Clinton Surrogate Hints That Primary Battle Will Go To Convention

In a Friday conference largely focused on calls for Sen. Barack Obama to fire his aide, Samantha Power, for a personal attack she levied at Sen. Hillary Clinton, a Clinton surrogate made a bit of news of her own.

Congresswoman Nita Lowey, speaking at the onset of a phone briefing with reporters, hinted that the primary fight between Obama and Clinton would be going all the way to the Democratic Convention in August.

"We have a long way to go in this campaign," said the New York Democrat. "In fact, it is likely to go to Denver [the site of the convention]."

In the past, Clinton aides and surrogates had argued that the battle for the Democratic nomination would be resolved before the primary concluded. A brokered convention, Democratic officials worry, could create irreparable rifts within the party and leave the resulting nominee at a serious disadvantage in a general election.

Lowey's remarks were meant to be a warning against the increased personalization of the primary. With seven weeks remaining until the Pennsylvania primary (only one week less then the time that has elapsed since the Iowa caucus), tempers between the two campaigns have the potential to flare out of control.

According to Clinton's aides -- pointing to Power's referring to Clinton as a "monster" focused on political opportunism -- they have already.

In addition to Lowey's statement, other snippets of campaign news were made during Friday's conference call. For instance, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz proclaimed that she would not be in favor of re-holding Florida's primary election - a position her Democratic Florida colleague, Sen. Bill Nelson, advocated on Thursday.

"I have tremendous respect for my colleague from Florida," she said. "But for a variety of reasons a new primary is unworkable. First of all it is too expensive... I'm not aware that the national party or the state party have the funds to do a do-over. There are no do-overs in politics. You don't re-run an election over and over until you get the results you want."

Earlier in the day, Wasserman Schultz made similar remarks on the Bill Press Show, saying there was "no way" a re-vote will happen in the state of Florida.

"I'm not sure which Democrats the national press is talking to who are confirming a do-over, because there's just no way that it's going to happen," she said. "Howard Dean doesn't have a vote. He's the [DNC] Chairman and he's speaking out [in suggested a re-vote]... I think he's being totally counterproductive to the eventual goal of electing a Democratic President."

Comments

[mjc]

I agree with silpat; this is an historic race. Americans will have the opportunity for the first time of electing a woman as president. Women got the vote in this country 50 years!!!! after the first black man got the right to vote. And Hillary Clinton is infinitely better qualified for the job than Barack Obama.
Yes, the Florida primary should be counted. It wasn't campaigned for but all the candidates were on the ballot and over a million Floridians voted in that primary. Michigan.., well if Obama doesn't want to be included in the "uncommited" slot, then do it over, possibly with the vote-in ballot. But Hillary Clinton won the original one, won it against a sort of "anyone other than Clinton candidate", and will win it again, no matter what. Next time the DNC will have to be more careful in its designation of what is a primary and what dates are open; maybe a lottery? My suggestion also is that there NOT be caucuses, period. The are not democratic and if they are open then they really don't take the pulse of DEMOCRATS and become some very mini-election. Likewise, primaries should not be open. No reason for that designation either.

[Silpat]

To all of you delusional Hillary supporters, there is no way that the Democratic Party will allow itself to go down in history as the political Party that prevented the first African-American from having the opportunity of becoming President, by "giving away" the nomination.

If in the end, Obama wins the most states, votes, and ELECTED delegates he will become the Party's nominee. In all honesty, it would be the same if the situation was reversed in Hillary's favor. This is a unique and historical election; therefore the Party powerbrokers will treat this situation with the respect and sensitivity in which it requires.

[Zeusthunderbolt]

Has it ever occured to you the big wigs support him not because he is black but because he is a descent human being. I am so sick of everyone implying that Senator obama is where he is because of his race and not because he represents a one in a life time opportunity for this party and country to move away from the power of personnel destruction and back to descency in politics and government.

[Didi47]

Silpat:

I agree. So Florida delegates will be seated as they have every right to be.... and the public will NOT ALLOW ANYONE to STEAL their votes AGAIN. And the race is on!!!

Since Michigan did not have all the candidates on the ballot like Florida did... they should have a redo.

[foreffectivegovernment]

I am one of the few that wants the race to go all of the way to the Democratic National Convention.

Unlike the Obama supporters who are afraid to let this race play out, I want the super-delegates to decide who is an empty suit and who is not. The voters are obviously enthralled by a rock star who can make pretty speeches and automatically has the Black vote sewed up along with the teeny-boppers who are voting for the first time.

I suggest the Country change the voting age back to twenty one years old so adults are not subject to being ruled by Elvis, the Beatles, Ice-T, Mr T, or some other teen idol. One new Democratic Legislator admitted she was told by her 18 year old daughter, "I will never speak to you again if you don't support Obama. she didn't mention that she got $10,000.00 for her campaign from the Obama supporters.

Which is worse, selling out for money or selling out because you want your daughters love.

Those super-delegates who have been strong-armed by cultists into supporting Senator Obama will be free to vote for the good of the Democratic Party and will be able to exercise their responsibility to do what is best for the Democratic Party.

[MrDeadeye2U]

Please read this, its classic.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/8/03755/44140/948/471959


and see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ6PYcKseM&feature=related

[foreffectivegovernment]

So what is classic about Republicans Bashing Hillary Clinton?

http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/358

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110702828.html

http://www.againsthillary.com/

Stop Her Now is a political action committee organized by Republican political operative Arthur J. Finkelstein with the stated goal of stopping Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions by defeating her in the 2006 New York State Senate race. Their main tool is their web page.

However, the web site garnered little money.[1] Senator Clinton's campaign crushed Jeanine Pirro in the opinion polls leading up to the 2006 senatorial race, by margins of more than 2:1, and the State Republican Party abandoned its attempt to unseat her. Hillary Clinton eventually achieved her Senate re-election by a 36 percentage point margin.

After the 2006 election, it was rumored the PAC would change tactics in order to focus on Clinton's presidential ambitions instead, and it was relaunched in November of the same year.

The major donors (62%) to this PAC are energy trader T. Boone Pickens, who funded the Swift Boat campaign in 2004 against John Kerry as well as the Progress for America Voter Fund PAC and the Straight Talk America PAC, with homebuilder Bob Perry, investor Harold Clark Simmons, and Richard Collins, a Dallas County, Texas newspaper publisher; totaling over $10 million.

Since 1978, Pickens has funneled over $5.5 Million into various PACs.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Her_Now

The sad part is, the Obamabots are now doing what the Republican have been doing for years with no succeess. I hope you Democrats realize that you have been swiftboated again before it's too late.

[Zeusthunderbolt]

Hillary lovers and Democratic voters (even if Hillary wins I will vote for her crowd), you are all republicans in a democratic outfit. I will vote for a republican as long as he opposes Roe vs Wade. I will vote for a republican as long as he is strong on defense. I will vote for a republican as long as he goes to church every day. Go vote for Hillary Clinton, maybe for the fact that she is a woman and we finally need a woman in charge. Don’t you ever criticize McCain for any personnel failing (like the DNC intends to do by reminding people that he surrounds himself with lobbyists). Don’t you ever stand up and criticize Right wing talk radio for being sleaze balls and their followers for giving them a break. Don’t you ever stand up and criticize George bush for putting personnel loyalty over competence to choose his cabinet. Don’t you ever stand up and criticize Dick Chaney for taking care of his Halliburton buddies. And you sleaze ball, ignorant, decadent, feminist, Carl Rove loving, kitchen Sink politics loving scum of the earth, Don’t you ever stand up and criticize me for calling you names that cannot be printed because I am for Roe vs Wade.
How dare you criticize us Obama followers, for we are politicians ( I bet you did not know our dirty little secret ), and that gives us the right to sit here and call you and anybody we want names, go and look for any sleaze and even non dirt we can find on you Hillary lovers, publish it, throw it around, show the world your dirty little secrets, and if we cannot find anything on you, then lie, make it up, put you in the gutter, treat you like an Abu- grab prisoner, stripping you naked, and humiliating you with nothing but lies. You better then stand up and vote for us when we run for office because we support Roe vs wade. And by the way for those of you who refuse to do so, and our lies against you fail to work, we will go find some dirt on your friends, and try to smear you for being their friends, and if along the way any decent human being crosses our way to the white house, we reserve the right to mercilessly use race, gender, smear, lies, fear, intimidation, personnel destruction, name calling and whatever it takes to get to the white house. Do you support us now for we have proven that we are fighters, able to be morally at the same level as the Abu-grab prison camp intelligence gatherers?
If we can be all that we can be, as listed above, and we call ourselves Democrats, we want your vote Hillary lovers, for that proves that we can beat the republicans at their game, able to fight for you ( and who cares even if we are lying to you, for it is your fault that you fail to understand and are stupid, that our first call of duty will be to take care of our sponsors, and settle some scores ) and don’t you believe for a second that we will continue to be what we had to be to get to the white house. As long as our solutions for the people are implemented without questions, and our worthy and well deserved leadership is accepted graciously, the side of us that you all saw on the way to the white house will disappear. We will even forgive you, the Hillary lovers, if you show up when obama finally sits on the throne and offer heartfelt apologies, and confess to your sins, and kiss his hand while on your knees.

Long Live Obama----------- all you can be. Vote for a true and worthy leader. He is ready for the presidency, representing a democratic, republican hating nation and lead the planet in a new direction. Ready on day one to offer solutions, and answer the call at 3 am. (Do you not think the enemy follows our politics; they will know what we are capable of when it comes to destroying anyone in our way. Do you think they will mess with us? )

[Zeusthunderbolt]

how we are blinded by our ideology and fail to see the truth and the obvious. It was only in the last week before the Second supertuesday that i was able to see what this movie describes and the republicans have been telling us for years. I can now totally understand why republicans have behaved the way they have. They were watching the master and learning. She is not behaving like Rove, it was Rove who has been her student. Better late then never. If i had been told that Ann coulter can tell the truth, I would have laughed just 2 weeks ago. And just 2 weeks ago i would have told you to go to some other site for your postings. Thankyou for you excellent links.

[Zeusthunderbolt]

For the hillary lovers with blinders on, watch the 2/9 movie. Do you see how she is destroying Senator Obama systemetically. Keep licking their feet, never get out of line, or if you have a descent past and history, you can say it Bye-Bye.

[Zeusthunderbolt]

Mr.Billy Dale, I am so sorry for what you and your family had t go thru under this vicious presidential candidate, HRC. And if you ask yourself why will the whole democratic leadership sit quietly while the Clinton's destroy everyone in their path to power, they are either slaves to their ideological agenda, or are cowards, but more then any other scenerio I think they are scared of their reputation, fearful of becoming the victim of politics of personnel destruction.

[Zeusthunderbolt]

Young people are the future of this country and so is their parents’ love for them. By the time people are wise and grownups, they have agendas. They have transformed into robots, thoughtless followers of propaganda. They have forgotten all about doing their homework to find out the truth. They are manipulated by the politicians with ease,using their fears and insecurities to blind them with their lies and get into power.
The daughter you talk about is to be admired, for she is willing to stand up for the one in a lifetime chance this country has to move away from the deplorable politics invented by Richard Nixon, perfected by the Clintons and practiced with impunity by the republicans. Shame on you, for calling us cultists. We read, do our research and strive for a better future. People like you are nothing but parrots who mindlessly repeat talking points fed to you by the Hillary campaign: experience, ready, cultist, electable. You follow her at what cost to your principles? Hate the republicans for being bigots and vengeful and cheer Hillary while she lies, her campaign announces to throw the chicken sink at Obama and then you watch them with joy as they destroy a decent man. Where are your principles, when you see your support a candidate made from the same mold as Rush Limbaugh.
Shame on you. Ready to break all principles, win at any cost ( and I know what you are thinking now. How dare I speak up, a cultish, mindless follower of a black man who is in the way of the first woman to be president, no matter how vicious and low life she happens to be. How about electing Ann Coulter as president, if she promises to change clothes and look like little red democratic angel instead of a wolf. ).
Shame on you. Ready to send 18 year olds to die in wars, watch them get maimed but question their integrity when they have an opinion different from yours.
Shame on you for doubting the judgment of youth, professionals, college educated democrats, women making more than 50000 dollars a year, middle America, southern America, up to 50 year old America,
Shame on you for calling Kennedy family stupid and cultish.
Who are you to come down at an 18 year old wise teenage girl who can see the good in a person regardless of his sex, color and age.
Shame on you for supporting HRC, an embodiment of all that is evil and wrong with politics these days.
Shame on you for supporting a candidate who will use the FBI, IRS, lies, and the power of the federal government to come down on the innocent women who are prayed upon by her husband.
Shame on you for questioning the integrity of Democratic party leaders by trying to deny them their right to stand up againt a bully.
Shame on you for failing to see a mom's love for her daughter which made her see the truth, and questioning it as a character flaw while you purposely misrepresent it as strong armed tactics.
Shame on you for supporting HRC out of some perceived personnel benefit you are going to derive from her presidency and denouncing people who support their candidate out of their love of this country, and with a hope to bring this country together ( I know what you are planning, you sleaze ball Hillary supporter, that just bringing to your attention the truth about a teenager, her moms love and integrity, the selfless passion of Senator Obama’s followers, their complete ignorance of sex and race in their support of their candidate, their repulsion at republican like behavior and their disgust at the politics of lies and personnel destruction. Pointing all this out makes you somehow feel that the Obama supporters are practicing divisive politics and just talking about togetherness ), to make this world a better place for humanity under a new leadership based on dialogue and humility.
Shame on you for being old and set in your ways.
Shame on you for failing to open your eyes, and see the truth. Blinded by empty slogans of EXPERIENCE, CULT, READY.
Shame on you, for being not 18. I suggest the county take away your right to vote whatever age you are, for you are a fool and have no regrets about continuing the journey in the same direction as the current administration, under the same kind of politics simply because your candidate calls herself a democrat and not a republican. Shame on you for showing the same autocratic, dictatorial tendencies and name calling as your candidate and his campaign practices. But then how could we expect any thing different from the conservative followers of Senator Clinton. As they say, brought up in a household with a strong dictatorial, father and the kids grow up to be conservative followers of leaders with dictatorial tendencies.
Shame on you for calling yourself a democrat. You belong to the republican party, go back home.

[Didi47]

To Zuesthunderbolt:

SHAME ON YOU for trying to BULLY people into voting for your precious Obama.

America is still a free country, though it looks like it's a carbon copy of what it once was with all ethics and honor missing in this election.

How dare you insult and threaten and vilify voters who differ from your choice. Go home, grow up and learn how to be a gentleman. And while you're at it wash your mouth out with soap. The cult is the one you belong to. Maybe you should sit down and really do your homework and you'll discover you are defaming an honorable person who has worked for 35 years to insure you could grow up in a safe and free country where freedom of speech is still your birthright, you ungrateful spoiled little brat! Shame on you!

[peascott]

Obama is an empty suit?

What is Hillary Clinton's foreign policy and Natl Security experience?
Did Hillary during her 8 years at the White House have Natl. Sec, clearence?
Did Hillary during her 8 years at the White House set in on Natl. Sec. meeting?
Did Hillary read copies of the Predidential Daily Briefing?
How many times when "the phone: rang did Bill discuss it's contents with Hillary?

Hillary has NO Natl Sec. experience, she did not have security clearence, she could not be in the room when discussions of Nat. Sec. were taking place, she NEVER read PDB's becuase she DID NOT have security clearence. One has to hope that Bill was lying next to her when the phone did ring and I've never heard of experience coming from a one sided conversation not do I think if it was a Natl Sec. issue Bill stayed in the room with Hillary. Oh and flying to Bosnia on a plane with Sheryl Crow and Sidbad DO NOT quality as foreign policy.

Who is actually the empty suit or should I say empty pantsuit?

[Didi47]

Peascott:

Here's one testament for you on what she did in Bosnia: If you don't know what Kosovo is, go do some homework... you silly goose. More Obama lies being touted. Does this guy have no shame?

Statement of Richard Holbrooke, architect of the Dayton Accords, and former permanent representative to the United Nations.

“It was dire in May 1999 when Hillary Clinton arrived in Macedonia. The government of Macedonia had slowed the flow of refugees from Kosovo to a trickle. After visiting refugees and gaining a first-hand assessment of the situation, the First Lady had intense talks with President Gligorov and Prime Minister Georgievski. In these talks, one in the Presidential Palace, another in the residence of the American Ambassador, Christopher Hill, Mrs. Clinton pressed the Macedonian government to fully open the border so that Kosovar Albanian refugees could flee the war zone to safety. She also committed herself to work with the government and people of Macedonia who also faced an emergency because of the threat to their own safety and stability. Hillary Clinton promised to take action to help the Macedonian economy. Returning to Washington, she pressed hard in the administration for action to support the Macedonians. She even contacted American business executives to ensure that American textile contracts in Macedonia were not canceled. There is no doubt in my mind, nor in the minds of those people I worked with in the Balkans at the time – that her intense efforts resulted in easing a crisis of significant dimensions and contributed to saving many lives.”

[mrJJ]

Actually the "cultists" as you call them have 2 other choices AFTER the superdelegates make their all wise decision known after the convention.

1 Vote in the General for all their individual states Dem Senate and Congressional seats & leave the Presidential preference choice BLANK

2 Bolt and don't show up in the Nov General.

On to the convention I say.,, I am not a card carrying ...follow my party right or wrong voter. I guess we will see how many newbies and indies feel the same way at the General in November...

It will be interesting... Don't you think?

[Didi47]

Will someone please explain to me why the votes from Florida can't be honored. After all, it was the Republicans who changed the date, mandating that the vote be held on that day. The democrats had no choice because the Repulican legislature enacted it into law. Therefore they had to obey the law.

So why is Howard Dean punishing the people of Florida? This sounds very creepy and scary to me. Over 3 million Floridians voted and all the candidates names were on the ticket.... so what is the bloody problem? Are they trying to FIX another American election here? And if so why isn't Howard Dean removed from his position? This is an outrage and why are Americans allowing this to be done to them?

I thought the US was a democracy?

I can understand Michigan having a revote. But even there you have one guy say no way and the country complies even though it's obvious you're all being scammed again?

These idiots should be forced to resign because they're clearly demonstrating they do NOT have the best interest of American at heart... and they are deliberately CHEATING the public of the right to vote for the candidate of their choice! What the hell is this lunacy about?

The rest of the world is appalled at this FARCE of and ELECTION in what used to be the greatest democracy in the world!

[BardEric]

DidI, let me get a jump on all the Obama supporters who are going to give you some version of "because it is the RULES'..Florida should be seated, all the delegates were on the ballot, and FL had a RECORD turnout despite having been told their votes wouldn't count..They sent a loud and clear message to the DNC that Howard Dean was too (Fill in adjective here) to notice.No matter who the Dem nominee is, he/she will not be a valid candidate unless MI and FL are seated at the convention. Otherwise, the winner of the nom will always have the dark cloud of uncertainty over the validity of their position, and the party will face mass defection,myself included.

[avicenna]

Alright... for the sake of the recession, the war, the Democratic Party, for the unemployed, for the destitute, and the sick - what's her price? She is right-wing enough to have a price - so how much for her to drop this cancerous campaign and let the best leader move this country into recovery phase?

[Silpat]

Hillary will not be the Democratic nominee because she will not have the lead in "elected delegates". There is no way that the Party powerbrokers will "give" Hillary the nomination over Obama because they know this would lead to chaos, litigation...

Hillary can win PA..., but in the end if she don't have the most delegates, states, and votes it just won't matter.

[foreffectivegovernment]

If they still taught history in the schools, you would know that this is not the first time this has happened and it is not a bad thing. Do some research on the Internet before you profess to be an expert on anything.

[Silpat]

No it's not the first time, but this is a unique and historical situation. Also, I stand by what I previously stated, "Without winning the most states, votes, and ELECTED delegates, Hillary will not be the nominee".

[leftcoastsportsbabe]

I am beginning to see a pattern. The Clinton camp has decided what will amount to a fair primary - one in which she wins. Whats next, deciding the super delegates should vote the "will" of super sized states? (ie California, Texas and New York.)

Anyone else reminded of John Belushi in Animal House? "Its not over until we say it's over."

[MrCoffeeCup]

Just a quick question concerning the 'Speed at which Hillary and here Hit Teams" demanding a blood sacrifice for an verbal boo-boo! How fast was the retribution?

A blunder and there's blood in the water! Hillary's sharks strike immediately! Hmmmmm????

I wonder what she's gonna do to all of those SUPPOSEDLY LOYALISTS that deserted her during the Brarak Barrage! Now's there's a little blood spilled and wham a KNOCK-OUT PUNCH!!! Barrak is knocked down! Only for the three count but still he got knocked pretty hard! Now he's on the defense!!
Can he play ROPE-A-DOPE Like Cassius Clay aka Muslim convert! Let's see if he can sucker punch her back into the defense!!

Obama supporters, and Americans, Watch out how quickly the Klintons are on retribution!! Same old character assassinations, same besmirching the names and character, and yes she is da 'MONSTA" IF YOU PISS HER AND BILL OFF!!

Did you really notice how fast she controlled BARRAK'S CAMPAGIN????? Did ja?

Yogi Berra says "It aint over till it's over!!" Great man that Yogi Berra...

[browndog2]

Hiilary banking on MI and FL boosting her delegate count is like banking on W to bring down gas prices.Michigan is ticked Hill kept her name on the ballot,then acts like she won. both states will be a wash,and the DNC knows it.

[Silpat]

Re-votes in FL & MI will only help Obama in the end. Let's say he wins Michigan and she wins Florida, this "more than likely" scenario will only put him just that much closer to securing the nomination.

To sum it up, "Hillary's chances are screwed either way you look at it".

[Tellmethetruth]

If you have a Democratic race in which 2 major states (Florida and Michigan) with 360 delegates are not being counted as "punishment" for living in states in which Republican controlled elected officials moved their primaries up a couple of weeks, then yes, it is is built into the system that in a close race, the Presidential nominee will be decided by someone other than voters.

It takes 50% of the delegates to win the election. But only 80% of the delegates were allocated to primary elections or caucuses which relied upon the common voter to chose. The other 20% of the delegates are non-primary chosen delegates composed of party officials. So it is built into the system, that in a two person race which is close, one person possibly getting 51% of the 80% of primary elections determined delegates and the other person getting 49% of 80% of the primary elections determined delegates that no person will have the 50% of the 100% total delegates going into the convention. This allows the party "bosses" to pick the Democratic nominee, not the voters.

With 20% of the delegates going to "super delegates" then for any candidate to have "clinched" the nomination going to the convention because they got 50% of the delegates, they would have to have won all of the primaries by 61% of the vote. Neither Obama or Clinton have that much of a winning margin, and leaving out Florida and Michigan, would mean that one of them would have won all the primaries with over 66% of the vote to have avoided a brokered convention. THIS ELECTION WAS DESIGNED TO BE A BROKERED CONVENTION!!! Blame Howard Dean!

It is the way the Democratic "bosses" such has Howard Dean determined to pick a Democratic nominee before November of 2007. It was never designed that in a close two person race in which neither candidate concedes that the voters would decide who is the nominee.

If there is anger by the voters to be had over this, it needs to be vented to the party "bosses" who refused to allow the voters to decide.

[browndog2]

OK. hears the truth Gov. Granholm and Mrs. Dingell spearheaded the move in Michigan to move it's primary.Rejected by the Secretary Of State,upheld in Superior court,Upheld by Appeals Court, Granholm herself filed to the Supreme court and won,thus overturning ALL lower Court rulings and allowing Michigan to ignore DNC guidlines and move up it's primary date, as Iowa and New Hampshire waited so they could set their primary date. DEMOCRATS not republicans as in Florida.

[jadez]

you miss the point.
this is only an issue now because the clintons never believed they would find themselves losing to Obama.

your conclusion is wrong.

tell us how the party "bosses' are preventing the people from decideing when even if fl and Michigan are included neither candidate has enough delegates.

this is just another example of the clintons searching for any advantage they can get even if it is out of bounds.

[AnninCA]

I don't think they anticipated in advance a close race.

But when it's this close, you're correct. The system IS designed that candidates who don't reach the threshhold must then get Super Delegates.

Super Delegates are independent and make their decision based on a variety of factors.

If he's extremely far ahead, then he'll make that argument. If they are very close, that argument holds less sway. If she has won all the large and major Dem. states, she'll make that argument. If he wins Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Indiana, he has a good argument that he can pull big states, too.

It's still too soon to call it.

[jstock]

The goal posts will not be moved any more. She's had her chance. If Obama has even one more pledged delegate when the primaries have finally ended, he should win the gold. Every other metric is subjective and political, in the worst sense of the word.

[beachykeen02]

Hillary DOES NOT WANT another primary or caucus in Florida. She and Uncle Charlie already rigged the first one, and they want those "invalid" results to count. They made sure that plenty of non-home owners didn't vote. They don't want a REAL vote here, just like they didn't want it in 2000. Do NOT count our votes unless we re-do it. It wasn't an accurate assessment of Florida.

[mrJJ]

looks like her surrogate has offered to cough up 1/2 of the money for a primary redo of at least 1 state...

[kimbari]

Even with FL and MI, Hilly doesn't have enough delegates to win. She's going to destroy the party.

She really IS a monster.

[rwferr]

Uhh Obama doesn't have the votes to win either.

[BardEric]

Nice try, but they wont hear you...

[BigBen]

All these years of working for the Democratic Party going out on a limb for universal health care,working for the people of New York and she was a Monster all that time and we never knew it. What skill she has to conceal her monsterhood, what an ability to fool all the people all the time.Even Susan McDougal never pulled her cover. Why I bet even Satan is jealous.

[jadez]

just you never knew it.
everyone who KNOWS her KNEW it.
try reading a few books .
you are proof that her base are the least educated people in America.

[EspritDeVoltaire]

After reading hundreds of posts here, I believe that there are several people who do not understand what is happening in this election. Plato laid out the game plan, 2400 years ago, in his book, The Republic. It hasn't changed since in any era or any form of government.

Please forgive my paraphrase of Socrates' speech here, the principle remains the same. "The person who WANTS to be the leader THE MOST, is the LEAST QUALIFIED as a candidate for GOOD LEADERSHIP. The reason is that person places their OWN agenda and lust for power before the good of the people and the nation."

You NEVER know the true agenda until they take office, but you can bet the farm on this: PLATO KNEW THE SCORE ON THE QUALITIES FOR GOOD LEADERSHIP. That's why he's mandatory reading for any first year Political Science student. If you have the time, read The Republic; I recommend the Alan Bloom translation.

[rwferr]

So in other words Obama is the least qualified then is what you are saying.

[batgirl71]

Uh, read much rwferr? Did you have problems passing the comprehension tests in school? I'll spell it out for you. Hillary wants to be president (leader) so bad that she is willing to tear the Democratic Party apart. Because of this singular ambition/obsession for power, she is the least qualified to be a good leader. Does that help?

Putting Hillary First / Hillary 2008

[juevosrancheros]

EDV,
A philosophical reference here in the posts? I love it! Though you might include Socrates' addendum that the reluctant ruler only rules because s/he cannot tolerate being governed by a lesser person. After 8 years of Bush/Cheney, most of us should then feel ready, whether we want to or not, to take the helm of the ship!

[BabeeBK]

Hillary is deadset on ruining the DNP for her own personal interests. She is going to ruin her husband's legacy (what's left of it that he hasn't already ruined himself). I wish she'd just drop out of the race and spare the American people her sick and twisted and horrible political antics. She's just a bad person. I'm so sick and tired of her...

[efranklin]

Folks can only tolerate the Clintons' scorched earth tactics so long. It is shameful that the media is working hand-in-hand to draw this thing out to the convention, when there is no mathematical way for Hillary to turn this contest around. For the media, it's about ad revenue; for Hillary, it's about lessening Obama's chances enough for her to run against McCain in 2012. Simply ridiculous.

[mrJJ]

Well no one has hit the magic number yet. Therefore the convention it will and MUST be. No reason for either candidate to call it quits till then. If Sen Obama looses at the convention I would look unfavorably towards him if even contemplates accepting a vice vice presidential spot on the ticket beneath Hillary and Bill Clinton.

[rwferr]

There is no way for Obama to reach 2025 either. Quit with the delegate count smokescreen you aren't convincing anybody. Do you understand how the nominating process even works? I don't think most people on here do.

[AnninCA]

I don't think half of the Dems in office do, either. *haha At least not based on some of their idiotic statements.

[Bobleblah1]

ANINCA

Get off the drugs
Obama is ahead by over 100 delegates, if anyone needs to be asking for a VP spot, its Hillary
Your perception of reality will change after Obama wins Mississippi.

[rwferr]

For the last time the delegate count no longer matters nor does Mississippi. Neither candidate is going to get 2025 so its a tie. It will go to the convention and the superdelegates will decide. Being ahead by 100 votes is meaningless unless he can get to 2025 which he cannot. I doubt he will get the VP slot either.

[rwferr]

Yes thats right a convincing win in Mississippi is gonna turn it around for him...not.

[AnninCA]

I think she would offer it. I think he'll turn her down.