Clinton's Experience On World Stage: "Scant Evidence"

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First Posted: 03- 7-08 10:46 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record:

Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited "standing up" to the Chinese government on women's rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.

Earlier in the campaign, she and her husband claimed that she had advocated on behalf of a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda to stop the genocide there.

But her involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process was primarily to encourage activism among women's groups there, a contribution that the lead U.S. negotiator described as "helpful" but that an Irish historian who has written extensively about the conflict dismissed as "ancillary" to the peace process.

The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders. And her mission to Bosnia was a one-day visit in which she was accompanied by performers Sheryl Crow and Sinbad, as well as her daughter, Chelsea, according to the commanding general who hosted her.

Whatever her private conversations with the president may have been, key foreign policy officials say that a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda was never considered in the Clinton administration's policy deliberations. Despite lengthy memoirs by both Clintons and former Secretary of State and UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright, any advice she gave on Rwanda had not been mentioned until her presidential campaign.

CNN, meanwhile, examined her statements case-by-case:

Northern Ireland

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," Clinton said on CNN's American Morning on Wednesday. Video Watch more of Clinton's comments on the race »

A Washington Post blogger accused Clinton in January of exaggerating her involvement in Northern Ireland.

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But former Democratic Senate majority leader George Mitchell, who was a U.S. special envoy to Northern Ireland, told CNN that while Clinton was not directly involved in negotiations, she did play a helpful role in bringing in women's groups that made a difference.

Mitchell is a Democratic superdelegate and has not publicly endorsed Clinton or Obama.

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, was also involved in the process. He recalls one late-night meeting with former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Clinton and Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams.

"There was a discussion of how the IRA would decommission its weapons. And I know that Sen. Clinton was part of that meeting," King said.

Kosovo

"I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," she said on CNN's American Morning.

In May of 1999, she was in Macedonia visiting refugee camps near the Kosovo border and meeting with Macedonia's president and prime minister.

Sources with knowledge of her visit say she discussed the refugees' plight with those leaders. It's not clear how much she helped since CNN reported at the time that Macedonia reopened its border to Kosovar refugees before Clinton's visit.

China

"I've been standing up against, you know, the Chinese government over women's rights and standing up for human rights in many different places," she said on CNN's American Morning.

During a 1995 visit to Beijing, at a time when her husband's administration was trying to press China on human rights, Sen. Clinton made a speech condemning abuses.
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"No one should be forced to remain silent for fear of religious or political persecution, arrest, abuse or torture," she said.

But a former National Security Council official in the Clinton administration says Clinton didn't attend NSC meetings. So while her experience is extensive, she rarely carried an official portfolio.

With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record: Pressed in a CNN intervi...
With a debate raging over which presidential candidate has the most experience and best judgment on world affairs, the Chicago Tribune examines Sen. Hillary Clinton's record: Pressed in a CNN intervi...
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- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

Now white house papers if she continues on this experience trip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 03/07/2008
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Hillary where are your tax reports? What about Bill's pardon papers? Where are your "first lady papers" Here is a good joke:

Q. "What does Hillary and a trans atlantic Flight Attendant have in common? A. They are both foreign policy experts" VOTE OBAMA the CHANGE we need is from dirty mean spirited negative politics. signed Tom from delegate rich Montana

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/07/2008
- apduncan1 I'm a Fan of apduncan1 42 fans permalink
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Monica Lewinski had the same experiences Hillary did... she worked in the WH, had a mentorship on handling, shall we say, Presidential affairs in more ways than one, had a rough interrogation by the FBI, was betrayed by her man and she is a woman. She ought to run for President too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 03/07/2008
- joselopez I'm a Fan of joselopez 10 fans permalink
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html#moreraces

According to Realclearpolitics, Obama has 1575 to Clintons 1464 Delegates

There are 611 pledged delegates to be given out (not including FL and MI)

There are 345 SuperDelegates still unpledged.

Clinton basically needs to win remaining contests 60 to 40 in order to take the lead.

Obama is favored in Wyoming, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota.

He will hold his own in PA, so I do not see how she could win this thing.

She can claim she won big States, but the Super Delegates know that no matter who the Dem nominee is they will win California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts.

Can't stop a movement Hillary!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 03/07/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

Superdelegates, baby! Superdelegates! Rich superdelegates count for more than poor, ordinary, non-rich delegates. And voters? Well, hmmmm..... 2000 sounded the death-knell for the importance of voters in elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 03/07/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Not even Al Capone or God Father Corleone could find a perfect criminal fora wife. Somehow Bill and Hill found each other and oh boy, what a freakshow they have been. Why is the DNC not stopping the sleazeballs from this gutter politics?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 03/07/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

Maybe the DNC are aleazeballs too, you tell me....from an independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 03/07/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

Freakshows are fun. Unless you are the freak. Look in the mirror voters! You keep electing the same rich garbage who let their fellow garbage into the bank vault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 03/07/2008
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 25 fans permalink

It is tragic that this Nation is going further and further down that "Cesspool of Warmongering. We have the likes of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and the soft voice of Barak Obama. These are the priceless wonders that the Media fell so in love with.
The United States of America has brought forth this lot of losers. We have had eight years of vile stench locked up in the White House and this is the best this Nation can do.
Our Politicians are throwing are nation into a sad state of affairs, Billions of Billions of Taxpayer dollars being wasted on a Phony War, divised by a couple of sick degenerates in the White House, Republicans so dishonest and corrupt not to say the least of some Democrats as well.
Misleading and Lying to the American Public, it is very ironic to see members of Congress have stooped to such a new low in corruption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/07/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

I love this post. And not for the usual reasons. Okay, maybe a little. Come on! Eight years of this vile stench? Okay, Bush is a vile, worthless, piece of garbage with an IQ of 84. Only eigth years, however of vile stench?

Where do I begin? Nixon. There is a good start for the cesspool that gives off a vile stench. Called American political opportunists. Nixon took office in 1969. After that, Ford (nothing overtly bad here). Carter (for being weak, though he did begin the process of collapsing The Soviet Union), Reagan (another real winner). Bush I (thanks voters). Clinton (playboy President is a plus, but lacks true depth). Gore? Scratch that, there were only nine voters in that election. You know, The Supreme Court. And finally, Bush II (wannabe dictator and puppet).

So, hmmm... subtract 1969 from 2008 and you have? Thirty-seven years of vile stench. Let us not forget the fools in Congress. How long have some of those self-serving idiots been in charge of Congress? Too long. That is how long.

Of course, we must blame ourselves. Every few years you listen to the same tired lies of four years ago. And then you vote. And then you moan about how nothing really has changed. And you notice your quality of life becomes worse. Rinse and repeat four years later. All the Demo-Republican Party has to do is whisper sweet nothings in your ear. The same tired sweet nothings the whispered last election cycle. This is called bullsh*t.

Heckuva Job voter Brownies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/07/2008

oh for gods sakes...sh­e served the equivalent of a mentorship in executive action as a governor's wife for 8 years and then a mentorship in foreign and internal affairs through 8 years as a president's wife. It's not like she's Laura Bush, with a get-a-husband degree, no job experience worth mentioning and no ambition. if you don't think any intelligent person wouldn't have learned considerable valuable information and skills throughout those particular years no less. well, you obviously don't want to hear the truth. don't vote for her, whatever..­.but no need to make stuff up while pretending to be oh so above-it-all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/07/2008

The only thing that can prove that it was a "mentorship" is the releaseof her White House Papers and she is stalling on that. Unless, of course, those papers show her to be a slightly more opinionated version of Laura Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/07/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 14 fans permalink

A mentorship with no security clearance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 03/07/2008

I am sorry, but your characterizing of Laura Bush's degrees in Education and Library Science as get-a-husband degree is nothing but an insult to teachers and librarians nationwide. I am saddened that any democrat places that low value on education and knowledge. I am as opposed to Bush and his policies as anyone and I don't believe that Laura Bush is some icon that shouldn't be touched, but let at least the criticism be accurate. As you said yourself - no need to make stuff up while pretending to be oh so above-it-all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 03/07/2008
- Rianna I'm a Fan of Rianna 13 fans permalink

So how much of foreign policy experience did Big Bill have before he become President?
Did they count the years he lived in England as a Rhode scholar?
Does having tea with a dignitary, and riding an elephant in Sri Lanka count as experience too?
Maybe, according to the Clinton calculaltion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 03/07/2008
- snowcat I'm a Fan of snowcat 23 fans permalink

She has 35 years experience in firing people, hiding papers, ranting and whining about how unfair everyone is to her, using people, getting repulsively rich in questionable ways. She has bought everyone necessary to get this nomination from the networks down to msm, to delegates to local politicians in big states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 03/07/2008

Dear lord, will you kids calm down? I just looked at the comments on the NYT blog and saw that the rabid "Naftagate" Obamamaniacs are posting over there as well? Can't you keep it on the HuffPo playground kiddies?

BTW, I voted for Obama and will be happy if he's pres. But if you agree that Hillary's attacks are trashing democrats in general, please take a hard look in the mirror as well. We look like the party of angsty 12 year-olds. Republicans everywhere are thanking you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 03/07/2008

I sure agree with you. The republicans are thrilled to death at the behavior of this campaign.T­his might be the last chance this country has.......­..........­..........­..........­..........­......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 03/07/2008

"It's the Clinton NAFTA story." -Keith Olbermann

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 03/07/2008

Isn't this all just a smoke screen.

are we not just discussing how many angeld can dance on the head of a pin

it's not whether he or she has more experience than the other.

ITS THAT NEITHER HAS ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO EVEN BE IN THE RACE!

we were mamipulated into a choice of these 2 "Novelty" and "Token" candidated because it made good cover for the 24/7 news cycles.

go back and watch the coverage, truely viable and experienced candidates were left to the limbo of "2nd tier" status to pushthese two to the front.

the same was done with Huckabee and Paul on the GOP side, they were given air time becuase of their novelty factor.

What we should be duscussing isn't the hairline difference between obama and clinton, but the vast difference between these 2 and Biden, Dodd, Richardson etc.. and how this whole mess came to be and what we can do to extricate ourselves from it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 03/07/2008

No point in discussing Biden, Dodd, and Richardson - that's the past. May as well try to figure out why Gore and Kerry couldn't gain traction to get that elusive 51%.

The focus of the campaign in the fall is the old Reagan question "are you better off today than you were four years ago?" Aside from the Bush insiders, who is going to answer "yes"?

To defeat Mc Cain, you have to continually hit him over the head about the war and how you can't fix the economy with tax cuts and deficit spending. He's just an extension of the same. He has offered nothing new or positive as a campaign platform.

The debate has to move away from the hypothetical "experience" to handle a foreign policy crisis. None of the three candidates have any experience in this and the two that are touting their experience are hawkish about Iraq! Experience is only good if it was based on good judgment.

The vetting on this issue came far too late to matter. Hopefully, HRC's exposure as the very empty suit she claims Obama to be will force her to change the campaign focus to the economy, (stupid).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/07/2008

Agreed. Because the economy is an issue neither has discussed in any specific detail, save for the NAFTA non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 03/07/2008

Sorry, but Kerry is out of the question. Gore is only choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/07/2008

I am saying that if we allow these 2 to fight it out until Denver, hotheadedMcCain might look like the sane adult.

by then the question in people's minds might be the economy but these 2 could look so battle scarred as to appear non-credible as serious candidates for dogcatcher.

with the 2 of them casting so much doubt about each other, and the quotes from their staffs that get in the news cycle, the pickings for the GOP will be plenty.

It is embarrassing to watch this,

I know this party is capable of proffering viable statemen worthy of this office and to think it is come down to months of "Texas HIgh School Cheerleading" type fighting between 2 of our lesser stars, after all the years waiting,

I can't bear to watch the news, and unless there is a glimmer of a chance for a new ticket by Denver, I know I won't be watching the convention, or voting come the fall,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/07/2008

I knew her experience was a joke, she was on vacation thats all. I should vote for her because shes racked up frequent flyer miles on my bill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/07/2008
- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

Can you imagine a Fortune 100 Company putting an ex-CEO's wife in charge of the company on the bases that she was married to the CEO and attended functions with him - but never actually sat in on board meetings, never had any type of "clearance" to make decisions and never held any type of Executive position?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 03/07/2008

Hillary's experience: Buck up President Bush on Wednesday in supporting the narco-terrorist state of Colombian President Uribe, while Latino American and European nations are demanding Colombia to respect international treaties and find political solutions in their 50 year old internal conflict.

Go Hillary?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 03/07/2008
- apduncan1 I'm a Fan of apduncan1 42 fans permalink
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I hope you become a guest of the FARC in the Colombian jungle and be fed worms and rice for 5 years, be made to sleep in the open at 6,000 ft with a cotton blanket for cover and made to walk for hours in the rain.

The FARC is holding thousands of Colombians hostage as well as a handful of Americans.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 03/07/2008
- karenann I'm a Fan of karenann 5 fans permalink

This reminds me of the professional services business -- you know, lawyers, accountants, etc., who charge their clients by the hour . . .

I worked for one once who charged his DREAM TIME to his clients.

Dream on, Hillary! If you dreamed it, you must have experienced it, right? Give me a break. . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 03/07/2008
- DennyCrane I'm a Fan of DennyCrane 25 fans permalink

This is yet another example of the lazy media. An analysis like this should've been done a year ago. Instead, the media let Hillary get away with claiming she has 35 years of experience. You repeat a lie enough times, people start to buy it. A responsible media would pounce on any bogus claims immediately. But Hillary gets a pass because the media wanted to see a female candidate running for President. Knock her out of the race too soon and you get another boring election with two white guys. But now that Obama is here, they can't decide who's the better ratings magnet. That's why the media is making sure this goes to the convention. If Hillary lost on Tuesday, she would've dropped out and the media would have to go back to talking about Britney or Lindsay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 03/07/2008

Thank you for pointing out how the media is lazy, and how they let the campaigns themselves write the leads for them. I mean, how many researchers do they pay to fact-check these claims, only to never see these things go to air? It's ridiculous.

Anyone who's not a partisan sycophant can take a look at that statement--that she has "35 years of experience"--and pick it apart so easily. But the dum-dums in the media, who never do their jobs, can't look at this and call it out on it's ass?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 03/07/2008

OUCH!

glad someone is finally questioning the rhetoric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 03/07/2008
- piezoid I'm a Fan of piezoid 4 fans permalink

Do you folks seriously want to compare Obama's experience with that of Hillary?

BRING IT ON!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 03/07/2008
- mooph I'm a Fan of mooph 8 fans permalink
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So "almost nothing" beats "nothing"? OK.

Fact is, she's been touting an inflated sense of her experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/07/2008
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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too late, pal, her experience is well documented in this article and its all fluff.....

The things you say
Your pomp and prance just gives you away
the things you say....
Their Unbelievea­ble....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 03/07/2008
- Jacee I'm a Fan of Jacee 18 fans permalink

Obama hasn't had to go through the humiliation of a spouse's public betrayal, over and over and over again. You are right about that.

On all other fronts he is good to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 03/07/2008

No.....jus­t his JUDGEMENT and INTEGRITY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 03/07/2008

Yes, I believe that Obama can claim that he has about 46 years of "experience", which certainly beats Hillary's "35 years"... so what the hell does Hillary mean??? I have more than 35 years of "experience" myself, but I don't claim that I'm the only Dem who is qualified to be the president today! Maybe if Hillary would explain how her "lifetime of experience" makes her the only person who should be our next president, she may actually make real believers of her. Instead she seems to capture the hearts and minds of those who love the name "Clinton" and can't see anything at all beyond the Clinton horizon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 03/07/2008
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