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Salvia: The Next Marijuana?

JESSICA GRESKO   03/11/08 08:26 PM ET   AP

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of Salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out!" and "stock up while you still can."

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, Salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects. Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

Salvia divinorum is not one of the several varieties of common ornamental garden plants known as Salvia.

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

Salvia's short-lasting effects and the fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality."

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.

It's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. Because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics.

A study of released last month by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services found just under 2 percent of people age 18 to 25 surveyed in 2006 reported using salvia in the past year. A 2007 survey of more than 1,500 San Diego State University students found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee unanimously passed the salvia bill on Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.

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08:41 PM on 03/12/2008
Well, there must be a pretty wide range of reactions to salvia because a few months ago I was feeling adventurous and decided to order some from what is probably the most prominent online source and... nothing. nada. zip. zero. zilch. Tried doing it like chewing tobacco, smoking it, following all the instructions -- and never felt a thing. (Yes I was disappointed :) I figured it was all a big hype of people just trying to make money off the fact that pot is illegal.

I guess if all these other people got some kind of intense high my conclusion may have been wrong, but you coulda fooled me.
12:10 AM on 03/13/2008
Either you did it wrong, were mistaken of our prominent source or you're a super hardhead because it's no joke or scam. I'm a super softie and it only takes a minute amount of extracts to have a very interesting experience.

By the way, Mr. Studebaker, while your post does have some merit you seem to be missing the point. There are varying levels of salvia shamanism. The hyperdrive speed to Mars you speak of is a level that a lot avoid after happening upon it. It can be very pleasant but not something that makes things funnier. It is for meditation, period.
06:39 PM on 03/12/2008
WTF?

Salvia is NOT pot. If pot is a blurry Saturday Afternoon in the Park, then Salvia is a blinking strobe light that propels you at hyperdrive speed to the surface of Mars. someone called it "a flaming rollercoaster". That's putting it mildly. It works by remapping your sensory input. It is NOT a recreational thing. You don't just knock back a corn dog and then puff some salvia thinking it will make SNL funnier. No. It doesn't work that way. Basically, "you go somewhere else", and it ain't here. The stuff makes DMT look mild and for happy making. Avoid Salvia unless you have VERY specific reasons to go there, like, you want to experience complete psychosis without going crazy.
04:17 PM on 03/12/2008
FWIW - I've already spoke to a couple people who have already bought and tried salvia since this article hit the wires.

I'm not sure what the point to the whole article was except the Florida bit but it seems that this article has done nothing but make salvia more desirable.

I wonder how much more business salviadragon (horrible vendor by the way) has gotten since this article has gone out.
03:04 PM on 03/12/2008
Headline translated to kidspeak:

"If you can't get any weed, smoke some Salvia instead."
03:45 PM on 03/12/2008
Ummm who can't get weed?
02:19 PM on 03/12/2008
Damnit
I thought it said saliva was the new marijuana and I was all psyched, because I have drool issues.
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01:02 PM on 03/12/2008
Asking if salvia is the next marijuana is like asking if crystal meth is the next coffee.
02:04 PM on 03/12/2008
Except that Salvia is entirely non-addictive, maybe even counter-addictive.

More realistic (compared to the completely unrealistic headline) would be to say that dextromethorphan (cough medicine) is the next marijuana.
02:31 PM on 03/12/2008
Yah, worst headline I have seen in a long time. My personal analogy would be:
"Fear that naked bungie jumping from 10,000 feet while juggling flaming spiked bowling balls to replace relaxing afternoon strolls."

The level of utter ingnorance in the headline is downright shameful. Ok, I was being way too nice with "ignorance", this is just plain old stupidity.

For those who care to know: the two drugs could not be more dissimilar.
In fact, Salivia is like NOTHING else I have ever tried. And I am rather 'experienced' (HEY! I think that's the first time I got to use that properly). In my misspent youth, I experimented with everything from pot, through hash and all the way into PCP, crack and the like. Nothing I am proud of, not waving a 'drug head' banner around, just stating my 'qualifications' so that others can weigh my opinion...I went into Salivia thinking I knew it all and then some. I had researched it and I had tried to either eat, smoke, snort or inject pretty much every other compound on the planet...and it utterly and completely knocked me on my wazoo. I had NO idea the human mind was capable of even anything close to that. If LSD is a car drive, this stuff is a flaming rollercoaster. It is insane. Please, please, PLEASE do not rely on asshats like the author above and do your research. If you go into it thinking you are gonna get a psuedo-pot high, the result could be very, very bad.
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11:32 AM on 03/12/2008
I thought Coleus was also one of these type of plants and it's freety sold in nurseries everywhere.
I'm told it has the same reaction that ya get from 'video head cleaner' aka butyl nitrate.
10:27 AM on 03/12/2008
Salvia's only similarity to Cannabis Hemp (Marijuana) is that they are both plants.
Cannabis is unique because it is a completely non-toxic medicine. It is the only cure for glaucoma, the only cure for asthma and the best anti nausea medication.. The Cannabis plant can be Earth’s main source of fuel, fiber, paper, and building materials. The Hemp seed is rich in amino acids and protein. The Cannabis flowers are powerful medicine and inspiration. This is just the tip of the iceberg and some of hundreds of reasons why Hemp will save the world
The drug war is a shame and to continue to ban plants is only going to increase crime. If you want to learn more check out Jack Herer’s The Emperor Wears No Clothes.
09:23 AM on 03/12/2008
>"Time is running out!" and "stock up while you still can."
That's just advertising. Marketers have been saying things like this at least since I first heard of Salvia about 7 years ago. Still, it's an honest message. Salvinorin-A is a quite stable and can be easily stored for many years. If it does become illegal, those who bought it will have it, and those who didn't will have to find a way to get it if they want.

>As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

They're talking about kids using it, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly adults using it, not for recreation but for self-exploration. Although Brandenburg feigns concern for kids, her bill will turn responsible parents into felons. Kids don't typically spend "up to five years in jail" for drug posession.

>"...no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive."

Indeed. Has anyone heard of anyone driving on Salvia? It's common knowledge that such an attempt would be suicide, so no one does it. Or if someone actually IS that stupid, then such a person would be dangerous with anything they do.

>"Native to Mexico and still grown there, Salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk."

That sentence is misleading. Traditional use was by eating the leaves. The smoking effects are a modern discovery.

I don't have time to rip apart this whole article. This one is typical, mostly misinformation meant to alarm the public.
10:57 AM on 03/12/2008
I tried it once myself and experienced falling spells and disorientation that were extremely unpleasant....I've never had any desire to try it again, and threw out all that I had.

Marijuana is a pleasant, controllable drug that I use frequently...and Salvia is NO substitute for the high I get from MJ....

Until all drugs are legalized and the profit is taken out of their sale and distribution, they will fuel the kind of lawlessness and criminal activities that we see around them now.
02:55 PM on 03/12/2008
The first time I tried Salvia, my thought was "Finally I found what I was l was looking for in a consciousness-exploring aid." That was about 7 years ago, and despite my appreciation of its effects, I could not get up the courage to try it more than a few times.

Also, I've always been a proponent of legalization, but it's wrong to think pot is without harmful effects. (I don't mean to suggest that as your belief, but I know it's some people's.) For example, recent research has tied pot smoking to gum disease. YMMV.
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07:01 AM on 03/12/2008
And yet, the most destructive drug of all, alcohol, is just groovy with them. Curious.
11:33 AM on 03/12/2008
Big Pharm, Big Tobacco, and Big Alcohol, and the Prison lobby all love the drug war, and they really don't care how many people they harm. Of course all of this intrusion into the private harmless behavior of adults is couched in the language of 'saving children's lives'. How special. Baby Jesus smiles every time a drug user gets sent to prison, eh Red-Staters? Like Pot, you'll have a very hard time finding any evidence of someone actually being harmed by Salvia use. It cracks me up that Pot is supposed to be this Evil "gateway drug" but that the 2 most deadly drugs known to humanity --alcohol & tobbacco--are not considered in a similar manner. I smoked cigarettes and drank beer long before I ever smoked pot. Life in America is getting to be a joke. We are evolving into a more fearful, stupid, irrational authoritarian society with each passing day.
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02:59 AM on 03/12/2008
No more drug war.

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01:00 AM on 03/12/2008
there is just a lot of misinformation here and a very misleading headline.....huffpost continues its decline!
11:31 PM on 03/11/2008
politicians live so sheltered and immature lives, I can walk out my front door and buy queluedes, pot, and phetemenes right now and you know how far I have to go? Two doors down, drug illegalization is cultural stupidity and nothing else.
11:54 PM on 03/11/2008
Legalize. Period.

Works for Amsterdam.

Oh, but it's really about the money. DEA, prison guards union, et al.

Did we forget that the Kennedys and the Rockafellers, et al made their money on illegal substance?

Politions aren't sheltered and immature, they are in it for the money. Period.
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11:24 PM on 03/11/2008
"Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality.""

No more far-fetched than claims made by religious people about god.
09:32 PM on 03/11/2008
Cool. Soon I'll be able to buy it from street dealers instead of those creepy internet types.