Obama Expected To Make Gains In California Pledged Delegates

Obama Expected To Make Gains In California Pledged Delegates

Wall Street Journal   |   March 13, 2008 12:10 AM


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A little-noticed shift in the tally of California's Democratic delegates may affect the primary between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton as much as the heavily hyped results last Tuesday in Ohio, Texas, Vermont and Rhode Island.

Sen. Clinton won primaries in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island, while Sen. Obama won the Vermont primary and appears likely to win the Texas caucus. For the day, Sen. Clinton is likely to trim fewer than 10 delegates from Sen. Obama's lead in the race for the Democratic nomination, which by most counts stands at about 100 delegates.


 
 

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I find it frustrating that the media has not followed up with the voting problems in New York City? The fact that certain places gave Obama not a single vote should have produced some word to at least make us feel that it is still being looked into! Seeing how slight changes in a vote can effect things in California, I imagine that it could be the same in Gotham.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 03/13/2008

AMEN, bluecoyote! It reminded me of what happened in OH in 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 03/13/2008

This development is as hilarious as it is encouraging. Hillary netted nothing on mini-super tuesday, even when you factor in her popular-vote edge in Ohio. Obama has completely pwned her in delgates for, oh, about the last 15-20 states. Sweet justice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 03/13/2008

Where's the lead story in the preview?

OH, and they repeat the falsity that hillary Jonestown won theTexas primary.
OBAMA won MORE delegates from the combined process. It is DELEGATES that decide the nomination. Obama WON more delegates, so Obama won Texas.

Can't anybody on the WSJ count?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 03/13/2008

YEAH - BUT IT GOES BACK AND FORTH - CLINTON ERASED OBAMA's MISS GAINS...IF MICH & FLA WERE COUNTED, she'd already be WAY past OBAMA...from the AP:


(AP) " Sen. Barack Obama picked up five more delegates than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in Mississippi's Democratic primary Tuesday.

But Clinton erased the gain Wednesday after final election results became available from a couple of Super Tuesday contests. In Mississippi, Obama won 19 delegates and Clinton 14, according to an analysis of returns by The Associated Press.....Clinton was able to hold down Obama's delegate gains by winning one of the state's four congressional districts. .....Clinton eliminated the gain when she picked up delegates based on final results from the New York primary and the Colorado caucuses....by gaining 4 delegates in Colorado and 1 delegate in New York.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/13/2008

FL and MI will either have revotes or they will not be seated at the convention. PERIOD! I don't know about FL, but I'm willing to bet that Michigan will easily go to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 03/13/2008

Florida and Michigan haven't held primaries yet. How can they be counted? That's like saying, if PA were counted, Clinton would be ahead. PA hasn't voted yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 03/13/2008

Where on earth have you been? They were in January. There was a RECORD turnout in Florida and all of the candidates were on Florida's ballot. Obama's had his name taken from the Michigan ballot, so uncommitted votes were only 30+%. HOWARD DEAN has caused this mess and it has only hurt Hillary. These two states have been discriminated against in the worst way, and the ONLY fair solution will be new primaries, not caucuses (where Clinton supporters are bullied) and not mail-in ballots - but full primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 03/13/2008

Please explain how caucuses are any more unfair to one candidate than to the other(s)?

When you say that Clinton supporters are 'bullied' at caucuses, I have two responses:

1. Prove it - just saying it happened is not proof. Cite some evidence.
2. Bully them back if it's true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 03/13/2008

But more Republicans voted in the record turnout, it was not a record turnout for democrats. Florida was 1 of 2 states so far in these primaries that has less of a turnout for Democrats than republcans. Hilary can win this if she can get democrats to stay home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 03/13/2008

Do we know what happened in New York? Did he get more delegates from there too? I read there were voting irregularities but I never heard anything after that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 03/13/2008


The irregularities I heard about were obvious cases of mass voter fraud

but would have to be investigated at the request of the state's Democratic

Election Chairperson who was obviously prepared to accept it as it was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 03/13/2008

Why are the DEMS fighting? Neither of the candidates will be good for us. We let the good candidates go already. However, Obama is the lesser evil. Many years of the Clinton's, their scandals, etc.
I have had enough - no more Clinton's regardless. She says the very opposite of what she voted on,
usually on the side of the GOP. This way the GOP won't lose their power, either with McCain or with
Hillary. I am truly sick of her bickering and Obama having to defend himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/13/2008

Television media picked our candidates for us. They had already decided that Clinton was the nominee, and Barack was a curiosity to the press because he was a black candidate. So the two of them got coverage when the more seasoned candidates were ignored. Fortunately for us, both Clinton and Obama are more than capable of handling the presidency.

That said, we are in dire need of media reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 03/13/2008


I say we put Keith Olbermann in charge of a new Fairness Commission

where he gets equal time for anything he decides is blatant propaganda.

Give him a sufficient staff to cover local press in each state which he can

fire & hire articulate people, based on their ability to speak truth to power.

If Faux didn't adapt, KO would be on their show often, and on their nickle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/13/2008

Really? Not if they see this video.

Obama's spiritual leader wants to destroy America.

Well maybe Obamdiots and Olberman should watch this video from ABC News.


http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230

Now will Olberman make his 'state of his union with Obama speech' and what is he going to say?

Obama should apologize to all Americans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/13/2008



olberman/blabberman/liarman should get the hell off tv.............

he is the biggest waste of matter out there...................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 03/13/2008


If the truth hurts so much, maybe it is the little voice inside you saying

that your outward opinions are full of shit and very unchristian as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 03/13/2008

For clarity, here's the link on Obama's tax returns:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070416obama-tax,0,445005.story

HuffPo doesn't seem to recognize commas in an address, so it doesn't work as a hot link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 03/13/2008

Okay, the reply button isn't working. The link is in a reply to Susan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 03/13/2008

Cut and past the link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 03/13/2008

Cut and paste the link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 03/13/2008

I heard last night that Clinton added 5 delegates after NY and another state shook out. Where's that story?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/13/2008

Are the overall numbers ever calculated in error to Obama's benefit? Just asking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 03/13/2008

With all the dirty math, racial slurs, loud-mouth feministas, etc, I'm an Indie ready for McCain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 03/13/2008

amen longisland...who in their right mind would want the monster in charge of ANYTHING...

leave her in the senate with her little lib buds.....wait most of them are going with obammy,........

let her stagnate there......................
obammy needs to spend more time there too...he isnt ready for the RED PHONE YET and hillary never will be...

bring on the old white man to save us from these two creeps......................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 03/13/2008


Obviously a comment from a racist redneck who knows nothing

about democracy, liberalism or patriotism to American values.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 03/13/2008

HRC did her senior"hidden but not really " thesis on Saul Alinsky who was a community organizer and radical whom she knew.. He's an interesting guy . I think she really lives by this rule book. Here are Alinsky's rules for radicals. sound familiar?

"Personalize it"

Saul Alinsky's rules of power tactics, excerpted from his 1971 book "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals"

1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people.

3. Whenever possible go outside the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. Maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 AM on 03/13/2008

Hi snowcat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 03/13/2008

mornin, Nohat!

It's disconcerting to see the Morning Joe folks basically slamming Keith for his comment. they keep harping on the David Duke reference but not the pattern of abuse from the HRC camp. Hillary also has many surrogates out blaming Obama from putting it in the race which is a ridiculous defense! I fear no one is ever going to be allowed to simply say that Hillary is not a nice person and she is happy to marginalize, disenfranchise and just plain wreck people's lives to get what she wants. There are many capable, brilliant women and men out there who can better govern than she ever could. She is LUCKY to be who she is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 03/13/2008

Disconcerting?

He was appalling.

But what else is new.

Rush......on TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 03/13/2008

Absolutely correct. Whether it's PC or not, Senator Clinton is riding her husband's coattails just as Shrub rode Papa's. It's rule #1 in politics. I loved Keith's Special Comment, especially the David Duke reference, because it's the God's Honest Truth. Geraldine Ferraro is an insignificant neaderthal who has learned nothing the past 20 yrs. Her comments are an affront to anyone who considers him/herself to be a progressive. Hillary Clinton is too afraid of alienating the OG feminists to do the right thing. She sold her soul to the Devil a long time ago and her "inevitable" nomination isn't panning out as she planned. As an OG feminist with a conscience, I saw through her delusion and never supported her candidacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 03/13/2008

Of course, did any of us expect anything else? We can surmise that they've been directed by the bosses at MSNBC to counteract everything that Keith said last night. It's their way of showing "balance" and not further antagonizing the Clinton gang.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 03/13/2008

What about the NY Primary, will Obama gain delegates from the districts where there was evidence of fraud?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 03/13/2008



fraud in NY..................are you serious...

didnt herself clean that up.....??????????

and how about those jobs in upstate ny....how many new ones were added people???

the woman is LIAR................cant say it enough....
she makes me puke just to look at her......................................god save us from this MONSTER....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 03/13/2008

Hi Silpat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 03/13/2008


Did you know that Obama only released his 2006 return.

Why should she show several years of returns when he's only shown one year of his own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 03/13/2008

she should show her returns because she is DIRTY......and she is the dirtiest when it comes to money...

two men in jail as i type for illegal/questionable campaign money......

what more stinking proof do you people need about this witch...

she will say and do anything to get a vote.........
she is contemptable.........................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 03/13/2008

Really? Obama's spiritual leader wants to destroy America.

This is bigger news

Well maybe Obamdiots and Olberman should watch this video from ABC News.


http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230

Now will Olberman make his 'state of his union with Obama speech' and what is he going to say?

Obama should apologize to all Americans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 03/13/2008

Fanning racial tensions why not., no point in talking about the issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/13/2008

Why then can't she just produce that? If you've got nothing to hide, then you hide nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 03/13/2008



you said it correctly moe.......................she has alot to hide and has been doing it for years....what she cant hide mysteriously DISAPPEARS and then she pulls out the I CANT REMEMBER bs.................

god save us from this MONSTER........................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/13/2008

As usual, Susan is wrong.