Nobel Winner: Hillary\'s Northern Ireland Peace Claims A

Nobel Winner: Hillary's Northern Ireland Peace Claims A "Wee Bit Silly"

London Telegraph   |  Toby Harnden   |   March 7, 2008 07:47 PM


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Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."


 
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So you'd believe the words of the people who for years oppressed the people of Ireland rather than read the words of the people who lived there.
Again from Ben Smiths' blog over at the Politico:
http://www.irishecho.com/search/searchstory.cfm?id=18626&issueid=563
feel free to call the women of Ireland false.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/11/2008

please Rhouse

I 'm from the South of Ireland and David Trimble didn't oppress me- get your facts right. Northern Ireland is at issue here, not "Ireland". Read some books. And if you want a balanced view get it from John Hume, his Co - Nobel prize winner, who is from a nationalist background. Yes, He gave Hillary more credit, but don't dismiss Trimble if you are a person of peace. There are so many perspectives and views on Northern Ireland and who did what when and who's to blame etc..that now there's even partisanship in discussing what Senator Clinton's role was......Her husband certainly played an important part.

In my opinion Senator Clinton embellished Her resume, and using Northern Ireland as a political football is politically unwise, considering that there are ongoing issues still unresolved there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 03/12/2008
- stringer I'm a Fan of stringer 8 fans permalink

I'm just curious. Does anyone honestly believe she substantially helped bring peace to Northern Ireland? Seriously. This goes to the deluded nature of Hillary fans that they think it was NOT the players themselves or the vast team of diplomats trained in foreign policy who brought peace to Northern Ireland. No. It was Hillary Clinton. And that any laudatory statements might have been made by officials afraid to piss off the wife of the most powerful person on the planet. Nope. It was her. She brought peace to Northern Ireland. Why hasn't she done it again since? Errr, we'll get back to you on that. Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 03/11/2008

These statements were made in the here and now, not in the past. But I forget, you'd much rather trust the British press, since they were always so truthfull about what went on durring the armys' "stay" in Ireland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 03/11/2008
- stringer I'm a Fan of stringer 8 fans permalink

I love how Hillary supporters are trying to call someone who won the Nobel Peace Prize "flawed." This after he goes out of his way to be as nice as possible about the fact she's basically lying about her role. He uses words like "wee bit" and "don't mean to rain on her parade" and they're still not happy. This is why people, including the Obama supporters derided on here, come after her so hard. They have to. Otherwise she'll spin it like you never said anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 03/11/2008
- JBelbute I'm a Fan of JBelbute 4 fans permalink

Hillary and her campaign have somehow reserructed Josef Goebbels. There is nothing that comes out of their mouths has any truth in it. If she was so involved where was she when Monica was in the oval office? Watching maybe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/11/2008

While I realize that no one will probably see this, Try this link from the Politico:
http://www.irishecho.com/search/searchstory.cfm?id=18626&issueid=563
Then make the shill comment about the people of Ireland

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/10/2008

Thanks. This is so IMPORTANT I'm going to copy some of your link here. Those who say Hillary didn't have a vital role in the Irish Peace should read what important Irish leaders say.

Statement from John Hume former MP MEP, founder of the SDLP and an architect of the Good Friday Agreement. He is the only person to win the Nobel Prize for Peace, the Ghandi Peace Award and the Martin Luther King Peace Prize.

“I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady. I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland.

She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process. There is no doubt that the people of Northern Ireland think very positively of Hillary Clinton’s support for our peace process, due to her visits to Northern Ireland and her meetings with so many people. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.

Anyone criticizing her foreign policy involvement should look at her very active and positive approach to Northern Ireland and speak with the people of Northern Ireland who have the highest regard for her and are very grateful for her very active support for our peace process.”
Inez McCormack, first female president of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions:

"Hillary Clinton took risks for peace in asking me and others to bring women and communities from both traditions to affirm their capacity to work for common purpose and to assert, when there was no public dialogue which supported it, that working for common purpose on the basis of mutual respect was the core of effective peace building. She used her immense influence to give women like me space to develop this work and validated it every step of the way. This approach is now taken for granted bit it wasn't then. She told us that if we take risks for peace, she would stay with us on that journey. In my experience, it took hard work, attention to detail and a commitment of time and energy which she delivered steadily and where it was needed over the last decade."
Baroness May Blood of the House of Lords, who worked for many years as a community leader in Shankill area of West Belfast

"The First Lady sent the message that the work and influence that grassroots women were undertaking within their communities was just as important as anything else that was taking place. I witnessed her building new confidence in women at the grassroots level and their statue grew within Northern Ireland as a consequence. All of a sudden they were being taken more seriously. The message we were also told by Hillary Clinton was that this work needed a political focus."
Geraldine McAteer, Chief Executive of West Belfast Partnership Board


"As First Lady, Hillary Clinton was extremely supportive of the peace process in Northern Ireland, and in particular, of the women who live here. In her visits during the peace process negotiations she met with women from a range of backgrounds and she recognized there was a real need to strengthen and support the voices of women in the post conflict context and get the needs of women and communities to the forefront of the new political agenda. She recognized that this would be best done through building the skillls of women here. Through her Vital Voices Conference in September 1998, I and others were able to develop our skills for the betterment of our communities."

News reports:

2007: Hillary honored for her work on the Northern Ireland Peace process. Irish American Magazine named Hillary “Person of the Year”, celebrating “her work on the Northern Ireland peace process”. [Irish American Magazine, April/May 07]
2007: Hillary met with Irish leaders who wanted to 'pay their respects to Hillary' for her work on behalf of peace in Northern Ireland. Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley recently traveled to Washington on behalf of the fledging Northern Ireland government, and they specifically requested two personal meetings: one with President George W. Bush and one with Senator Hillary Clinton. They wanted to “pay their respects to Hillary” for her long and varied role in promoting and working for peace in Northern Ireland. [Guardian, December 8, 2007]. As McGuinness put it, “these are wonderfully exciting times for all of us back home, not least because of the contributions made by President Clinton and Mrs. Clinton.” [AP, December 7, 2007].
1999: Northern Ireland Secretary: ‘Hillary is one of the essential reasons’ Ireland had peace. An August 1999 issue of Talk Magazine quotes Northern Ireland Secretary Mo Mowlam: "Hillary is one of the essential reasons we've had 18 months of relative peace. Without her we would have no economic boom."
1999: Hillary made frequent trips to Northern Ireland where she was 'not just in the humdrum affairs of state…but in the nitty gritty of the political scene' “A few years back the notion of an American First Lady speaking out on any aspect of life in Northern Ireland would have been taboo. Now it is accepted that not just this First Lady but also her husband make frequent trips to the North, and that they become involved not just in the humdrum affairs of state such as opening a new training center or mouthing niceties at a conference, but in the nitty gritty of the political scene too." [Irish Voice, May 25, 1999]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 03/10/2008
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 64 fans permalink

thank you Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey . . . the clintons are just liars . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 03/10/2008
- Felicty I'm a Fan of Felicty 31 fans permalink
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Another Clinton LIE.

Attagirl, Hillary! It's what you do best!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 03/10/2008
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 64 fans permalink

it sure is . . . . the Irish peace process started with John Major .. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 03/11/2008
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John Hume - He is regarded as one of the most important figures in the modern political history of Northern Ireland and one of the architects of the Northern Ireland peace process there. He is also a recipient of the Gandhi Peace Prize and the Martin Luther King Award, the only recipient of the three major peace awards.

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/951758/ShowThread.aspx
Statement by John Hume
“I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady. I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland.

She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process. There is no doubt that the people of Northern Ireland think very positively of Hillary Clinton’s support for our peace process, due to her visits to Northern Ireland and her meetings with so many people. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.

Anyone criticizing her foreign policy involvement should look at her very active and positive approach to Northern Ireland and speak with the people of Northern Ireland who have the highest regard for her and are very grateful for her very active support for our peace process.”

(John Hume ) Vs. Dick Morris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris
Let's see....Who should I believe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 03/10/2008

Look at the Bottom of the Page:

"PAID FOR BY THE CAMPAIGN FOR HILLARY CLINTON" ...

Come on. I know this is a liberal blog, but shilling for a candidate straight from their own talking points?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 03/10/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 172 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton has become delusional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 03/10/2008
- mawrm I'm a Fan of mawrm 24 fans permalink

The only people who buy these stories are the folks who don't know the first thing about how difficult it is to broker lasting peace in conflict-prone areas. Hillary Clinton playing a "positive role" in the peace process in Northern Ireland is laudable. However is NOT equivalent to the infinitely more difficult job of shepherding a peace process that took months if not years to build to a workable, agreeable solution to the parties involved. If it only took her a couple of trips to Northern Ireland to achieve such a deal, then I don't understand how Bill Clinton failed to negotiate lasting peace between the Israelis and Palestinians - seems to me all he needed was to get Hillary in the room to work things out. Also as yourself the following, why hasn't she been as effective since or even been called to help smooth negotiations elsewhere? Such skills would be in HIGH demand if she truly were able to accomplish what she leads people to believe she's able to accomplish.
It's another case of stretching the resume and the danger is that there will come a time when she will be truly tested and expected to perform as advertised. Only this time there will be thousands if not millions of lives in the balance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 03/09/2008

ah, does anyone notice that the bottom of this page says:

"PAID FOR BY THE CAMPAIGN OF HILLARY CLINTON" ...

what a joke ... Seriously, Huffington Post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 03/10/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 38 fans permalink

Listen no matter how much people attack Clinton and conflate Obama, She has twice the national senatorial experience he has at a minimum.

In addition his most senior advisors have made rookie blunders on the National Stage just in the last week. And he isnt even President yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 03/09/2008
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I would count the only Obama blunder in the past week as accepting the resignation of Samantha Power for saying -- and asking naively for it to be off the record -- that Hillary is a monster. That is something that many of us are thinking as we watch the unprincipled 'anything it takes' campaign she is waging. Samantha Power wrote a Pulitzer Prize winning book on genocide in our time -- "Problem from Hell'. In that she documents the Clinton administration's calculated indifference to UN pleas for assistance in stopping the Rwandan genocide that cost the lives of 850,000 Rwandans. Is this part of the '35 years of experience' that Hillary now claims as her strongest asset?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 03/09/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 172 fans permalink

Wasn't it Stalin who said the death of one person is a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic? That seems to be Hillary's take on things. Plus, as the Nick Nolte UN commander character in "Hotel Rwanda" said, "You people don't count..." and you can guess why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 03/10/2008

I wish all of the superdelgates would watch this and then make up their minds, and you all need to watch. Just search you tube for the other 8 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ6PYcKseM&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/09/2008
- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwLaCb07lAs
Posted on another thread by someone else -worth watching

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 03/09/2008

Wow, a noble peace prize winner had to humble Hillary, Wow!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 03/09/2008
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