Packaging and a packet containing salvia divinorum, which is a legal hallucinogenic drug sold at novelty stores, smoke shops and adult video stores, are shown here in Tigard, Ore., Saturday, March 3, 2007. Salvia divinorum is native to Mexico and has been used for hundreds of years in indigenous healing rituals. Lawmakers in eight states have put restrictions on it, and Florida is considering making it illegal. (AP Photo/Don Ryan, File)

Salvia: The Next Marijuana?

JESSICA GRESKO | March 11, 2008 07:26 PM EST | AP

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of Salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out!" and "stock up while you still can."

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, Salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects. Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

Salvia divinorum is not one of the several varieties of common ornamental garden plants known as Salvia.

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

Salvia's short-lasting effects and the fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality."

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.

It's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. Because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics.

A study of released last month by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services found just under 2 percent of people age 18 to 25 surveyed in 2006 reported using salvia in the past year. A 2007 survey of more than 1,500 San Diego State University students found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee unanimously passed the salvia bill on Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.


 

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Well, there must be a pretty wide range of reactions to salvia because a few months ago I was feeling adventurous and decided to order some from what is probably the most prominent online source and... nothing. nada. zip. zero. zilch. Tried doing it like chewing tobacco, smoking it, following all the instructions -- and never felt a thing. (Yes I was disappointed :) I figured it was all a big hype of people just trying to make money off the fact that pot is illegal.

I guess if all these other people got some kind of intense high my conclusion may have been wrong, but you coulda fooled me.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/12/2008

Either you did it wrong, were mistaken of our prominent source or you're a super hardhead because it's no joke or scam. I'm a super softie and it only takes a minute amount of extracts to have a very interesting experience.

By the way, Mr. Studebaker, while your post does have some merit you seem to be missing the point. There are varying levels of salvia shamanism. The hyperdrive speed to Mars you speak of is a level that a lot avoid after happening upon it. It can be very pleasant but not something that makes things funnier. It is for meditation, period.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 03/13/2008

WTF?

Salvia is NOT pot. If pot is a blurry Saturday Afternoon in the Park, then Salvia is a blinking strobe light that propels you at hyperdrive speed to the surface of Mars. someone called it "a flaming rollercoaster". That's putting it mildly. It works by remapping your sensory input. It is NOT a recreational thing. You don't just knock back a corn dog and then puff some salvia thinking it will make SNL funnier. No. It doesn't work that way. Basically, "you go somewhere else", and it ain't here. The stuff makes DMT look mild and for happy making. Avoid Salvia unless you have VERY specific reasons to go there, like, you want to experience complete psychosis without going crazy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 03/12/2008

FWIW - I've already spoke to a couple people who have already bought and tried salvia since this article hit the wires.

I'm not sure what the point to the whole article was except the Florida bit but it seems that this article has done nothing but make salvia more desirable.

I wonder how much more business salviadragon (horrible vendor by the way) has gotten since this article has gone out.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/12/2008

Headline translated to kidspeak:

"If you can't get any weed, smoke some Salvia instead."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 03/12/2008

Ummm who can't get weed?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 03/12/2008

Damnit
I thought it said saliva was the new marijuana and I was all psyched, because I have drool issues.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/12/2008

Asking if salvia is the next marijuana is like asking if crystal meth is the next coffee.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 03/12/2008

Yah, worst headline I have seen in a long time. My personal analogy would be:
"Fear that naked bungie jumping from 10,000 feet while juggling flaming spiked bowling balls to replace relaxing afternoon strolls."

The level of utter ingnorance in the headline is downright shameful. Ok, I was being way too nice with "ignorance", this is just plain old stupidity.

For those who care to know: the two drugs could not be more dissimilar.
In fact, Salivia is like NOTHING else I have ever tried. And I am rather 'experienced' (HEY! I think that's the first time I got to use that properly). In my misspent youth, I experimented with everything from pot, through hash and all the way into PCP, crack and the like. Nothing I am proud of, not waving a 'drug head' banner around, just stating my 'qualifications' so that others can weigh my opinion...I went into Salivia thinking I knew it all and then some. I had researched it and I had tried to either eat, smoke, snort or inject pretty much every other compound on the planet...and it utterly and completely knocked me on my wazoo. I had NO idea the human mind was capable of even anything close to that. If LSD is a car drive, this stuff is a flaming rollercoaster. It is insane. Please, please, PLEASE do not rely on asshats like the author above and do your research. If you go into it thinking you are gonna get a psuedo-pot high, the result could be very, very bad.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 03/12/2008

Except that Salvia is entirely non-addictive, maybe even counter-addictive.

More realistic (compared to the completely unrealistic headline) would be to say that dextromethorphan (cough medicine) is the next marijuana.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/12/2008

I thought Coleus was also one of these type of plants and it's freety sold in nurseries everywhere.
I'm told it has the same reaction that ya get from 'video head cleaner' aka butyl nitrate.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 03/12/2008

Salvia's only similarity to Cannabis Hemp (Marijuana) is that they are both plants.
Cannabis is unique because it is a completely non-toxic medicine. It is the only cure for glaucoma, the only cure for asthma and the best anti nausea medication.. The Cannabis plant can be Earth"s main source of fuel, fiber, paper, and building materials. The Hemp seed is rich in amino acids and protein. The Cannabis flowers are powerful medicine and inspiration. This is just the tip of the iceberg and some of hundreds of reasons why Hemp will save the world
The drug war is a shame and to continue to ban plants is only going to increase crime. If you want to learn more check out Jack Herer"s The Emperor Wears No Clothes.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 03/12/2008

>"Time is running out!" and "stock up while you still can."
That's just advertising. Marketers have been saying things like this at least since I first heard of Salvia about 7 years ago. Still, it's an honest message. Salvinorin-A is a quite stable and can be easily stored for many years. If it does become illegal, those who bought it will have it, and those who didn't will have to find a way to get it if they want.

>As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

They're talking about kids using it, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly adults using it, not for recreation but for self-exploration. Although Brandenburg feigns concern for kids, her bill will turn responsible parents into felons. Kids don't typically spend "up to five years in jail" for drug posession.

>"...no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive."

Indeed. Has anyone heard of anyone driving on Salvia? It's common knowledge that such an attempt would be suicide, so no one does it. Or if someone actually IS that stupid, then such a person would be dangerous with anything they do.

>"Native to Mexico and still grown there, Salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk."

That sentence is misleading. Traditional use was by eating the leaves. The smoking effects are a modern discovery.

I don't have time to rip apart this whole article. This one is typical, mostly misinformation meant to alarm the public.




favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 03/12/2008

I tried it once myself and experienced falling spells and disorientation that were extremely unpleasant....I've never had any desire to try it again, and threw out all that I had.

Marijuana is a pleasant, controllable drug that I use frequently...and Salvia is NO substitute for the high I get from MJ....

Until all drugs are legalized and the profit is taken out of their sale and distribution, they will fuel the kind of lawlessness and criminal activities that we see around them now.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 03/12/2008

The first time I tried Salvia, my thought was "Finally I found what I was l was looking for in a consciousness-exploring aid." That was about 7 years ago, and despite my appreciation of its effects, I could not get up the courage to try it more than a few times.

Also, I've always been a proponent of legalization, but it's wrong to think pot is without harmful effects. (I don't mean to suggest that as your belief, but I know it's some people's.) For example, recent research has tied pot smoking to gum disease. YMMV.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/12/2008

And yet, the most destructive drug of all, alcohol, is just groovy with them. Curious.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 03/12/2008

Big Pharm, Big Tobacco, and Big Alcohol, and the Prison lobby all love the drug war, and they really don't care how many people they harm. Of course all of this intrusion into the private harmless behavior of adults is couched in the language of 'saving children's lives'. How special. Baby Jesus smiles every time a drug user gets sent to prison, eh Red-Staters? Like Pot, you'll have a very hard time finding any evidence of someone actually being harmed by Salvia use. It cracks me up that Pot is supposed to be this Evil "gateway drug" but that the 2 most deadly drugs known to humanity --alcohol & tobbacco--are not considered in a similar manner. I smoked cigarettes and drank beer long before I ever smoked pot. Life in America is getting to be a joke. We are evolving into a more fearful, stupid, irrational authoritarian society with each passing day.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 03/12/2008

No more drug war.

www.drugtruth.net

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 03/12/2008

there is just a lot of misinformation here and a very misleading headline.....huffpost continues its decline!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 03/12/2008

politicians live so sheltered and immature lives, I can walk out my front door and buy queluedes, pot, and phetemenes right now and you know how far I have to go? Two doors down, drug illegalization is cultural stupidity and nothing else.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 03/11/2008

Legalize. Period.

Works for Amsterdam.

Oh, but it's really about the money. DEA, prison guards union, et al.

Did we forget that the Kennedys and the Rockafellers, et al made their money on illegal substance?

Politions aren't sheltered and immature, they are in it for the money. Period.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/11/2008

"Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality.""

No more far-fetched than claims made by religious people about god.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 03/11/2008

Cool. Soon I'll be able to buy it from street dealers instead of those creepy internet types.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 03/11/2008

The government needs to stop legislating everything under the sun. FIVE YEARS for possession??? The government plans on ruining people's lives for a 20 minute high. Such a prison term would be completely immoral.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 03/11/2008

By all means, lets put more kids in jail, the little bastards!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/11/2008

I think its all about putting the damn dirty hippies and their negro jail--The Drug War was Nixon's payback for the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam war protests. Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton all stepped up the Drug War for political gain. When its a slow News day there is always a scary drug story out there. Boo! Be afraid of Pot! Be afraid of Salvia! Be afraid of all forms of consciousness other than good old wakeful consensus reality. War is Peace. Slavery is Freedom. This is your brain on Drugs....yawwwnnn same old shit

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 03/12/2008

umm...your headline on the main page says that Saliva is the new pot.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 03/11/2008

No typo. If teenagers thought saliva would get them high, they'd be smoking it too.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/11/2008

You know that the original marijuana laws that are on the books were written based on lies told by William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn't want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

So, if we want to continue down the path of racism and lies, let's make this stuff illegal.

As for the kid from Delaware, some people just aren't smart enough to live, and that all there is to it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 03/11/2008

There is really no comparison between pot and salvia. I've smoked salvia on many occasions and had experiences I won't soon forget. If you do smoke the stuff at least film yourself when you do it, because you are truly out of your head while on it, which is a good thing. But it's really one of the craziest 10-20 minutes you'll ever know.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/11/2008

Just don't be one of those idiots that put the videos on youtube. If it weren't for them we might not be having this conversation. Thanks for nothing morons!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 03/11/2008

Agreed. Everyone of those idiots is exactly that: an idiot. This is a Shamanic drug and needs to be used in calm settings. There is Astral Travel involved with this, and the high needs to be taken seriously. Prohibition is a Progressive idea, the impetus came from progressive Wilsonians. Gov't intrusion into individual lives. Republicans and Democrats are the same beast, it's good cop and bad cop. If you don't realize this, you're part of the problem..................

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 03/12/2008

yup... divide and conquer

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 03/12/2008

Did people really put it them on youtube? And I don't think you can blame youtubers for overzealous politicians, can you? Were pot smokers to blame for marijuana becoming a class a drug along with heroin and the like?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 03/11/2008

Yes, and you can put a lot of blame on those people. That is where a lot of people have gotten the idea as well as all the evidence needed for politicians to criminalize it. However, as stupid as those videos are, if I were to post a video of me acting a complete fool while drunk suddenly it's not the same thing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 03/12/2008

Oh yeah by the way, all these Floridian politicians need to get a life. This ain't Reefer Madness and people aren't buying their bullshit. 5 years in prison for possession? These people have absolutely no souls.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

This is the kind of politician that needs to have their walking papers handed to them immediately. You save one child's life (which is a gross overstatement) while ruining the lives of countless others by sticking them in prison for 5 years? Good plan. Historically salvia (according to the article) has been linked to one kids suicide in Delaware... EVER, and I even doubt that it was as big of a factor as upbringing, psychology, and how they were treated socially.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 03/11/2008

Oh god no! There's no comparrison. No one I know will ever dare try Salvia more than the once they experimented with. That's not something recreational or even repeatable. Nothing could "replace" good ol' weed

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 03/11/2008

I used to follow a Salvia e-mail group, and one retired man there used Salvia at least several hundred times. Most people who try it do it only once, but not because it was a bad e