Hillary went back on the agreement. And you're lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 03/06/2008
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Her supporters HAVE to lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 03/06/2008
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All candidates originally were on the Michigan ballot. Obama, Biden, and Edwards had their names removed as a deliberate pander to voters in Iowa. Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel, and Clinton left their names on the ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/06/2008
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Let's hope this re-vote goes forward. If Dean supports and the governors both support, that's a good sign. We don't need to be quibbling about delegates from FL and MI. Let's vote and count and seat the delegates legally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 03/06/2008
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Hey. If any Obama fans are against new primaries in FL and MI- they are hypocrites. It wasn't too long ago that all I read on HuffPost and its forums was how the Super Delegates should not determine the winner. Well, as it stands right now- that is who will determine the winner because neither B.O. or H.R.C can get the necessary numbers for nomination. So, here is your chance for Obama to put away Clinton and not have to worry about any super delegates! You are all saying that if Obama was to campaign in FL and MI, that he would have won. So what is the big deal? Let's do it! Let's not allow the Super Delegates to pick the nominee! This is what Obama supporters have wanted the whole time- unless they have suddenly changed their minds.....Hmmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 03/06/2008
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 34 fans permalink

Yeah, but lets waste YOUR dimes on a REDO, we want our dimes to go elsewhere for legitimate use !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/06/2008
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I agree. States should pay for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 03/06/2008
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This has NOTHING to do with being pro-Obama or anti-Clinton.

This has to do with the leadership in FL and MI doing the wrong thing and NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT THEY AGREED TO FOLLOW.

I strongly oppose any "do-over" for the obvious reason: had FL and MI done the right thing and not moved up the date of their primaries, there wouldn't be a problem.

Democratic voters in FL and MI will have a chance to cast a ballot for the nominee in November. But to kowtow to them now after the rules were broken just because they don't like the punishment is stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 03/06/2008

As an Obama supporter I agree with a do-over in Florida and Michigan. Hillary is for it because she's got nothing to lose. Keep in mind that what she originally wanted was to have the delegates seated as they are now tallied, without Obama having campaigned in either state. Although I've always favored Obama, I was originally sympathetic to Hillary, but it's now plain to see that she feels entitles to the nomination and will do anything, including race-baiting, Muslim baiting and fear mongering to get it. Look for her to really twist the arms of the super delegates if that doesn't work and to file a lawsuit if the super delegates don't go her way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/06/2008
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You left out baby-killing and tripping blind people. Is it possible to look at this re-vote business rationally without all the insults?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 03/06/2008
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I'm an Obama supporter, and I support it too - as long as they follow the rules, which they agreed to, and every other state has complied with. Every obama supporter I've talked to feels the same way.

(I happen to think Hillary doesn't really want re-votes, she'd prefer the scandal, so she can claim uncounted victories. That's why she's been pushing to get the delegates seated according to the invalid votes that already happened.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 03/06/2008
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"This is what Obama supporters have wanted the whole time- unless they have suddenly changed their minds.....Hmmmm."

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ALL of the Democratic Party candidates agreed NOT to run in MI and FL. Only Hillary went back on it in MI. That is a FACT. You cannot make up facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 03/06/2008
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I'm fine with giving those states a do-over. It beats the alternative of the DNC sanctifying an illegitimate vote. We'll see how Hillary does a second go-round when she's not the only name on the MI ballot.

But, either way, this is going to come down to the superdelegates no matter what is done in FL or MI. I think Obama will hold his lead, but he won't have enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination. The only question will be, will Hillary be able to cut enough back room deals to steal the nomination?

I hope not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 03/06/2008
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Way to cave, Howie. Did Hilary get to you? Or Bill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 03/06/2008
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ should answer your question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 03/06/2008
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Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) warned the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Thursday that it is facing the “biggest train wreck you’ve ever seen” if a standoff is not resolved over his state’s pledged delegates to the party’s presidential nominating convention.



Nelson sent a letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean Thursday asking the committee to either accept the Jan. 29 results of the primary election or pay for a redo of the elections, which could cost in the range of $20 million. He sent the letter after Dean did not return his telephone call Wednesday.

“If they go to the Democratic Convention and stiff-arm the Florida delegations, how in the world do you think Floridians are going to support the Democratic nominee on Nov. 4?” Nelson told reporters Thursday. “It’s in everybody’s interest to find a solution to this problem.”

However, earlier in the day, Dean said the party would not pay for any do-over.


“If they are not going to accept Florida’s election, then we can do a redo, full-blown election again, but someone is going to have to pay for it other than the taxpayers of Florida,” Nelson said.

Nelson said not resolving the impasse would disenfranchise 1.75 million Florida Democrats who voted in the Jan. 29 primaries, as well as independents.

The Hill, today.

Dems, you've got to love 'em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 03/06/2008
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And that's news to you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/06/2008
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Thought it interesting that Dean did not return Nelson's phone call.

And, as usual, Dems don't want to pay for their own scam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 03/06/2008
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Dean should tell Nelson to cough up the money for a redo from his state party's coffers. The FL state party committee got themselves into that mess. Let them pay to fix it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 03/06/2008
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Nelson is a Hillary Clinton super delegate who does not count as it stands. As a Florida voter I say follow the rules. No do over. If states decide to move their dates in the future this will set a precedent and the DNC will have nothing but chaos again. Hillary Clinton and her DNC cronies had the opportunity last year to protest but they did not. Where was the outrage?

Why is the Republican governor so involved when he is the one who signed the bill to change the date. He did not think about disenfranchising Florida voters then. Panderer...

Also, a Florida Statute requires all candidates paticipating in the presidential race be on the primary ballot otherwise their name cannot be on the presidential ballot.

The Florida primary was driven by a property tax amendment that affected many of the property owners in Florida contrary to what the MSM and Charlie Crist would have you believe. Of course they do not report this because then it would take away the premise that the primary was the driving force and weakens their argument.

This is a travesty. The DNC did not have to go postal and strip all of the delegates. At least the RNC took 50% now the pandering Charlie Crist wants 100% of the delegates. Why didn't he speak out about it when it happened? Well now that he is calling for 100% of the DNC delegates to be instated, he can hardly let 50% of the Republicans go now can he?

Too bad the rules RULE...

I do not know how Charlie Crist got a high approval rating because I know a lot of people who do not care for him--me being one.

FOLLOW THE RULES.

From a Florida voter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 03/06/2008
- Ginzaman I'm a Fan of Ginzaman 12 fans permalink

Better yet, let's redo all the debates that Kucinich and Gravel were censured from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/06/2008

First Electoral Vote (poll) Up From Survey USA... Dem's win but the maps look totally different

Its relevant to this discusion as to MI and FL importance

270 to win presidency
Obama- 280 McCain- 258
Clinton- 276 McCain- 262

Key points:

OH- both clinton and obama win by 10% margins

Clinton fans will like these 2

PA- Clinton wins by 1%, Obama loses by 7%
FL- Clinton wins, Obama loses
AR- Duh a Clinton win
NJ- Clinton wins, Obama loses

Obama fans will like these:
TX- Clnton loses by 7% Obama only loses by 1%
The West: Obama wins WA, OR, NV and CO... Clinton loses all 4
VA: Obama wins
NH- Obama wins, Clinton Loses
Midwest Area:- IA and MI Obama wins, Clinton Loses
HERE IS SHOCK- Nebarask is in play for Obama... a loss for Clinton

Clinton's big state argument: holds some water when looking at PA and NJ, PA is always close, NJ has recenlty been thought to come in play for the Rep's... Fl is interesting, but Kerry was polled to win here as well, intead it was much reder for Bush the 2nd time around... NY and CA are easy wins for both Obama and Clinton, TX has a shot for Obama though so does the big state argument hold up???

When I look at clinton's map yes I see win but I see map like in 2000 and 2004, with a heavy reliance on FL to deliver, especially with the losses in the Midwest.

http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/mccain-clinton-final.png

Obama's 50 state strategy looks to hold water: Dean has said as others that the key to the future of the DNC is west and Obama delivers Clinton does not... He brings in states that aren't normally in play and mages to win a few unexpecteds.... If he pulls TX its a blowout vs. McCain and overall there isn't heavy reliance on one state to deliver

http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/mccain-obama-final.png

ADVATAGE: OBAMA... this should be his case to the superdelegates, to combat HIllary's big state theory...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/06/2008

Forgot to mention the Obama win in North Dakota

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/06/2008
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I sincerely doubt any Democrat will lose NJ or PA. These are some of the most anti-war states in the country and the economy will be a major issue. McCrazy has not been exposed yet on his economic policies or lack there of. Unfortunately the Democratic nominee may not have time to make those arguments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/06/2008

PA is always very close and as a resident here there is a "I don't know" attitude about Obama, maybe that will change as we get to know him over the next several weeks... The Rep strategy is to steal NJ from us... I know that much is true, they get closer every election too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 03/06/2008

The maps show Ohio voting Democratic.

Obviously the people who provided this sunny assessment have forgotten Diebold!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 03/06/2008
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According to this link NJ is tied and Obama is only down by 5 in PA. Remember Kerry was supposed to lose NJ and won it comfortable. NJ has a high number of left leaning Independents that Obama will get easily. PA was also supposed to go to Bush but Gore and Kerry one it easier than expected. The real story is that Obama is close or winning in so many more states than Hillary. With Webb on the ticket VA would be in the bag for sure. We have seen enough of the NE Democrats losing past elections because they only focus on the big states.

I also noticed that in NJ, FL and PA the undecideds are all 15% or much higher so Obama could still have a great chance to win those states.

Also Hillary's Ohio narrative goes to shit because both of them should win there in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 03/06/2008
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That map is false in several regarss. No way is Obama taking New mexico now that McCain is the nominee. Maybe against a north eastern repub, but not against the Az McCain. No way is Obama taking Michigan after doing so much to ensure their votes don't count. And to be honest, I doubt Obamam can take Colorado against McCain either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/06/2008

NM is always a state that leans Deomcrat, I don't see what John McCain has to do in AZ has to do with NM... by that logic MO should go Clinton cause AR would... Or IN cause Obama is from IL... As for CO this is what Dean and the DNC wants why do you think the convention is in denver this year ??? why do you think we went after CO a lil bit in 04' ?? they found its competitive... and as for MI... the whole Midwest has been trending Republican over the past several elections... Obama never said he didn't want the votes in MI to count, as I understand he suports a revote or something within the rules, I'm sure he doesn't want 0% of the delegates there... BUt anyway MI is alot like WI and WI overwhelmingly want him... Don't cry and start saying stuff with no basis just cause you can see Obama is the better canidate and he is... Its the Electoral CVollege that decides and I'm sure the Super's will look at all of this when its decision time, Clinton isn't the smartest choice its the sam old failed strategy from 00 and 04... Its not all about OH, PA, and FL anymore the DNC has said this much... and Obama has represented the 50 state strategy thats why he's winning Cause HIllary's goes after the big states... thats how the Repub keep beating us... with lots of small states.... time to fight fire with fire... And Clinton and her team are from the old school and old school stratgeies haven't worked for the past 2 elections my friend

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 03/06/2008
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Move all the states primaries to the third weekend in April right after taxes are due.

Let people vote from noon to six, on Fri., Sat. and Sun. One vote per adult citizen.

Let the MSM announce as the polls close with daily results! Let's make it exciting!

Move the general to the first weekend of November with printed receipts for both.



National popular vote decides everything w/ no elitist college or court interference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 03/06/2008
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I Love this Idea! It's fast and fair and wouldn't cost hundreds of millions of dollars! Who needs two year campaigns? I have better things to do with my time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 03/06/2008
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Howard Dean was interviewed on NPR's All Things Considered last night, it's interesting and worth a listen:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87928836

I am an Obama supporter who is all for do-overs in Michigan and Florida, as long as they follow party rules - not because those rules are perfect, but because all the other states followed them, and allowing two to break them would be flat out cheating. (As would seating delegates according to the votes that already happened, which Dean says is extremely unlikely - and the only reason he didn't take it off the table completely is that the decision has to be made by an appointed committee that's not convened until July. It's all in the interview.)

The important thing to realize is that these states are not being punished. They chose to break rules they'd previously agreed to, they knew what the consequences would be, and there are TWO ways for them to come back into compliance with therules all the other states followed and get their voters' voices heard... They just refuse - even after being contacted by the DNC in an effort to resolve the situation.

Personally, I think Hillary doesn't really want new races, I think she'd prefer the scandal over not getting the delegates seated, because that way she can claim wins in those states, whereas if they hold new primaries, she may not do as well. And I think Christ (if not Granholm) are more interested in making noise about injustice than actually solving the problem, because it would mean admitting that they did something wrong. Which they did, like it or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 03/06/2008

BILLARY KNOW WILL BE IN 2 STATES ,THEY ALL SET UP when sign it, just like bush sing in the law and not obey

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/06/2008
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In English, please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 03/06/2008
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