Obama Camp: Clinton Foreign Policy A Dramatized Assertion, Clinton Calls His Iraq Plan "Just Words"

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First Posted: 03-11-08 09:26 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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The Obama campaign has released an exhaustive memo on Hillary Clinton's foreign policy experience. They argue that Sen. Clinton's claim that she has passed a Commander-in-Chief threshold is "mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial." They also detail each of the foreign policy situations -- Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda and China -- that Sen. Clinton has mentioned during the campaign.

Meanwhile, Sen. Clinton has sought to preempt a scheduled environment speech for Obama today. Co-opting his phrase, she calls both his environmental policy and his promise to withdraw from Iraq "just words."

Read Obama's memo (Clinton statement below):

To: Interested Parties From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department RE: Senator Clinton's claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words? DA: March 11, 2008

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton's argument that she has passed "the Commander- in-Chief test" is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue - not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role. But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims - i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign - would conclude that Senator Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:

Senator Clinton has said, "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland." It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland. She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy. But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace. As the Associated Press recently reported, "[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord." With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role. The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that "[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one."

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News of Senator Clinton's claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph's report at the time, "[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times." Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: "The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn't on it."

Bosnia:

Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone. She has described dodging sniper fire. While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone. On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that "Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn't hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage."

Kosovo:

Senator Clinton has said, "I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo." It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials. Her claim to have "negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," however, is not true. Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999. The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments - U.S. diplomats. President Clinton's top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, "I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue." Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration's National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict. He recalls that "she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations."

Rwanda:

Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide. When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened. Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops. No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action. Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed. Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide. It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote - urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda - in her memoirs. President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs. And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America's failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China

Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama's speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago. Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women's rights. But Senator Obama's opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force. Senator Clinton's speech in Beijing is not.

Senator Obama's speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment. In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called "a rash war . . . a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics." In that speech, he said prophetically: "[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences." He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would "fan the flames of the Middle East," and "strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda." He urged the United States first to "finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda."

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama's advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation's history. Some of the most "experienced" men in national security affairs - Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others - led this nation into that catastrophe. That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience. Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.

Conclusion:

The Clinton campaign's argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed "the Commander-in-Chief test." That claim - as the TV ad - consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation - the War in Iraq - Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled "The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq." As she cast that vote, she said: "This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction." In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued - remarkably - that she wasn't actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy. That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience. The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment. The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization - like a blank check - to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong. In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected. Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader - an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.


After seven years of an energy policy written by and for the oil companies - with help from Dick Cheney - oil has now reached $107 a barrel - and gas prices in some areas are approaching $4 a gallon.

I understand Senator Obama is talking about energy today, right here in Pennsylvania. And that's great. But talking about problems is easy. Solving problems is hard. And speeches are no substitute for solutions. Speeches won't lower gas prices, stop climate change, or lessen our dependence on oil from Saudi Arabia.

The true test comes when it's time to match rhetoric with results. And unfortunately, we've seen that Senator Obama's promises and speeches are often just words.

On the campaign trail, Senator Obama talks about clean energy. But in the Senate, he voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill loaded with new tax breaks for oil companies. When he faced a tough choice, his support for a clean energy future turned out to be just words.

It's like how he talks about fixing NAFTA. But his top economic adviser assured the Canadian government that he wouldn't really follow through. His position? Just words.

Senator Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months. But his top foreign policy adviser said he's not really going to rely on that plan. I guess that plan is just words, too.

We need a president who will solve problems. Who will fight for our families long after the speeches are over and the cameras are gone. That's the choice in this campaign: Solutions you can rely on - versus words you can't.


The Obama campaign has released an exhaustive memo on Hillary Clinton's foreign policy experience. They argue that Sen. Clinton's claim that she has passed a Commander-in-Chief threshold is "mere ass...
The Obama campaign has released an exhaustive memo on Hillary Clinton's foreign policy experience. They argue that Sen. Clinton's claim that she has passed a Commander-in-Chief threshold is "mere ass...
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By repeating her position enough times, Hillary is now winning in the juxtaposition of Change vs Experience relating to the issues of national security and the economy. Unfortunately, an inaccurate view has emerged that Obama wouldn't protect America as well as Hillary or McCain, either because his experience or his less combative and in your face approach.

Change and Transformation is what is needed to help insure safety and improvement in the economy. Obama must get back to his core message as he counters Clinton's arguements.

1. The current policies have created less safety and inflamed more hatred all around the world toward America. With Hillary we still get a bull dog pushing around American might rather than listening and diplomacy. She has demonstrated that by her actions the past month.

2. Obama is the only one running who could sway a nation to pursue new goals rather than being stuck in the ruts of today. For example, by pursuing new energy technologies and creating a entrepreneurial environment with incentives in this sector we could see quite a bit of economic stimulus. Obama could create another "Moon Shot" like JFK did, call it a "Green Shot". That is how he can get Al Gores endorsement.

What would you rather see from the next President, a strong will to Power or a strong will to Serve?

Obama demonstrates a drive and will to Serve America and its people (this is a wonderful Change)
Clinton demonstrates a drive and will to hold power at whatever costs (she can list this Experience on her resume)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 03/11/2008
- kozmik I'm a Fan of kozmik 4 fans permalink

"Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on."

lol. Thank goodness she's finally getting called on that BS. Thankfully it's happening now as opposed to later. What a disaster she'd be in debates with McCain with that sort of nonsense. She'd look like a fool, less authentic than Kerry. Which is all we need to extend the losing streak to 12 - 16 years. :rolleyes:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 03/11/2008

Why isn't anyone questioning her on China foreign policy. During her time in the White House as first lady, China was granted permanent Most Favored Nation Status. That lead to the dropping of trade barriers with a failing communist govt. that started a avalanche of American manufacturing jobs moving to China.

The result, we rescued a communist nation from failure and sold out the American worker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 03/11/2008

Obama should have this "Clinton's 'Experience' Debunking" printed in the NYTimes, Wash Post, and all other newspapers. Everyone should read this and know without a doubt that Clinton's "Experience" is a complete fabrication.

She has no more experience than Sinbad to be President of the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 03/11/2008
- rubicon101 I'm a Fan of rubicon101 7 fans permalink

"Is Obama a Wimp?' this question is asked on Politico.
The question is who can win the general election in November?
Democrats should put their money on the toughest candidate to WIN, we don't need second place in the general.
I know Barack is widely popular yet Hillary is also popular and is the one candidate that can deliver.
Hillary Clinton will not be beaten in the General Election because she wasn't tough enough...w­here as Barack doesn't seem to have that instinct that it takes in politics..­that is partly why Barack is popular.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 03/11/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

Obama loses this argument until he can give someone a reason to vote for him as oppose to against someone else. There continues to be no tangible reason to do so.

It simply proves the point when attacking Hillary draws more attention to Obamas glaring weaknesses, who by any measure has significantly less National and Global experience of ANY kind than Clinton. Attacking Clinton on your candidates’ greatest weakness is and will continue to backfire.

Obama's conflated judgment amounts to a speech he gave against an uncontested seat until Keyes carpet bagged. This is not judgment unless there is a vote or consequences for his view.

So far, his judgment as a senator includes voting with Clinton on the war, no hearing on Afghanistan and two major foreign relations blunders in a week. And he isn’t even president yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 03/11/2008
- Hesh I'm a Fan of Hesh permalink

MEMO: To Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
SUBJECT: it's McCain, Stupid!

Remember him? The guy you're going to have to beat in November? Stop showing us you can beat up on each other and show us which one of you can beat up the hardest on McCain! That's what we need to see in our candidate. Forget about experience vs. idealism, or mandated vs. un-mandated health insurance. You can sort out health insurance mandates after the inauguration. Right now the job is to go after McCain! Both of you! Hit the sleazy weasel in the nuts, pull him down off the heavenly pulpit the media have put him on. Run your ads attacking McCain. Make your speeches attacking McCain. Don't wait for the nomination to go after him, you've got to hit him now, so he's a virtual corpse by the time you get to Denver. Otherwise it'll be too late. Republicans win by defining their Democratic opponents as monsters and demons; they're good at it, and McCain will have done just that before you even get to Denver if you don't do it to him first.
And if you don't, you'll lose and you'll deserve to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 03/11/2008

Senator Obama 'exaggerates' his no more 'politics as usual'. www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 03/11/2008

It's a good memo, but they need to keep at it, and keep reframing it. Assume that the press corp has the attention span of a six-year-old on meth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 03/11/2008
- AuntSally I'm a Fan of AuntSally 26 fans permalink
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"Speeches are no substiute for solutions.­.."

Sometimes, the right speeches -- at the right times -- are what lead to solutions.

"I have a dream..." Just words?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 03/11/2008
- eladora I'm a Fan of eladora 9 fans permalink

way too long for me to read. can he put out some cliff notes on it? come on obama campaign--get this to the public in clear concise form ---- this isnt fighting back, it is boring back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/11/2008
- nazgul I'm a Fan of nazgul 10 fans permalink

After several years with HuffPo as my homepage I have reset it to talkingpointsmemo.

I'm tired of having 90% or more of my blog comments inscrutably rejected. That's simply no way to treat people.

This information is available elsewhere. I'll go there instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 03/11/2008
- huffnpuffn I'm a Fan of huffnpuffn 8 fans permalink

Of course Hillary is right. Sixteen months after assuming office is too long to be dragging our feet getting out of Iraq....

Wait a minute! Hillary doesn't even attempt to estimate how long she will prolong this debacle!

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

She does have a plan to plan though. Maybe that's not worthless.

Seriously, who are these knuckleheads? Gas up the tanks, throw it into reverse, and high tail it to Kuwait. 30 days tops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 03/11/2008
- Arleang I'm a Fan of Arleang 13 fans permalink

Just discovered this little tidbit about Clinton finances. InfoUSA (IUSA) is being sued by shareholders (Cardinal Capital Management and Dolphin Limited Partnership) and has delayed filing their 10-K. The suit was filed because of 2.1 million paid to Bill Clinton for consultative fees and another 1.2 million promised to him. InfoUSA is headed by Vinod Gupta who is a major Clinton backer and who has provided private jet transportation for the Clintons in addition to the consultation fees.

Got to http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/6/4/210922.shtml?s=lh for more information. There are also allegations about Paul Pelosi who is now paid $180,000 a year by IUSA and who works/worked for CountryWide.

All very interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/11/2008
- JakeEasy I'm a Fan of JakeEasy 13 fans permalink

This petty, nit picking, name calling, tit for tat stupidity has to stop. What more can we do to insure a McCain presidency? Neither of our candidates is addressing what should be the focal point of a Democratic presidential race. Other than a little bit of faux populist talk and some "stuff" thrown into the platforms, neither is being forthright or forceful about what the Democratic candidate should fight for -- the lives of common people.


I don't know if it is possible to quote from the NYT, but today's commentary sums up the problem with what is going on in this election. We are letting ourselves be distracted by this prom queen fight. We are about the hit the wall economically. Nothing that Washington has done will affect more people more drastically. We have let ourselves be fooled and used by the richest among us. They have convinced us that the only way we can save ourselves is to take care of our wealthy. They have convinced us that it is not they who have caused pain for the middle class but get us to blame the poor. They have convinced us that there is a world of difference between two identical candidates so that we are preoccupied with parsing slogans and sniping at each other and don't notice that they are stealing our jobs and our lives. They lay off 5,000 workers and send the jobs overseas. That's five thousand families thrown into despair just so the wealthy can order the gold plated sink fixtures for the guest bathroom in the vacation home in the mountains.


I will support the first candidate who will convince me that they will take on this battle. Both of our candidates are part of the elite rich, but they are campaigning to be our general. I want the one who will lead us back to the country we were meant to be.


Read Bob Herbert's editorial. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/opinion/11herbert.html?hp

Here is sample: ..."neithe­r the Democrats nor the Republicans have stepped up to this fundamental long-term challenge, and that includes the three remaining candidates for president.


No one will tackle the crucial issue of employment in a serious way. The cornerstone of a middle-class life in America (and that means the cornerstone of the American dream) is a good job. The American dream is on life support because men and women by the millions who want very much to work — who still have in their heads the ideal of a thriving family in a nice home with maybe a picket fence — are unable to find a decent job."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 03/11/2008
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