Clinton's Experience On World Stage: "Scant Evidence"

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First Posted: 03- 7-08 10:46 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record:

Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited "standing up" to the Chinese government on women's rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.

Earlier in the campaign, she and her husband claimed that she had advocated on behalf of a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda to stop the genocide there.

But her involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process was primarily to encourage activism among women's groups there, a contribution that the lead U.S. negotiator described as "helpful" but that an Irish historian who has written extensively about the conflict dismissed as "ancillary" to the peace process.

The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders. And her mission to Bosnia was a one-day visit in which she was accompanied by performers Sheryl Crow and Sinbad, as well as her daughter, Chelsea, according to the commanding general who hosted her.

Whatever her private conversations with the president may have been, key foreign policy officials say that a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda was never considered in the Clinton administration's policy deliberations. Despite lengthy memoirs by both Clintons and former Secretary of State and UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright, any advice she gave on Rwanda had not been mentioned until her presidential campaign.

CNN, meanwhile, examined her statements case-by-case:

Northern Ireland

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," Clinton said on CNN's American Morning on Wednesday. Video Watch more of Clinton's comments on the race »

A Washington Post blogger accused Clinton in January of exaggerating her involvement in Northern Ireland.

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But former Democratic Senate majority leader George Mitchell, who was a U.S. special envoy to Northern Ireland, told CNN that while Clinton was not directly involved in negotiations, she did play a helpful role in bringing in women's groups that made a difference.

Mitchell is a Democratic superdelegate and has not publicly endorsed Clinton or Obama.

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, was also involved in the process. He recalls one late-night meeting with former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Clinton and Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams.

"There was a discussion of how the IRA would decommission its weapons. And I know that Sen. Clinton was part of that meeting," King said.

Kosovo

"I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," she said on CNN's American Morning.

In May of 1999, she was in Macedonia visiting refugee camps near the Kosovo border and meeting with Macedonia's president and prime minister.

Sources with knowledge of her visit say she discussed the refugees' plight with those leaders. It's not clear how much she helped since CNN reported at the time that Macedonia reopened its border to Kosovar refugees before Clinton's visit.

China

"I've been standing up against, you know, the Chinese government over women's rights and standing up for human rights in many different places," she said on CNN's American Morning.

During a 1995 visit to Beijing, at a time when her husband's administration was trying to press China on human rights, Sen. Clinton made a speech condemning abuses.
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"No one should be forced to remain silent for fear of religious or political persecution, arrest, abuse or torture," she said.

But a former National Security Council official in the Clinton administration says Clinton didn't attend NSC meetings. So while her experience is extensive, she rarely carried an official portfolio.

With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record: Pressed in a CNN intervi...
With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record: Pressed in a CNN intervi...
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- Groobiecat I'm a Fan of Groobiecat 10 fans permalink

WTF? Earlier in the campaign, she and Bill said that she "advocated for a military intervention in Rwanda"? Um, that's odd, because, here's the thing about that: As president, Clinton could have actually *intervened* in Rwanda. See, because, apparently, the POTUS has the authority to make foreign policy! Go figure. But what's ironic is that it's a matter of public record that he *regrets* the fact that he did nothing about Rwanda. But here's the irony part:

Hillary's point is that she has all this foreign policy experience because she was *there* right? At Bill's side the whole way? So, Hillary sat by while 1,000,000 Rwandans died. Now that's what I call experience. But the 1,000,000 number is familiar for Hillary. She voted for the 2002 Iraq war authorization bill without ever having read the NIE, and guess what? * 1,000,0000 * people have died as a result. Now that's what I call accountability.

I see a pattern here, do you? Hillary has limited foreign policy experience--but no one talks about the experience that she has, wherein LOTS of people died.

As for the 3:00 a.m. calls? My guess is that she'll take the call--unless the crisis is happening in Iraq or in Africa. Otherwise? Hillary apparently has no problem letting the answering machine pick up...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 03/07/2008
- ddlrid I'm a Fan of ddlrid 5 fans permalink

excellent post! hillary's vast 'experience' has led to an awful lot of folks getting shafted, at best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 03/08/2008

Her claims to Expereince may come back to bite her in the ass in more ways than one. she could be admitting to Knowledge of classified information she did not have clearence for- Could look bad for Bill. Breech of NationalSecurity? And they thought Bill was spillin' for Monica.
WE don't need her to remind US what Exactly she has Done TO US. She's not been in the Senate that long.
Also Love her kiss up to Mac- trying for his VP- a Corp'ists Dream Ticket, The "icing on the cake'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 03/07/2008

Good point with only one slight problem...As the President, President Clinton would have the authority to disclose classified information to anyone he chose. He simply has to say that he determined Senator Clinton could be cleared for whatever level of classification the information had and she is automatically granted that clearance (paperwork notwithstanding).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 03/07/2008

Problem with this is that it's public knowledge that she never had security clearance, ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 03/07/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 14 fans permalink

I would like to see a reference for what you state - according to my research, this is not true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 03/07/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 03/07/2008
- cittykat2 I'm a Fan of cittykat2 2 fans permalink

If Hillary Clinton has such leadership qualities, why didn't she get health care passed when she was first lady. Didn't our President, her spouse, give her the authority to head up committees and approach both houses? What happen? She failed, she failed and was despised by all. For one she didn't open up her meetings, they were behind closed doors and who was she meeting with? Now she is claiming that she is going for universal health care. She should call it mandatory health care and you will be penalize under her plan if you do not take it. So now the American people who really needs it, cannot afford it and will be penalized because they can't afford to get it.
Obama's plan will bring down the cost, so all can afford it, therefore no penalties. Hillary has a lot of explaining to do and I hope we all continue to pressure her to do it before the PA primary. WE WANT ANSWERS, Senator Clinton, not just words!!! Where is your solution?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 03/07/2008
- cybersense I'm a Fan of cybersense 8 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton as "First Lady" did extremely well in fighting for civil rights and democracy with foreign countries. If people did their actual homework, beyond the HeadLines, the would be able to see this.
But, as suppose because she was only a "First Lady", that the amount of work this "First Lady" took on and accomplished is diminished? Maybe some think so, but there are many who would not say that.
read here: http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/clinton/essays/firstlady

Now, as Senator, I suppose you would dimish the fact that she has traveled to Iraq three times to actually involve herself to really be able to view what is going on, nothing too. Eh, where is your heads?

This is not all the involvement she has done, but I am sure you would find ways to deminish anything of reasonable effort on her part as being......not so much.

So, now that you know just a bit of the actual experience of Hillary has, perhaps you can prove to me that in comparison to Obama, even this "bit" of experience is so much more then Obama?

(rolling eyes)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 03/07/2008
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Traveling to places an having tea with people is not tantamount to actually doing some good. Hillary sure is a magician at the spin factor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 03/07/2008
- Fernando I'm a Fan of Fernando 29 fans permalink
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No, but being a policy wonk, someone involved in her husband's campaign and presidency, six years of experience in congress and having one of the most brilliant political minds at arms length sure do help.

The only difference between the right wing nuts in the 1990s and Obamabots now is that in the '90s, the right-wing said Hillary WAS the president. Obamabots now say she has NO experience to claim. Everything else, all the ad hominen attacks and the insane hatred of anything "Clinton" is the same between these two groups of lunatics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 03/07/2008
- Bacowall I'm a Fan of Bacowall 3 fans permalink

I am just absolutely flabbergasted by all this, because I realize that becoming adept at Foreign Affairs is taking a few trips to London, Punjab, India, Kosovo,etc. and wow, I am ready to sit on any Committe with credentials as an expert.
What so bad about that? It makes us all qualified, experienced and ready to do the job on day one-- as President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 03/07/2008
- Groobiecat I'm a Fan of Groobiecat 10 fans permalink

"Now, as Senator, I suppose you would dimish the fact that she has traveled to Iraq three times to actually involve herself to really be able to view what is going on, nothing too. Eh, where is your heads?"

Well, personally, my heads is at the record. Because, see, she wouldn't actually *need* to go to Iraq if she hadn't voted for the 2002 authorization for the Iraq war. As for comparison, didn't the Rwandan genocide happen when she was there, right next to Bill, the whole time. She must have been outraged, I'm sure. But see, the thing is, *WE DID NOTHING TO STOP THE RWANDAN GENOCIDE.*. So, if she's counting all that foreign policy experience while she was first lady, I think it's fair to count the good with the bad. Right....or not so much?

So, regarding her vote to authorize the war in Iraq, did you want to count that too, as foreign policy wisdom (including not reading the NIE), or.....not so much?

Roll your eyes all you want. Her judgment thus far sucks--from Rwanda, to Iraq, to her current campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 03/07/2008
- gouge I'm a Fan of gouge 9 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton -the junior senator from NY inflates her very thin resume' -I like the trip to Bosnia with Sheryl Crow and Sinbad -which she lists as one of three -equally insignificant examples,of her 'career' as a diplomat.....just like all of those years of fighting for the underdog when she was a corporate attorney at Wal Mart.

What she is good at and has tons of experience -as shown by her 'threshhold of the presidency" denigrations of Obama -her racist campaign strategies/ her spreading of disinformation and her willingness to stoop to any low no matter how slimey, to say anything to get her sorry self elected, is at being basically a scumbag. She gets the nomination -I will vote for McCain -as will almost every democrat I personally know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 03/07/2008

The point is none of it adds up to 35 years of steady experience at anything productive. Please give us a little more substance please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 03/08/2008
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

What?!!! K O ripped Clinton? Oh, that's right, he does that twice a day everyday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 03/07/2008

This is laughable. The "world stage" is right, a fictional play in which she has a bit part, is the truth. She has done nothing but sleep in the same room with the guy who answered the red phone. She is trying to wrap herself in her husband, yet she has duct taped his mouth shut. When all that is left of the Democratic party is a tattered shambles beneath her high heels, she can throw back that crownless head and let out that witchy cackle of hers. Maybe John McCain will even throw down a few vodka shots with her when he celebrates his victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/07/2008
- globality I'm a Fan of globality 20 fans permalink

DO you honestly think she can win a "National Defense" campaign against McCain

1) She can not argue against him on the war because they both backed it. If anything Mc Cain has the stronger point to make because he was right (as fas as the press is concerned) about the surge, The only difference between Mc Cain and Hillary is that he was right on the surge and that she insulted general Petraeus. The comments about having to suspend belief in reality was a huge mistake that GOP will easily capitalize on

2) When it comes to national defense the Clinton administration was probably one of the weakest we ever had. They gutted the military budget to the point where we could not even lauch a mission against somalia. The dragging of our troops in the streets of Mogadishu happened on the clinton watch

3) They gutted our inteligence capabilities allowing Osama Bin Laden to get stronger and attck the world trade center.

4) They have been bought and paid for by the saudis for the Clinton Library donations and thereore can not do what is best for our country

5) When you think about the Clinton's main accomplishment when it comes to the Military it was the "DONT ASK DONT TELL" policy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 03/07/2008
- Fernando I'm a Fan of Fernando 29 fans permalink
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This is where I draw the line. Your right-wing talking points are all wrong.
A)McCain continues to support the war while Hillary doesn't. I respect Obama for opposing the war but he was not in congress to vote for it or against it. In spite of this opposition, he has voted continuously to fund the war. You can say the same about Clinton, but you can't have it both ways.

B) When it comes to national Defense the Clinton years were a BLESSING TO THE MILITARY. Every single brigade was combat ready. The army had been streamlined to a more efficient and leaner force. The Predator and all other nifty spy planes flying missions and saving lives were commissioned and built during the Clinton administration. That lean and mean force which destroyed the Taliban in a few weeks in 2001 was recruited, trained and equipped during the Clinton administration. I served then and I know what I am talking about.

C) The biggest lie by the right wing was that Clinton was responsible for 9-11. That is a bunch of baloney the right wing concocted to shake responsibility from president numbnuts and his cadre of clowns. Clinton was advised on Bin Laden weekly. Bush did not received one single CIA briefing on Bin Laden until 9-11. 9-11, like the Katrina disaster happened because there was a monkey sleeping at the wheel.

D) Mogadishu was an operation to stop a genocide, just like Kosovo was. Many men, of a higher caliber than you and me gave their lives during those months. Those who claim Clinton did nothing to stop genocide in the 1990s should think about that. He didn't do enough, but a lot was done.

Those who hated the right wing nuts during the 1990s have gone 180 degrees on them, now they are the exact same Clinton-hating, irrational tweets the right wing lunatics are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 03/07/2008

First of all, Bill Clinton is NOT running for president; Hillary is! I know it gets confusing sometimes, and it's easy to conflate the two, but his presidency and the nineties are behind us. And let's not forget Rwanda, where he did NOTHING to stop the genocide!! This is not about the troops who have shown courage in every war they have been sent to fight, but if it's about the people who have sent them into war, such as the war in Iraq, then we must be mindful of those who cast their votes to send them there. Personally, I do not hate either Bill or Hillary Clinton and I agree that the nineties were great years, relatively speaking; but I don't want to see either of them back in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 03/07/2008

thank you fernando, an intelligent post in a wilderness of hatemongers. Ilooked all day here to find one..blog on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/07/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 283 fans permalink
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Check your facts on military readiness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 03/08/2008

It's as simple as this: Hillary is running as the Ghost of Bill Clinton, save for Bill hasn't died. And any loyalty to her is out of loyalty to Bill--no matter if it's generals, superdelegates, or Governors. It's the Old Clinton Network.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 03/07/2008
- roncraw I'm a Fan of roncraw 8 fans permalink

If you want to watch a real newsman go to CNN W. Blitzer. If he has a Obama supporter on one night he tells you tomarrow there will be a Clinton supporter. Name the last Keith show where a Hillary supporter was on.Keith's biased clouds he mind. When you are as biased as he you are not reporting sic facts but opinions. Thruout this whole primary season BNlitzer has not once showed biase to one or the other. You want Keiths reporting watch Lou Dobbs or Bill o'rielly all three are"fair and balance'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 03/07/2008

You think as well as you spell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 03/07/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 283 fans permalink
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see kids, drugs are bad for you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 03/08/2008
- 754 I'm a Fan of 754 2 fans permalink

W. Blitzer a real newsman? Uh, no. I remember when he was sent off whimpering by Dick Cheney when Wolf asked him a question about his pregnant lesbian daughter who also happened to be one of his political consultants. It was one ot the most pathetic displays of bootlicking journalism that I've ever seen. Gutless and sniveling.

As far as "real newsmen" go, Christanne Amanpour is the truth, I wish she was on more.

Olbermann is news AND commentary. He covers news and comments on it. He has never advertised his show as anything other than news and commentary. If you believe in supporting and defending the constitution then his slant and commentary are correct. If you believe in supporting and defending corruption and incompetence then you'll have to turn to the Fox propaganda channel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 03/09/2008

Who said that Hillary was powerful... She is not even Leader Material.... When has she ever stepped out on her own to make made a difficult decision… (And chosen to stay with her adulteress husband Bill Clinton, doesn’t count) The answer is never…Hillary is a follower…..She has never been a leader and never will be…..

What has Hillary ever lead the fight on? The answer once again is nothing

Her record is comprised of own fantasy of how she wishes was….

And I agree with Samantha Power, Hillary Clinton is a MONSTER and will stoop to any level to win...Even if it means destroying the Democratic Party by endorsing John McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 03/07/2008
- shano I'm a Fan of shano 2 fans permalink

Well said, justwait and see. Hillary is a follower who tests which way the wind is blowing before making a move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 03/07/2008

The right wing and the left wing nuts have one classic thing in common: HYPOCRISY!!! Both sides used to shout and scream and jump up and down that she was so powerful in the Bill Clinton White House that she had marginalized even Gore as VP!

Now? See? She does not have experience!!! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 03/07/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

So you know the same people who in the 90s said she had too much power now are saying she didn't have a role in her husband's administration. Oh, yeah, its that group "they"..."they" are at the heart of everything, aren't "they"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 03/08/2008

I want every detail of her experience answering the "red phone". I also want her tax returns made public, and I want her to detail her involvement with Vince Foster's death, and her sneak dealings with Whitewater, and her corporate lobbyist ties to Walmart, etc. etc. etc.

I want every bit of dirt dug up on her, and held up in front of news cameras. I despise this woman.

Having said all that, if she manages to steal the nomination, I'll still vote for her, rather than vote in another Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 03/07/2008

All the complains about superdelegates subverting the will of the people is too little to late.
Where was the outrage when Clinton won the popular vote in Nevada but Obama got more delegates?
Where is the outrage when Clinton won the popular vote in Texas but Obama gets more delegates?
What happened to the will of the people in Florida and Michigan?

Superdelegates are representatives of the Democratic Party. For those thinking they will give Obama an advantage by asking superdelegates to vote the ‘will of the people’, remember this — If all superdelegates vote according to how the registered democrats in their states voted, Clinton will win the nomination for the following reasons:

1 - Blue states have more elected democratic officials and thus more superdelegates
2 - Clinton has won more blue states than Obama
3 - Hillary has won more raw votes from Democrats than Obama, who relies on republicans and independents for most of his victories.

So if those throwing around fake outrage about superdelegates want to open that can of worms, be my guest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/07/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

Saying that Hillary Clinton has foreign policy experience is like saying I have had sex with 40,000 women. It ain't true despite my lack of wish fulfillment with even 400 women. I am trying though times are tough. Of course, Hillary does have a certain kind of "foreign policy" experience. What is it?

Hmmm... let us think. Oh, yes. Bill is best buddies with Bush the First. What happens there? Well, America is sold to the highest bidder. And Hillary helps with the auctioning. There is her foreign policy experience. While she talks the talk, she does not walk the walk. Freakin' cliches! That is it. Auctioning America! Okay, selling out America. Senator does carry certain influence in money, power, and ability to (influence) corrupt America's regulatory systems in pursuit of selling America. Gee, I wonder what President Hillary would do? I don't have to. Continue to auction America. Obama?

Obama is difficult to read. However, who are his backers? Who does he listen to? Where does his money come from? Follow the money, my fellow voters. Follow the money. And if there is anyone in his campaign staff who have been around D.C. in the last thirty years... well. That is exactly how much "change" you are going to get. Pennies on the dollar. But you are used to that. Making yourselves poorer by auctioning yourself of for whispers of better times.

Now goose step on over to the breadlines, Citizen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/07/2008

I read George J. Mitchell's book "Making Peace: Behind the scenes story of the negotiations that culminated in the signing of the Northern Ireland Peace Accord".

He NEVER mentioned Hillary Clinton's name once the entire book and it covered in great detail everything that occured in the peace negotiatings (mentioning Bill Clinton's role, etc..)

I'm sure Bill has called George J. Mitchell who was appointed as the Indpendent Chairman of the talks by Bill Clinton to try and pressure him to give Hillary some kind of credit.

This couple are lying scoundrels involved in historic revisionism, etc.. They will say or do anything to win this election. They have no honor or dignity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 03/07/2008

Grasping on straws, the Obama campaign?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 03/07/2008
- rubicon101 I'm a Fan of rubicon101 7 fans permalink

Maybe Hillary 's resume on experience is thin but Barack Obama's record is even thinner..
Of course some Obama nutjob will try to disprove that and end up saying "DO YOUR RESEARCH"..
Barack Obama is the 'new crack' for young people.
Barack Obama smoke cigarettes and takes a crap like everyone else, don't try to make him into anything more than that ~ a politician trying to get you vote.
Plus his judgement in his younger days wasn't that stellar..snort a little cocaine...and what other 'bad' decisions has he made?? What else don't we know about Barack and his views?
America is starting to catch -on a little, once we start to look at Senator Obama like Senator has been examined , the picture will become a little clearer.
Hillary Clinton by far a better choice to be the leader of this great nation!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/07/2008

Ha. Pot calling kettle black, considering that Hillary is married to Mr. "I Didn't Inhale".

Tell me, what major piece of legislation did Hillary author (not co-sponsor...one she actually wrote, and got a Republican co-sponsor) that turned into Federal law?

I'm guessing, ZERO.

Your thoughts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/07/2008

Do you want another Bush????????????????????????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/07/2008
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Wow, Obama did coke. At least the has the balls he made a mistake. It's not like he voted to give Dumbya authorization to invade a country that posed no threat to America. Or Iran.

You know, maybe its a good thing that Hillary breaks up the Democratic Party. This may be the push need to a legit 3rd Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 03/07/2008

I agree, 3rd party: HOLLOWEEN PARTY, hey, you're president

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/07/2008
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