Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., walks between two American Flags to a news conference in Chicago, Wednesday, March 12, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

It's Back to Iowa, for Round 2

STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | March 12, 2008 05:51 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Not so fast, Pennsylvania. The next stop in the Democratic presidential race is ... Iowa.

Yes, Iowa.

Weeks before Pennsylvania holds its primary on April 22, states such as Iowa, Texas and Nevada will conduct the next round of voting in the multistep process of choosing delegates to the national convention this summer. Iowa, which first voted on Jan. 3, holds county conventions this weekend in familiar locales the candidates remember well, like Des Moines.

Welcome to the arcane world of the presidential caucus, where one day of voting is rarely enough to lock up national delegates and sometimes two rounds doesn't cut it, either. The party's system has both campaigns working to keep, and perhaps gain, delegates who have already been claimed in the early voting states.

At stake: 248 delegates in 10 states, more than enough to shift the balance of the entire race. The Associated Press has awarded 138 of those delegates to Sen. Barack Obama, who has fared well in caucus states. Ninety-six went to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and 14 went to John Edwards, who has suspended his campaign.

Most years, the complexities of party caucuses don't generate much interest after the campaigns have moved on.

"This year, they will be fighting over every delegate," said Norm Sterzenbach, political director of the Iowa Democratic Party.

Obama leads Clinton in the race for national delegates, 1,602 to 1,497. But much of Obama's lead is built on delegates won in caucus states _ delegates who are not yet guaranteed to remain his. Here's why:

Most primaries and some caucuses are binding, meaning that national delegates won by the candidates must pledge to support them at the national convention this summer. Some high-profile caucuses, however, are just the beginning of a multilayer process of selecting delegates to the national convention in Denver in August.

In Iowa, precinct caucuses were held Jan. 3 to select delegates to county conventions this weekend. The county conventions will select delegates to congressional district conventions in April and the state convention in June.

National delegates are elected at the congressional district and state conventions _ the third step of the process. If all the delegates for each candidate show up at every step, the national delegates awarded Jan. 3 will remain unchanged.

But if one side is unable to rally its supporters at any step along the way, it risks losing national delegates.

Obama won the Iowa caucuses in January, picking up 16 national delegates. Clinton came in third, winning 15. Under Iowa's quirky system, Clinton won one more delegate than Edwards, even though Edwards got the second most votes.

Edwards' delegates _ and the chance to win them over _ will add intrigue to the Iowa conventions.

"Absolutely they're fair game," said Karen Hicks, a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign. "We are reaching out to a lot of them, trying to persuade them to join our team."

Both campaigns have been working behind the scenes in Iowa for several weeks, rallying supporters to attend the conventions on Saturday.

"We are doing what we can to make sure we hold onto all the Obama folks," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

Iowa's caucus system is similar to those in other states, though there are critical differences.

In some states, like Colorado and Nevada, no national delegate is officially pledged to a presidential candidate at the initial caucuses. In other states, like Hawaii and Washington, some delegates are pledged at the initial caucuses, while others are not pledged until the state convention.

Other caucus states with delegates still in play are Alaska, Nebraska, North Dakota, Texas and Wyoming.

Iowa Democrats are preparing for big crowds on Saturday, which is probably a good idea after what happened at a county convention in Nevada last month.

The Clark County convention in Las Vegas devolved into chaos when a huge turnout overwhelmed party leaders and forced them to shut down the convention before completing the vote.

An estimated 10,000 people showed up for the convention, about 2,000 more than organizers expected. Rowdy crowds filled the ballroom to capacity and forced casino staff to close the doors early, leaving hundreds of delegates outside.

After conferring with the campaigns, party leaders rescheduled the convention for April 12, when they plan to extend voting over 11 hours to keep the crowds down.

"It's something that Nevada had never seen before," said Kirsten Searer, a spokeswoman for the Nevada Democrats. "In a lot of ways it's a good problem to have because, obviously, people are connected to these candidates. But it's hard to plan for something like this."


 
 

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- Kally See Profile I'm a Fan of Kally

Even tho it takes a while, I have filed a freedom of information request. I want to see the names of the students who came in at the last minute and signed to vote. Then I am going to get Illinois - thru the information act to verify the names. Any student who voted twice I want a lawsuit against. I did not ask for any information about who they voted for, just the name and IF THEY VOTED. Then to be checked for a revote. THAT'S A FEDERAL OFFENSE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 03/13/2008
- ObamaSeeChange See Profile I'm a Fan of ObamaSeeChange

I hope the Obama campaign is watching their caucus chickens cause Hillary wolves like you will steal any delegate not nailed down. As your post proves there is nothing you or your candidate won't do to steal what you failed to earn!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 03/13/2008
- quetzalfan See Profile I'm a Fan of quetzalfan

I've do the same for Ohio with the Cleveland Plains dealer reporting that 15,000+ republicans voted in the Democratic Primary. That's illegal in Ohio, and the AG has already indicated a willingness to prosecute. Gee, I wonder if many of those were following Limbaugh's advice to vote for HIllary because Barack will be tougher to beat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 03/13/2008
- nellie See Profile I'm a Fan of nellie

It's still close.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 03/13/2008
- VivaZapata See Profile I'm a Fan of VivaZapata

As an Edwards' supporter who is now in the Obama camp, I find it hard to believe that any of his supporters could ever go with Clinton, even if he endorsed her, which, for his own good, I doubt would happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 03/13/2008
- December7 See Profile I'm a Fan of December7

America needs to learn how to elect their leaders, one single election day, across the board. Is that so hard to grasp?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 03/13/2008
- Seattlelite See Profile I'm a Fan of Seattlelite

Totally agree, no wonder these elections end up in court. A one day primary, and for gods sake have some consistency, pick one, caucus or a primary. That election in TX where there was both how crazy is that. In my state they sent ballots in the mail but they didn't count you had to caucus so what was the point of the mail in ballot? It was reported that thousands of those ballots were mailed people thinking they voted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 03/13/2008
- demyellowdog See Profile I'm a Fan of demyellowdog

Completely agree, December7. Primaries across the nation should all be held on the same day, and it should be a Saturday (as should election day). This would put an end to all the nonsense happening in MI and FL and all the states fighting to be first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/13/2008
- Momenta See Profile I'm a Fan of Momenta

Why is it again that Iowa gets to say they are first, if in fact they are now about 45th if you count the Democrats Abroad Global Primary and we still don't know the outcome? Let's get rid of this first in the nation nonsense with all the media attention and income for the state and adopt a process that makes sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 03/13/2008
- mcfried See Profile I'm a Fan of mcfried

Agreed this process is nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 03/13/2008
- VivaZapata See Profile I'm a Fan of VivaZapata

yeah, really nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 03/13/2008
- gappedtoothgodwarrior See Profile I'm a Fan of gappedtoothgodwarrior

That's federalism for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 03/13/2008
- Dazedandamazed See Profile I'm a Fan of Dazedandamazed

A leader is someone who stands up to protect those who cannot protect themselves no matter if it is popular or not. Name for me one time that Obama has stood up for anyone who did not advance his career? Show me one time when he could make a difference that he stood up and did what was right even if it cost him personal popularity. Sorry I have searched his record and I cannot find one instance of him taking a hard stand because it was right, not because it was popular. Show me when he laid it all out there for those who could not defend themselves. He has never done that and that is why his change is nothing more than an empty promise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 03/12/2008
- FreedomLoverX See Profile I'm a Fan of FreedomLoverX

I guess you haven't examined his senatorial record - all the bills he initiated for Katrina victims - Hillary initiated none.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 03/13/2008
- DisinterestedOutsider See Profile I'm a Fan of DisinterestedOutsider

Dazedandamazed said: "Show me one time when he could make a difference that he stood up and did what was right even if it cost him personal popularity. Sorry I have searched his record and I cannot find one instance of him taking a hard stand because it was right, not because it was popular. Show me when he laid it all out there for those who could not defend themselves."

Here's one: In 2002, while in the minority party of the Illinois State legislature he pushed for mandatory taping of interrogations and confessions in capital cases. It was opposed by police, prosecutors, most of the senate and the governor, who said it would impede investigators. Needless to say, fighting an uphill battle against your colleagues, political opponents and the entire law enforcement community in support on the rights of suspected killers is not popular and could well end a political career.

When Obama got finished working with all the involved parties on the legislation, both the police and the prosecutors endorsed the bill, and it passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 58-0. The governor reversed himself and signed it and Illinois became the first state to require such tapings.

Does that fit your criteria?


BTW, during his 2004 US Senate bid, he received the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police - after also passing legislation that required police to record the race of drivers they stopped to monitor racial profiling; opposing additional penalties for gang affiliation on a number of issues because of its unfair application to people of color; and co-sponsoring comprehensive reform of the death penalty system in Illinois - not typically positions that would endear a politician to police. I find that rather impressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 03/13/2008
- nellie See Profile I'm a Fan of nellie

Thanks for reminding us of this part of his record. This indicates the kind of president Obama would be. Obama supporters are voting for him FOR REASONS. One of my reasons is that he's a constitutional scholar. I love the idea of the president, whose job is to uphold the constitution, being a constitutional scholar.

Obama supporters are exactly the opposite of the blind followers we're accused of being. I'm still waiting for this kind of fact-based support from Clinton supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 03/13/2008
- getitrighthistime See Profile I'm a Fan of getitrighthistime

Check his record in Illinois. Unlike Clinton he was a public interest attorney (not a corporate one). He helped Ill get rid of the death penalty, he helped low income people get access to affordable housing; after college he worked as a community organizer making very little money but helping lots of people.

My question to you dazedandamazed: What has HRC done that wasn't policitically motivated?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 03/13/2008
- KDH See Profile I'm a Fan of KDH

Were is your proof that Hillary was only politically motivated? You are only repeating hear say, innuendo, gossip, and rumor, that was started years ago, by the GOP spin masters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 03/13/2008
- mesuki See Profile I'm a Fan of mesuki

I would still take my chances and vote for him and not Hillary(at least he's mentally stable) . That woman has got some serious mental issues she needs to deal with before she's fit to be president. We have 2 nuts running the whitehouse now and look where it's gotten us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 03/13/2008
- democrattotheend See Profile I'm a Fan of democrattotheend

Opposing the war was not exactly popular in 2002. Even John Kerry, who was a decorated war veteran with a history of being a powerful anti-war advocate, didn't feel that he could vote against the war and still run for president. Being anti-war is popular now, but it wasn't back then, and Obama took a courageous stand opposing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 03/13/2008
- RISEUPAMERICA See Profile I'm a Fan of RISEUPAMERICA

he was at a rally of anti war supporters........hardly a risk making those statements

i wonder what they would have said if he had stood their and said i am against the iraq war
but now........Afghanistan is another story

let's examine his voting record: he voted to not set a time table to bring our troops home
he has numerously voted to pay for this war

he has publicly in a debate stated he would invade and bomb "pock-e-ston" that Afghanistan is where we should be waging this war.

Take a long hard look at who's hoodwinking you

here's a really good read: http://www.rense.com/general81/collar.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 03/13/2008
- Dazedandamazed See Profile I'm a Fan of Dazedandamazed

Okay He has never gotten better than a 60% rating from the humane society of america. He does not have pets. Hillary has never gotten less than an 87% and usually gets 100% from the humane society. Sorry but how you treat animals says a lot about you as a person. It says a lot about your morals well guess what I won't support someone who gets a failing grade from a group thats only purpose is to see that animals are not abuse neglected or mistreated by their masters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 03/12/2008
- newpantaloons See Profile I'm a Fan of newpantaloons

I LOVE animals also, but to argue that we should pick our presidential candidates from the humane society is ridiculous! AND a 60% grade is NOT a failing grade. I agree that how you TREAT animals says a lot about you as a person, but there is nothing to indicate that he has EVER MIS-treated animals, but there is every indication that he has looked after the rights of humans in an extraordinary way. I am sure, if you looked into it, he would ALSO be AGAINST the MIS-treatment of animals.

By the way, this is not a snark and I applaud your belief in the ethical treatment of animals! More people in our society need to know that animals are feeling, caring, loving, and beautiful creatures and should be appreciated and cared for with love and attention. BUT, we need to pick our elected representatives with a slightly different angle of view. If you feel HC is a better person, then you should vote for her, but to consider that someone who is FOR BO is an animal hater or abuser is just not putting the thought in this process that it requires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 03/13/2008
- butchie65 See Profile I'm a Fan of butchie65

Hillary is such a dog lover, her dog ran in the road and got killed.That was Bill's best friend in the White House, aside from Monica. The dog didn't even want to live with her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/13/2008
- rinpochet See Profile I'm a Fan of rinpochet

Did you mean that to be a hilariously ridiculous post or were you just lucky?

So now we should select our candidates on their ratings by the Humane Society????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 03/13/2008
- mesuki See Profile I'm a Fan of mesuki

Seems like you 've got some issues too! if you are voting for Hillary based on the ratings of the humane society or because she has a pet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 03/13/2008
- ChiGuy See Profile I'm a Fan of ChiGuy

Wow. The desperation is palpable.

So, the inhumane cruelty of "sliming" (gutting) living creatures like fish is OK with you?? LOL!!!

Vote for Obama!! Because he has never gutted a fish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 03/13/2008
- RISEUPAMERICA See Profile I'm a Fan of RISEUPAMERICA

Hazmaq.........your trying to "hoodwink" us "bamboozle us" " okie doke" ( we see obama's comments such as these as playing a racial card)

and as far as Iowa goes, I am a delegate here and talk to many others in my district, and let's just say
this.......it's looking pretty damn good for Clinton to come out gaining more delegates... many of us have
sat back and watched our candidate Barack Obama these last few weeks and are not at all happy with his
arrogance and the way his campaign has also become equally as arrogant. We don't believe that Race has a place in this election but it increasingly clear to atleast our district that it is Obama's Campaign bringing race into it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 03/12/2008
- raskolnikov72 See Profile I'm a Fan of raskolnikov72

Hey, you would not happen to be posing would you? I've checked a number of the posts you've made and they're all pro-Hillary. That would not mean you could just be lying could it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/13/2008
- rinpochet See Profile I'm a Fan of rinpochet

Bill, Ferrro, and Hillary brought race into this. Obama has been attempting to NOT run as a black candidate but the Rovian Hillary knows that the only way she can win is to bring out the race card.

And you Clinton supporters are so gullible. Have you ever tried fact checking or would you rather just believe everything that is handed to you? It makes it obvious that when they say the less educated support Hillary, they are absolutely correct!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 03/13/2008
- Susan1968 See Profile I'm a Fan of Susan1968

Rise up America... cool!

Hillary 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 03/13/2008
- democrattotheend See Profile I'm a Fan of democrattotheend

You caucused for Obama and were elected as an Obama delegate, but you plan to vote for Clinton in the next round? Isn't that kind of dishonest?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 03/13/2008
- RISEUPAMERICA See Profile I'm a Fan of RISEUPAMERICA

ok i will confess the truth is i am a delegate and i can't stand obama
will never vote for him.

and when i am at convention on saturday and when i get to the district convention and so on i will be gathering all the obama delegates to switch their pledges.

I am so heavily armed with printed material to share with them :D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 03/13/2008
- Susan1968 See Profile I'm a Fan of Susan1968

Not dishonest -- that's the rules.

And it's the downside of caucuses.

read above article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 03/13/2008