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Daschle Suggests Clinton Aide Should Resign For Starr Comparison

Daschle Suggests Clinton Aide Should Resign For Starr Comparison

March 8, 2008 03:00 AM


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Former Sen. Tom Daschle on Friday suggested that top Clinton advisor Howard Wolfson should resign for comparing Barack Obama's tactics to those of Ken Starr.

"It's comments like [Wolfson's] that make me question whether we do have the same standards," said the former Senate Majority Leader. "I don't think that you can make a statement like that and consider yourself within the bounds of civility. I mean, this shouldn't be tolerated. It's not acceptable, and it's unfortunate."

Daschle, an Obama supporter and mentor, said he believed it was correct for campaign advisor Samantha Power to step down after calling Hillary Clinton a "monster." He called Power's comment regretful and said "the campaign had little choice but to do what was done."

And while Daschle would not directly call for a similar fate for Wolfson, he suggested that would be an appropriate move.

"Well, only one person can make that decision [for Wolfson's resignation] and that's Hillary Clinton," he said. "I'm just prepared to say today that the standard by which we judge civility and the degree of acceptable behavior appears to be different in the two camps. In our case, when somebody says the wrong thing, they're gone. It appears that in their case, normal life goes on."

In the past, Clinton surrogates have been dismissed from the campaign for bringing up Obama's youthful drug use. On occasion, however, it has taken several days for the campaign to acknowledge wrongdoing. In a conference call with reporters earlier on Friday, Wolfson denied that his situation and Power's were in any way comparable.

"I did not say that Senator Obama was like Ken Starr," he said, "and I think there is a difference between engaging in the kind of ad homimen personal attack on someone's character that Samantha Power did, and talking about the kind of campaign that team Obama has been running since Ohio and Texas."

In an interview preceding his appearance on Meet the Press this Sunday, Daschle also offered his version of a political anecdote involving Sen. John McCain's consideration of leaving the Republican Party several years ago. In 2001, Daschle recounted, he and other Democrats listened to overtures from McCain and his staff about a potential party switch. McCain, who was coming off a vitriolic primary fight against George W. Bush and felt disillusioned with the GOP, ultimate stayed with his party.

"I think in part it was [McCain's] frustration, his beginning to think that maybe he would be more comfortable as an independent, and so some of his staff approached us with an express interest in talking about whether or not that might be a possibility," recalled Daschle. "It was never a question of becoming a Democrat, but really of becoming an independent and caucusing with us. So we talked about how that might happen, and we talked about the fact that he is pretty conservative on some issues, and would that fit, and we talked about committee and staff assignments and work. And ultimately, when [then-Sen. Jim] Jeffords made the decision to switch to our caucus, that pretty much stopped the discussions from going forward anymore. But we had a good conversation, a series of conversations about it, and it just didn't develop into anything more than that."

In a twist of political fate, the man Daschle once courted could now end up being the presidential candidate he hopes to defeat. But the Democratic primary battle must be resolved first. And the current dynamics of the race have gotten increasingly heated. Asked about Clinton's criticism that Obama had not passed the commander-in-chief threshold, Daschle fought back.

"Well," he said, "Barack Obama has more public office experience than Hillary does, that is elected public office experience. And it's not just a question of experience, it's a question of judgment, and every single time Barack has been called upon to show good judgment, it's not only his experience but his character and his courage that has caused him to make decisions that others only wish they'd made years later, including Hillary Clinton."


 
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What the group of losers Daschel, Kerry, Ted ¦.have in common

O " let me see----

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 03/09/2008


What the group of losers Daschel, Kerry, Ted ¦.
O " let me see----


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 03/09/2008

In LA Times Opinion section..a great article by leslie Bennetts; "Go away why should she" on how misogynitic mostly male punditry, and men are to Hillary Clinton...Just inNot only is Clinton beyond the age when our patriarchal culture deems women to have lost most of their value. There are few
things this country is less interested in than aging women. America requires that females be or at least appear sexually desireable. Once they have
passed the age of facile objectification, and commodification they're supposed to disappear. and to show you what I mean..case we missed the

memo..Rush Limbaugh..recently spelled it allout for us. After observing that aging makes men look more authoritative, accomplished and distinguished, he then proceeded in registering his own distaste about the prospect of having to watch Hillary Clinton shrivel up in the whitehouse.
and said: Will america want to watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis? Oh the horror! IN the world of Limbaugh witnessing such
a spectacle that would be too repellant for the squeamish american electorate (although it would presumably pose no problem to watch John McCain.

Who would be the oldest president if elected. How misogynitic is that? YOunger women should sit up and take notice, as they won't be young forever. Twice as many american women age 75 and older live in poverty compared with men. Younger women struggle to manage worrk and family
with little or no help from our government; although 63 countries give women paid leave with the birth of a child , the United States doesn't!! So far

,women have helped elect a long series of men who paid lip service to family values while doing virtually nothing to improve the lot of this nation's women and children. Older women are getting fed up, but it seems younger women aren't noticing it enough yet to be affected.
Robin Morgan pointed out in a recent essay-Every organized patriarchal religion works overtime to contribute its own brand of misogyny" (Robin Morgan). T shirts reading "If only Hillary had married OJ instead" and south park about a terrorists secreting a bomb in Clinton's vagina. This is
sociopathic woman-hating. If it were the jews we would recognize it instantly as anti-semiticpropaganda.....wake up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 03/09/2008

The gender card is old. Either she can stand up to scrutiny or she can't. White women playing "victim" politics while decrying victim politics by Blacks is hypocritical. Hag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 03/09/2008

I'll admit. I'm one of the few to admit (at least who is forthcoming about this) that my second reason for supporting Hillary is simply because she's a lady.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 03/09/2008

uheardme:

You're asking Hillary to stand up to scrutiny???

If that isn't the biggest laugh in the world I don't know what is! Your boy Obama, couldn't survive one month of the scrutiny Hillary has been subjected to for decades!

Look at Obama's scrutiny record..... NONE !!! Obama;s scrutiny record is: run hide, deny, deny, attack Hillary - answer nothing..

So did you hear me uheardme?? Can Obama bear being scrutinized like Hillary has been? Never in a million years. He doesn't have the balls. He has to have his supporters... personally attack Hillary instead -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 03/10/2008
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Yes, those voting for Obama do so because they're misogynists. Especially the approximate 40%-50% of women out there.

By the same tortured logic, you are obviously supporting Hillary because you are a racist.

Stop being such a racist and vote for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 03/09/2008

Hillary dillary dock

Lied to deceive the flock.

Though her lies were soon outed,

Her stolen "win" was still touted,

Hillary dillary dock

This country does not need another lying cheating thief in the oval office. That's why I'm voting for Obama and CHANGE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 03/09/2008

Every past president has been white, christian, and generally rich.

Voting for a woman is not CHANGE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 03/09/2008

As always, it's never the gross types like Rush who bother me. He's having great fun with how he's claiming to have won Texas for Hillary. We all know that Rush makes his living off of her. Pretty funny too......if you're into sadism on the air.

What has truly bothered me as a woman? It's the built-in assumptions. *OUCH*

I KNEW my own life is filled with those. Oh lordy.......but I really had this idealism still that someone with more obvious accomplishments than me didn't have that same treatment.

Boy, this campaign opened my eyes.

Good golly, I had no idea that Hillary Clinton and I really DO have a lot in common.

That is the truth. And that is why a lot of us are using our cell phones and calling people in strange states for the first time in our lives.

The press and its hidden assumptions and attitudes managed to reignite some spunk in a lot of us. If Hillary had just rolled over, I'd have really been disappointed.

But she didn't. And there's a great article today on how she's even wearing out the press corps with her schedule. One reporter tacked a sign on his chair saying, "Please don't call me at 3:00 AM." *haha

So if she can do it, so can I.

This, I hope, will be the last damn time that we ever have to see sexism of this degree. This is not so much for HIllary as for our daughters. They probably don't care. I personally don't care that they don't care. They often are still clueless about what lies ahead or what will stop them in life, right when they are about to reach their own potential.

So this one is for the younger women. In the end, win or lose, it really is about standing up and speaking out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 03/09/2008

Get off the "gender" cross, honey. We need the wood!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 03/09/2008

Here Ann and I agree.

Hillary is a monster?

Maybe.

Hillary is a woman? Yes.

Is it time for a woman? YES!

Before I get ripped for calling Hillary all the names in the book -- manipulator, cheat, liar, monster etc -- believe me... I KNOW!

If this were an ideal world, I'd vote for Obama.

But there are two reasons I vote Hillary:

1) She is the president for a REAL world. Bitchy or not.

2) She is a woman.

I'll be the first to be honest about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/09/2008



In LA Times Opinion section..a great article by leslie Bennetts; "Go away why should she" on how misogynitic mostly male punditry, and men are to

Hillary Clinton...Just inNot only is Clinton beyond the age when our patriarchal culture deems women to have lost most of their value. There are few

things this country is less interested in than aging women. America requires that females be or at least appear sexually desireable. Once they have

passed the age of facile objectification, and commodification they're supposed to disappear. and to show you what I mean..case we missed the

memo..Rush Limbaugh..recently spelled it allout for us. After observing that aging makes men look more authoritative, accomplished and

distinguished, he then proceeded in registering his own distaste about the prospect of having to watch Hillary Clinton shrivel up in the whitehouse.

and said: Will america want to watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis? Oh the horror! IN the world of Limbaugh witnessing such

a spectacle would be too repellant for the squeamish american electorate (although it would presumably pose no problem to watch John McCain.

Who would be the oldest president if elected. How misogynitic is that? YOunger women should sit up and take notice, as they won't be young

forever. Twice as many american women age 75 and older live in poverty compared with men. YOunger womenstruggle to manage worrk and family

with little or no help from our government; although 163 countries give women paid leave with the birth of a child , the United States doesn't!! So far

,women have helped elect a long series of men who paid lip service to family values while doing virtually nothing to improve the lot of this nation's

women and children. Older women are getting fed up, but it seems younger women aren't noticing it enough yet to be affected.

Robin Morgan pointed out in a recent essay-Every organized patriarchal religion works overtime to contribute its own brand of misogyny" (Robin

Morgan). T shirts reading "If only Hillary had married OJ instead" and south park about a terrorists secreting a bomb in Clinton's vagina. This is

sociopathic woman-hating. If it were the jews we would recognize it instantly as anti-semiticpropaganda.....wake up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 03/09/2008

we have three choices ahead of us:

Senator Clinton - strong on war against terror,
strong on economy and on solving economic problems.
two pluses!

Senator McCain - strong on war against terror,
by his own words does't understand economy.
one plus,one minus.

Senator Obama - can not be trusted on war against terror,
weak on economy ,said his advisors will help him rule
America for the good of the World.
We see how his advisors act.It's scarry.
Every person ,who wants to change America
and whole World,
deserves at least to be examined.
one minus,one minus.
two minuses.

Now about hate:

Senator Obama uses hate,as a tool all the time.
First,from the beginning he tried to inject hate,telling,
that half of America hate Clintons,and that people hate Clintons era.

Then he painted Clintons as racists.Wanted to inject racial hate.

And now he is trying to convinse democrats to hate Clintons,blaming that they want to devide Democratic party.

Most of democrats support senator Clinton and superdelegats must choose this side,

Obama has support of AA part of democratic party,but it is much less then a half of democrats,and he makes differense with independent voters and obamacans-Obamas republicans,whom he told many times in different worlds but with the same message of HATE,something like:

COME TO ME,ALL OF YOU WHO HATE SENATOR CLINTON,HALP ME TO STOP HER.

I don't think superdelegats need to be on this side.

Yes,superdelegats must be on the side where most of democrats are,on the senator Clintons side.

Take a look on Obamas camp,all of them hide lots of hate underneath of "message of hope".

So,i got my first choice-senator Clinton,
and my second choice -senator McCain.

Sorry ,i can't vote for senator Obama,i can't trust on war, on Rezco,too much hate too,and i can't trust his advisors eather,i don't trust he can win:obamacans-republicans will go to McCain,,Latinos will go to McCain,workers want safe America, will go to McCain.
Who will stay with senator Obama,who?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 03/09/2008

Bill - is that you?

McCain and Hillary - Wrong on Iraq.
Who knows about economy.

"wife of" is NOT experience.

You are right to compare McCain with Hillary against Obama - there is no difference - McCain or Clinton - it's same-old or reach for something better.

I have had enough fear tactics, thank you.

Experience? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice - along with McCain (and claimed by Hillary) have experience and have been grieviously wrong.

Rezco is weaker than Whitewater,

Where are the Clinton White house papers, tax returns?
Enough dirty politics - no third Clinton term

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 03/09/2008
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You must be strapped down and medicated, toot-sweet !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 03/09/2008

heh,heeh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 03/09/2008


your post is blocking my view of relevant posts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/09/2008

ALMAL: You take up a lot of room on this blog without one intelligent piece of evidence to support your words.
Senator Clinton claims 35 years of experience. "Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she "helped to bring peace" to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited "standing up" to the Chinese government on women's rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.
But her involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process was primarily to women's groups there, a contribution that the lead U.S. negotiator described as "helpful" but that an Irish historian who has written extensively about the conflict dismissed as "ancillary" to the peace process.
The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders. And her mission to Bosnia was a one-day visit in which she was accompanied by performers Sheryl Crow and Sinbad, as well as her daughter, Chelsea, according to the commanding general who hosted her."
In addition, it was in the context of an interview that Samantha Power's slip of the tongue ("Hillary is a monstor")was not kept "off the record." The conversation was about the genocide in Rwanda taking place during Clinton's presidency and during the time that Hillary has claimed as her 35 years of experience. Hillary lied to Ohio about her support of NAFTA. The truth is that Hillary's claims of experience are fraudulant, and aside from her titles as First Lady in Arkansas and the White House, her experience includes less than a year working for the Children's Defense Fund, a board member for WalMart, and a long term career as a corporate lawyer defending the very corporations and special interests she claims she will fight if elected. She has only been in elected office 7 years to Obama's 11. FRAUD!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 03/09/2008
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Martin McGuiness and Ian Paisley would disagree with you on Hillary's role in brokering a peace agreement in Northern Ireland, and Richard Holcome would also take issue with your assessment of her influence in keeping borders open in Macedonia for Kosovo refugees. I realize that this is like inviting the Pope to visit Hell, but try checking FactsHub at http://facts.hillaryhub.com/ for a fuller discussion, then verify or refute by internet research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 03/09/2008

TishiJo:

LOL I heard another Obama pundit plant the same seed on both CNN and on MSNBC this weekend. What is it? Do you guys all get a cut and paste memo on your 'Hillary attack of the day chant'??

The US media election coverage has become THE international laughing stock! Not an original quote or opinion to be seen or heard. Anti Hillary mantras and chants - anything to detract from Obama being vetted - are the order of the day every day. To say people are talking about it, is a gross understatement - and to say they are disgusted is an even bigger understatement. Treating the public like fools does not go over well at all. The politicians in on this ugly charade are going to find that out at the polling booth, big time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/10/2008

Anyone who contemplates voting for InSane McCain is a rethug.

So ALMAL is another republican trying to keeps Obama from winning the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 03/09/2008

Daschel, the guy who couldn't even hold on to his Democratic leadership position. What a looser! Never in the History of our country was a Leader of a party, voted out of office. I refuse to listen to an idiot as such...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 03/09/2008
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Ok, it is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 03/09/2008

Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/09/2008
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Don't vote for Daschle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 03/09/2008

Or pay attention to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 03/09/2008

Wanod:

Have you noticed that the politicians supporting Obama, all say the same thing at the same time, all the time. They seem to need a script just like Obama does. Without one, they seem to be totally lost and I'm still waiting for an original sentence to come out of one of their mouths. Even that supposed General - supporting Obama - on CNN this weekend.... had a hard time putting two sentences together, when it didn't conform to his written spiel. They all sound like bloody robotic clones. The line is, Obama is a unifier, Hillary is not... Obama makes a great speech... Obama stands for change and hope. When questioned what change.... what are the changes he's promising... they use Hillary's Universal healthcare Plan as an example!

Who the hell are these guys and how the hell did THEY get elected in the first place?? When asked about Obama being vetted... they change the subject! And they say they care about the people!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/10/2008

Daschle just wrote a book about health insurance and in it he says everyone should be forced to buy health insurance. That's what Clinton is proposing. Why is he for obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/09/2008
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My guess would be that, overall, he still prefers Obama. What do you think?

Intelligent people don't make such decisions over relatively minor policy differences. They look at the overall picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 03/09/2008
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BTW, I also find Hillary's healthcare plan somewaht superior to Obama's, except that Hillary has been less than clear on how she would handle those who refuse to buy health insurance.

The fact is that neither plan would pass in it's present form. The important thing is that both recognize the need for universal healthcare and would take steps to get there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 03/09/2008
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Because people with differing opinions on one topic can often find common ground on others?

Was that a trick question?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 03/09/2008

I haven't read Daschle's book, and I sure wouldn't take your word for what's in it.

But I wonder why you support making insurance companies rich while screwing yourself out of medical care. Are you a CEO of an insurance company, making millions in bonuses annually while denying policy holders promised health care? Have you inherited a fortune like Paris Hilton and never have to work another day in your life? Not like that's going to help her if she suffers an accident or major illness -- A bout with cancer or a premature baby or an organ transplant, heart bypass, or infectious disease wipes out even those with money. Or are you one of the young who thinks you're going to live forever, never get sick or hit by a bus or truck?

Expect that deregulation, privatisation and tort reform is going to result in people getting very sick because corporations are dumping more toxic waste into the environment and not having to be responsible for the damages.

We pay the most for health care in the U.S. and get the least of any major industrialized nation, and many of the least well off, too. Cuba does a better job of providing its citizens with quality health care than we do.

What we need is universal single payer health care, and none of the candidates are proposing that. They're all in the pockets of the insurance lobby, with Hillary Clinton getting the biggest contributions from that industry.

The fact is, however, that it doesn't matter who gets in the White House because none of them will get their health plans through Congress. It's a farcical waste of time that the candidates are ecstatic to take up time on the campaign trail talking about. No health care reform is going to get through Congress until the people of the United States are able to reform the election system and get their members of Congress to work for them instead of the corporations who donate to their campaigns and national political parties.

Incumbents equal status quo. No change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 03/09/2008

Hillary is evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 03/09/2008
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George Bush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 03/09/2008

After Daschle's abysmal stint as majority leader in the senate and then losing his long-time senate seat, I am not sure if I would go to him for advice. He is like Ted Kennedy and John Kerry; he's trying to become relevant again and get back in the limelight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 03/09/2008
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Don't vote for Daschle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 03/09/2008

Or pay attention to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 03/09/2008

Tom Daschle presided over the Senate during the shameful period in which the Idiot Bush got everything he wanted, including the Iraq War. He was a disappointment in every way. His defeat was inevitable. I can't believe that Obama would want such an ineffective leader as an advisor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/09/2008

Being stupid and making mistakes, in one area, doesn't mean you will be stupid and mistaken in all areas. I am happy he spoke out, at least he did something---where are the others? With Hillary running amok, where are the others? Are they afraid of her, too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/09/2008

So even though he is stupid and makes mistakes, everyone should follow his advice this time? BTW, I remember watching Daschle getting caught up in the pro war euphoria and hugging W on the floor of the senate when Bush was still campaigning to sell us on war with Iraq. I really didn't miss him much after he lost his seat. I consider him to be about one notch above Liebermann. Maybe. Daschle needs to go back to South Dakota and freeze his butt off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 03/09/2008
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Daschle is not an adviser, he's a supporter. There's a difference. If Clinton had the chance to have Daschle or any other well known Democrat as one of her supporters, she would take him in a heartbeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 03/09/2008

Stop buying into the further castration of Democrats whose only crime was trying to work on behalf of their constituents, within the system and according to the rules, with thugs and criminals (Republicans).

Until and unless the laws and rules are changed, and the special interests and lobbyists are cleared out of legislators offices, OR, in the alternative, Democrats start electing their own equivalent thugs and criminals to the likes of Bush, Cheney, Rove, McConnell, Lott, Gingrich, Santorum, Specter, Hatch, Frist, ad nauseum, nice guys like Daschle and Max Clelland will be thrown into history's wood chippers.

Daschle's and Clelland's only faults were that they played by the rules of the game in town, and they trusted Bush, Cheney and the GOP would, too. Daschle is a creature of the Washington culture -- of money, influence, lobbyists and bipartisan cooperation. I don't think he ever saw the train coming that hit him. None of them did, until it was too late and Bush had his bugging devices in place and federal judges in his pocket and up his sleeves.

Daschle's just trying to make a living now, and in his own way trying to right the wrongs. Unfortunately, he can't do it from inside the system, from inside Washington. It's going to have to come from outside, from a people's movement. I think he knows that, but he's trying to position himself to be available on site if the people get it together and clear the thugs out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 03/09/2008
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Don't vote for Daschle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 03/09/2008

Or pay attention to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/09/2008

ooooh, smantha powers called hillary a monster. oooh wolfson called obama ken starr like.
who gives a shit?
neither should resign, be fired, or asked to step down.
this shouldn't be an issue, but the campaigns are getting so petty that it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 03/09/2008

It's true. It's like watching children on a playground during a bout of name-calling One thing, though: it is doubtful that Hillary was even up set by 'monster'. It was just an opportunity for her to try to stifle any further criticism from the Obama camp. As was her Ken Starr analogy. She wants it so that the Obama camp becomes afraid of even speaking ABOUT her, unless it's praise.
Everything this woman says and does is calculated to intimidate the other side. Bill was like that, and still is. They want Obama and his camp intimidated, they want the press intimidated, they want anyone who doesn't fall down and worship them, intimidated. That last is strong, but with the Clintons....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 03/09/2008

nohat:

Maybe it's time Obama started answering some questions for a CHANGE! His record of lies and flip flopping - so far - sure aren't instilling any confidence in anyone my friend.

His platform is as useless and lacking of originality... as his... squirming out of being caught in multiple lies and goofs...

And he hasn't even been vetted yet! So he and all his pundits... who chant change... well let's see some. Let's see him scrutinized like Hillary has been. Come on that would be a REAL CHANGE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/10/2008

True to a point. But Hillary saying She and McCain ONLY are prepared and Obama isn't is so far below the belt it isn't funny, and Grossly untrue. If she wants to make the case for her alleged experience as "wife of" - she is strengthening McCain's position, because HE really has experience - but that doesn't matter. It's all about her. So what if she weakens the democratic party? So what if she pulls out the Rove play book? She will do anything, say anything to get in power.
Haven't we had enough of that crap?
"Monster" is accurate.
Yes, the fear ad worked - I fear Hillary or McCain will attack Iran....
Edwards had the moral fortitude to admit he was wrong to have supported the Iraq invasion - Hillary still won't. Haven't we had enough of those who admit no wrong?
All you "loyal" democrats, keep apologizing for the Clinton's lack of integrity - independents like me will look elsewhere.....
I want someone who repudiates Rove tactics, not adopts them. If Hillary gets the nomination, I will vote for McCain. Nothing separates them foreign-policy-wise, and at least McCain once had integrity, and probably has more left than either Clinton ever had.

But that may depend on what the meaning of "is" is.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 03/09/2008

whats with the clinton campaigns constant hinting at a obama /clinton ticket?
sometimes her campaign borders on the bizarre.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 03/09/2008
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Just planting the seed of thought so that voters get used to the idea, and subsequently vote for her assuming that the Clinton/Obama ticket will happen.

Sadly, many voters are that stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/09/2008

The Democrats have been hollaring about the rift between the camps, so she offered a solution.

It sucks, I know. But she bested him.

Now, he looks grossly competitive and like the one who doesn't care if the party goes down in flames.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 03/09/2008

anninca your ridiculous posts never fail to amaze me.
last i looked, a presidential campaign is pretty competitive. huh?
and i dont think you will find many who look at hillary as unifying the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 03/09/2008
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lol. How's the weather on Mars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 03/09/2008

Only to really stupid people does he look like that. Mercifully, most people can see right through Hillary's ever-so-arrogant offer---for god's sake, who is she, far behind delegates, to be offering him second fiddle on a ticket? It is typical of controlling and delusional personalities to twist things around---make up down, make right left, make red green, and make offers...when what is offered isn't theirs to offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 03/09/2008

More spin. She goes in the gutter, praises McCain, slurs Obama, then "offers a solution".
I find Clinton's wide emotional swings troubling. From "I am honored to be seated next to Barack Obama..." to ranting about him, to sarcastic ridicule of hope....

I bet you're real proud of her "fear" ad. I'll take hope for something better over fear, but then, I have had enough of Bush.

Obama has attracted youth, Independents, and republicans as never before, but that doesn't matter to "loyal" democrats who worship the Clinton dynasty. I put America above party.

Beer-drinkers, bigots, old women, feminazis - yes, it is a big base, particularly in primaries that are closed to independents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 03/09/2008

Daschle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/09/2008

It's not bizarre. She's trying to buy off Democratic voters who are on the fence. She's trying to remain relevant. With Tuesday's win (Texas and Ohio) neither she nor Obama can get enough delegates to put them over the 2025 it will take to cinch it. Now Michigan and Florida and the superdelegates are in play.

She's saying, "You don't have to have one or the other. You don't have to bring the Democratic Party to the brink of destruction. There doesn't have to be a rumble at the Democratic Convention this summer. If you vote for me, I'll put him on the ticket, wink wink."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/09/2008

*hooting*

You must have missed the story that Obama has paid off Superdelegates 5 to 1 over Hillary.

*hooting*

Buy off, indeed. However, you have the wrong candidate in your sites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 03/09/2008
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To any reasonable observer, Hillary has everything on her side based on experience and likelihood of success in getting at least some of her programs implemented. Obama has two assets only: he has more pledged delegates by about 100, and he wasn't in a position to vote either way on the authorization of force in Iraq resolution and claims he would have opposed it. That's about it for Barack, other than his professorial speeches filled with vague calls for hope and change. His policy proposals are boilerplate lifted from Clinton and Edwards, his advisors are either academics with no political smarts or old Washington insiders like Ted Kennedy and Tom Daschle whose support belies Obama's own call for "new politics" and his national experience is slim at best. Any other politician who might be offered a VP spot based on 3 years out of the Illinois State Legislature with Obama's resume would leap at the opportunity, but so far Barack clings to the righteous claim that he has won more pledged delegates mainly based on race loyalty and enough grassroots organization to win all but one state caucus, therefore is absolutely entitled to be the nominee without the need to gain a majority of total delegates before Denver. Why should Democratic pros roll over based on his demand for what he styles as "fairness" if they begin to suspect that he is not the better candidate? All the anti-Clinton invective on this website is based on nothing more than knee-jerk hatred for anyone who would stand in Barack's way, and ignores Clinton's obviously greater domestic and foreign experience. I have seen posts which call Hillary's foreign policy experience nothing more than drinking tea. Ask Ian Paisley about that - he credits Hillary with a major roll in organizing women in Northern Ireland as a political force resulting in peace talks, for which the Irish-American League voted her Person of the Year in 2007. Or ask Richard Holbrooke about Hillary's direct role in negotiating opening of borders in Macedonia to fleeing Albanians from Kosovo. Mindless criticism of Hillary Clinton is based on nothing but fervent support for Obama. A Clinton/Obama ticket is a winning ticket, and Obama should be more open to it as a way to unite the party instead of clinging to his overreaching ambition to make a great leap from the Illinois legislature into the White House without much in between.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 03/09/2008

Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 9:30am GMT 08/03/2008Page 1 of 2

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

In the article:

Central to Mrs Clinton"s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don"t go to school together, they don"t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.

"And I wasn"t sure it was going to be very successful and finally a Catholic woman on one side of the table said, "You know, every time my husband leaves for work in the morning I worry he won"t come home at night.

"And then a Protestant woman on the other side said, "Every time my son tries to go out at night I worry he won"t come home again". And suddenly instead of seeing each other as caricatures and stereotypes they saw each other as human beings and the slow, hard work of peace-making could move forward."

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city"s Ormeau Road.

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/09/2008
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One thing I was reading in the Observer which many people seem to have ignored in the general mess.

Samantha Power actually said two things

1] Hillary is a monster, which was a little over the top.

2] That Obama's plan for Iraq was a best case scenario.

Now funnily enough Hillary might have reasonably objected to point (1)

My problem is with point (2), it sounds awfully like the Dem's of 06.

We will make Bush withdraw except if h doesnt want to.

Now this sounds exactly like what McCain and Hillary are saying.

That's why I refuse to vote for any of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 03/09/2008
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That's one way to look at it. Although, I don't you are right about McCain. He wants to stay in Iraq forever.

I don't know if (2) is Obama's position either. But, some would take what Power said as the real truth, and it might well be.

The biggest difference between Obama and Hillary in foreign policy is how they approach problems. Obama is more for unconditional dialogue. That, to foreign policy wonks, means a lot. That would be a big shift from where we are now. Hillary would basically maintain the NeoCon policy of "good vs evil" and we don't talk to evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 03/09/2008

This unconditional dialogue is one of the very few things on which I disagree with Obama. And it is terribly European. I hope he's not taking advice from any Europeans on foreign policy. For the most part, they are appeasers. The UK is the worst on this side of the pond, and their appeasement policies have taken them down, down, downIt never, never works, it only weakens a country. And meeting with evil world leaders---who want the photo opp. and little else---isn't good. Too many people in too many countries are swayed by pictures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 03/09/2008

One of the reasons he wants to stay there forever is that it's a great place to fight Al-Qaeda. Keeps them away from American soil. They aren't going away, so fight them in somebody's else's country. Saves on cleanup over here. Iraq is just a battlefield chosen by a general who, though mad, is not SO mad that he doesn't understand this: if you want rid of the flies, move the honey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/09/2008

Exactly. The Iraq study commission - remember that? Said we should be talking to all nations to solve the MidEast mess. Clinton, McCain prefer the Yosemite Sam foreign policy approach of Bush.

I want more talk, less war with other nations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 03/09/2008

That's correct, and Hillary is making hay with that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/09/2008
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Because the statement migh indicate that Obama's position might be similar to Hillary's? She "making hay" with her own position? Briiliant!

Personally, I don't see much of a difference between what the two have said about troop withdrawal. What I have problem with is that Hillary has consistently sided with the NeoCons in the past, and her general foreign policy approach is the NeoCon approcah. And that approach has brought us nothing but one disaster after another.

I don't see how anyone opposed to NeoCon policies can choose Hillary over Obama. It is completely irrational.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/09/2008

Neither candidate, Clinton nor Obama, is going to withdraw ALL troops from Iraq. And with ANY troops in Iraq, you have to have ALL of the troops in Iraq. For the troops own security.


Both candidates intend to keep the green zone in Baghdad occupied. With the U.S. embassy (largest embassy in the world). That entails is keeping U.S. military bases inside Iraq as well as inside the region (Middle East).


This is all about oil. It always has been.


The Iraqi parliament is resisting passing the oil law written by the U.S. The law would give western oil companies 75% of Iraq's oil for the next 35 years. Once passed, the U.S. then says, "Our military must remain in the region to protect U.S. vital interests." In case you were wondering, this wouldn't lower gas prices for anyone. It would, however, make Dick Cheney, Bush, their families and cronies stinking, foul-smellingly as rich as the Saudi royal family.


The defense contractors were be in pig heaven. With "vital American interests" to protect, it would be ALL WAR, ALL THE TIME.


It would NOT make Americans any safer. It would, in fact, make us less safe.


Resentment over our presence and their lack of ownership and control over their own country and resources is powerful motivation for violent acts of terror, not to mention the damage we've done to them, their families and their lands. Though we're not really their targets. Their grievance is with the U.S. leadership that is doing this to them. But they can't get to the leadership -- Bush, Cheney, the beneficiaries of these wars for oil, they don't fly commercial. They're not out in the open, in public, as the rest of us are. Their obscene wealth protects them and allows them, their families and loved ones, to lead lives where they don't have to take responsibility for their decisions and actions.


But we do have to take responsibility. For the results of our own decisions and actions and for our leaders'. We're left holding the bag. In a democracy, We the People are the front line of attack. For what our leaders do in our names.




    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 03/09/2008
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It seems to me that both Democratic candidates missed the boat last week. In a major news story the Airforce announced its plans to award the deal for the new K C 45 tanker to Airbus after hinting to Boeing that the deal was theirs. Such a contract award will take hundreds of American jobs to a european company and hurt an already economicaly strained area of our country.This is , after all, the UNITED STATES AIRFORCE if i'm not mistaken. Now there are many reasons why this is a bad deal for America and both candidates could have stepped up and loudly voiced their indigination at this deal and in so doing, perhaps swayed the votes of those working class people, still undecided as to which candidate to give thier vote to. However they chose instead to trade jabs about insignificant b.s. that will only weaken themselves and the party in the fall.If they continue to spar over irrelivent issues and ignore those that will help show them in a positive light then the Republicans will ahve a much easier time of taking them on in the fall. Snap out of it you two...every time you miss the boat on important subjects over childish innuenndo the other team ears points and you lose them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/09/2008

I, too, am bothered by the personal stuff. Most of it is coming from Obama in his "Get Tough" now campaign. She's more focused on election qualifications, etc.

But I've decided that this is how it goes in elections. Until we get to the general, it's hard for the Dems to discuss current situations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 03/09/2008

After reading this morning's NYT, the piece on Obama shows me what I have suspected all along...all hype, no substance. Between Rezko and the Obama campaign shooting itself in the foot, the Clinton campaign doesn't need to go negative on him. Hillary is correct in saying Obama is not ready for the presidency; he would, however, benefit alot from being VP and then ascending to the presidency.

Hillary will continue to focus on the economy, Iraq and health care issues; which is what people are very concerned with at this time. The job report of 63,000 jobs lost is scary; but when you lump it in with all the other bad news brought about by a republican administration, I believe now is the time for Hillary to spend some time pointing out the missteps and misadventures of John McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 03/09/2008

What spin. Blame Obama???? Who played the "fear" card?
Who praised McCain and said Obama is only a speech?
Who compared him to Starr?
Who mocked having hope that we can change things?

Hillary's myth of experience as "wife of" is laughable. Her "For" Iraq and "For" NAFTA are real fine examples of experience. Her funding by lobbyists should tell you all you need to know.

This isn't how it had to go, things weren't bad until Clinton reached into the Rove bag of tricks.....

It doesn't say "tough" to me to smear, it says "unprincipled". Without facts on your side, you have to resort to other means,,, hey, it got Bush re-elected...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 03/09/2008

I think; therefore, I exist
---Rene Descarte
I exist; therefore I am entitled to the nomination.
---Hillary Clinton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 03/09/2008

It's reported that Descarte died in a coffee shop when the waitress asked him if he'd like more coffee and he replied, "I think not."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 03/09/2008

I've heard that one but I never tire of hearing it again, Evo. It is that funny... have you taken courses in philosophy? I have. I have a degree---but I don't do it anymore because I nearly lost my mind under professors of the analytic type. As in analytic philosophy.
Metaphysics was my one love, but analytic philosophers tend to frown on it.
Anyway, thanks for the joke, the thing is brilliant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 03/09/2008

If Hillary's being entitled to the nomination is implied by her mere existence, does this mean that if she doesn't get it, we will be rid her...forever?
No. Only if it can be shown that she isn't ENTITLED to the nomination, this whether she gets it or not, will she cease to exist.
Oh, pleeeeease, someone, find the irrefutable proof that she isn't entitled to it. And when you do, post it here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 03/09/2008
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