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First Posted: 03-14-08 10:13 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound eerily similar to Barack Obama's.

"I don't believe there is a school you can go to, to train to be commander-in-chief," Graham said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I think the qualities you are looking for would include, judgment, the willingness to surround yourself with strong people, listening to a diversity of ideas and then forming a conclusion. I think curiosity is important.

"If there had been a little more curiosity in the fall 2002 -- if the questions had been asked -- [it] would have raised a lot of suspicions," he said, referencing the Iraq war authorization vote. "I think you have to look to see whether those qualities exist. And if they do, you have reason to believe that the person who has those qualities would become an effective commander-in-chief."

Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee in the run up to Iraq, famously declared his war opposition after reading the National Intelligence Estimate, a document he thought did not make the case (and one that Sen. Hillary Clinton has acknowledged not reading). That aside, Graham noted that "experience" in and of itself was not a prerequisite for becoming leader of America's armed forces.

"If you look at recent presidents, certainly George W. Bush didn't have any commander-in-chief experience, neither had Bill Clinton," he said. "George H. W. Bush had served in the military. Reagan didn't serve in the military. Carter was an Annapolis graduate. He was probably as close to what you would consider prepared to be commander-in-chief of the recent presidents."

The Florida Democrat was less hesitant to weigh in on the other major campaign issue of the day -- what to do about Florida's delegates -- in part because he simply didn't have the magic bullet to resolve the crisis. But he did offer some detailed analysis and colorful metaphors.

On Florida's decision to move up its primary and the DNC's retaliation of stripping the state of its delegates:

"This was like a bank robbery. The Republicans [who controlled the legislature and governor's chair and pushed to move up the primary] were in the vault, putting their money in the bags. The Democrats were in the car out on the street, ready to drive the bank robbers away after the heist. The bank robbers in the vault got a light tap on the wrist [from the RNC] and we got a chainsaw that took off our right arm."

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On what to do to get those delegates counted at the convention:

"Our options are not many and none of them are very good. There has been a lot of interest in maybe a mail-in ballot because it is not inexpensive. But apparently there are a lot of legal problems with doing a mail-in ballot [Florida's entire House delegation opposes the idea as well]... The other two options are to try and run a full scale primary, which will be very expensive and difficult because many counties use this period in the spring and summer to switch out machinery and a number of counties say they can't physically put on an election... The third is to have a caucus, but that has never been our tradition, and it doesn't seem to have gotten much lift."

So what should be done?

"We are in a real mess. If Michigan and Florida are sufficiently teed off as a result of it, then it changes enough votes to put them in the Republican column. That represents about 45 or so electoral votes, which would be more than the margin of victory in most recent presidential elections. So it is a very bad place for Democrats. We are waiting for the Huffington Post to give us a creative option."

Um... Don't hold your breath.

Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound...
Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound...
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- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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Why did Reverend Wright have to take a perfectly sane yound man called Obama and make him a Christian?

Why?

I think I'm against Reverend Wright now. Cancel my earlier endorsement of him. But, I still like some of what the Rev says. It makes me think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I think he was already a Christian before he got to that church Hume.... sorry..... the damage was done pretty much after Senator Obama was born.... as far as I know...........heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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"The title of Senator and Presidential candidate Barack Obama's book The Audacity of Hope was taken from a sermon written by Wright.[4] It was under Wright's influence that Obama became a practising Christian:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright
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Thou shalt not doubteth Wiki.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 03/15/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

I tell you, I am a Christian. But not a Neocon Christian. You aren't tarring us all with the Neocon brush, are you? I ask because why else would you object? I am curious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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No. Also, not all NeoCons are Christians.

NoeConism has nothing to do with religion. Ignorance does.

I don't object to religion. I just pity all religious people. I have a lot of compassion for them, even though their ignorance is often self-imposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 03/15/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Sitting on both sides of the fence there Hume ? One time you call him a Muslim then now he is a Christian. Which is it ? The same ones that kept calling him a Muslim, now call him a Christian. Must be some of Hillary's clan on here. I don't think you know who you are yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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Have you lost your mind? When did I call him a Muslim?

But, frankly, I matters little to me what kind of sky God he believes in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 03/15/2008
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My solution to the problem is the least expensive of all - just seat the delegates. In Michigan all the candidates names were not on the ballot, so that would disqualify them. In Florida, the names were there, our party held an election, and the voters showed up. So those votes should count. There shouldn't be a re-vote because the votes would change, and no one else in the nation got a chance to change their vote. Can Iowa change their vote too, now? Wouldn't lots of people say, oh I would vote differently now that I had to do it over again? You can't change your vote. I'm in Florida. We already voted. Just count the votes.

There's a national organization and state organizations. State organizations have a right to make decisions on behalf of their state. Florida held an election. Now it's up to the national organization to either recognize it or not recognize it. There is no in-between. Those are the choices.

If Floridians expected their vote NOT to count, then they wouldn't have bothered to come out and vote. So everyone saying the candidates agreed...yada yada is all bull. This is not the decision of the candidates. Florida made a decision. Florida said, we're having a primary. We voted. If those votes wouldn't count, then Florida lawmakers should have said right up front - the primary is cancelled. It would have caused a ruckus, but at least it would have been fair. No primary because your vote won't count. But that's not what happened. The fact that we were ALLOWED TO VOTE is an important point to consider. If we're told to vote, then we're voting and that vote should count. We all assumed the national leadership would come around and change their mind and seat our delegates. If they still decided not to, then oh well we tried, we voted, we did our job.

Now let the national leadership do their job and seat our delegates. Otherwise shut up about it, count what delegates there are in other states, and let the chips fall where they may come November. If Floridians don't vote in protest, so be it. Those are the breaks. If donation money is withheld from the national organization, so be it. Let all the chips fall. Because both the national org and the state org made their respective decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Maybe we should just enforce the rules that ALL candidates agreed to months before any votes were made. Novel idea, huh? Follow the rules? Now that's extreme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Rules! Now where would Hillary be if she actually followed the rules?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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Reverend Wright'08


Screw Obama and Hillary. I like the nutsy Rev.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Afternoon Hume.....

So who would your choice of VP be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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I don't think you can write-in a VP. If I had to choose: Noam Chomsky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/15/2008

But Graham, Obama did not and I repeat DID NOT HAVE A VOTE!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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But he made, and I repeat, made the right call. That's what is important.

And just look at Hillary. She not only showed bad judgment then, but repeatedly afterwards, with the Levin Amendment and the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.

Actually, I take it back. She didn't necessarily make mistakes. It is just that she has been consistently pro-NeoCon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

An unfortunate twist of fate since obviously opposed the Resolution based on his very public comments about it. The other remarkable part about the "speech that didn't count" was his uncannily prescient (that's "remarkably far-seeing" for you Trolls out there) listing of the consequences of the war. Perhaps, my good friend munster, you would like to read the speech.

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

I absolutely refuse to vote for Rev. Wright for POTUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 03/15/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 353 fans permalink
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I absolutely refuse to vote for Rev. Wright for POTUS.

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LOL ............ is he a candidate now?!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Apparently. He is getting more coverage than the candidates themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

It also appears that Geraldine Ferraro and Rev. Hagee are running as well.

Much ado about nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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As do I.... he might bring about the apocalypse with his words!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/15/2008

I'm so glad so many of you see the great threat that Senator Obama and Pastor Wright pose to America. Personally John and I find these "fiery remarks" and the tasteless use of foul language a proof that not only does Pastor W. hate America, but so does Senator O! What bothers us is that they don't see the great adventure and romance that GOING TO WAR can be. Their anger is NOT OKAY! Please join us in thanking MSM for getting to the truth about Obama and this traitorous(We don't care if he was a Marine) Pastor.Looking forward to the fun in Iran—

P.S. Feel free to cut and paste. Without your support we could never have braught you Iraq.

Dear Media: Thank you for your part in creating PASTOR-gate. Our fight against the insurgent forces of Obama and his ranting Pastor will not be easy. But with your help, we can do it.

Thanks again,

The Clinton-McCain Campaign

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Yeah, that Obama, he's always screaming those anti-American diatribes at the top of his lungs. Glad we exposed him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 03/15/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

I really don't think Obama hates America. I think Obama loves America. I will wager even J. Wright loves America---his words about damning America must be taken in context. Not that it was pretty and not that it wasn't a bit shocking for a pastor to say it. Here's something, don't know if it's true: I heard on tv that that video Fox has been showing has been spliced. Parts missing, and other parts running together that shouldn't be. Anyway, Obama loves America, I know he does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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I absolutely refuse to vote for Rev. Wright for POTUS.-Dragon5616
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I don't know about that. If the Reverend drops his belief in God and Jesus, I might write his name on the ballot. Except for that AIDS thing, I find that the nutsy Rev is not all that nutsy. He makes sense in many respects.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

Shhhhhh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 03/15/2008
- ruddie I'm a Fan of ruddie 16 fans permalink

Maybe a public exorcism of all the Bushies would do this nation some good.
Ol' Dubya the 'oil man', Jeb, that great Fl. Gov... and of course the unmentionable Neal.
God, what a family. Men to be proud of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/15/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 353 fans permalink
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This is absolute nonsense, one day they accuse Obama of being Muslim, next day they accuse him of not being a good Christian, what is next?!

These are not the real issues and problems in this country.

Let's talk about real issues like Illegal Invasions, killing innocents and our troops, Economy, Health Care, Poverty, Corruption, and the list goes on and on.

Frankly, I don't care that much what the Paster said, what I care for is if these Candidates can change the Wrong direction our country has chosen, the rest is History.

And I do believe Obama is the only candidate who is capable of changing this country, of course we should remember the damage to this country is so huge, and the change won't happen over night, but it will.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 03/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1659 fans permalink
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I listened to the Pastor again. Other than being too religious for may taste, the nutsy Reveverend is actually not totally full of it. Much of what he says is true.

I think many are bothered by his "Goddamn America" thingy. I equate those peple with the Muslims who were offended by cartoons of their Prophet. Generally, that means people with low self esteem and a very shallow sense of patriotism.

This whole thing has and will continue to create problems for Obama. However, to me, it was brought on by Obama himself by emphasizing his faith and religion and making it a matter for public discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 03/15/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 344 fans permalink
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He really wasn't given much of a choice in the matter, Hume.

The sheer volume of lies perpetuated by Hillary backers, both affiliated with her actual organization, and rogue ones, have been spreading the "Obama is Muslim" bullsh**t for months now and he's forced to keep disputing it.

The Times' Peter Nicholas was observing Clinton's grassroots operation in the City of Brotherly Love when a man who had been making calls at a phone bank on her behalf walked over, unbidden, to explain what motivated him.

"I'm supporting Hillary because I love the Lord and I don't want a person named Al-Barack Hussein Obama to be our next president,'' he said.

Told that Barack Obama is a practicing member of the Christian faith, the man said he believed Clinton's rival to be Muslim.

He went on to say that Obama "would be detrimental to the church.''

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/rogue-clinton-w.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 03/15/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 353 fans permalink
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Yes, you're absolutely right to equate these people with the Muslims who were offended by cartoons of their Prophet, after all they're all the same, frankly looking at the history, there were always A religion behind all the catastrophes!

I do respect everyone's religion as long as it does not interfere with other subjects and specially with politics and how to run the country, church and state should be completely separate.

All I know is that I do NOT want to hear about this religion stuff any more, I just want to hear how each of these candidates (Excluding McBush) will take this country to the right direction and actually will stand for PEOPLE.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 03/15/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Hi, Hume, where y been all day? Did you see the new thread---it's at zero but not moving quite yet---about Hillary's backers threatening to withdraw their money if either the F and M delegates aren't seated or they don't hold new primaries? It begins. As for this one, I mean the topic, it's all over the place...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/15/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Those two are consistent, in fact one implies the other. That is, if he IS a muslim, he WOULDN'T be a good Christian.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/15/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 353 fans permalink
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....That is, if he IS a muslim, he WOULDN'T be a good Christian.

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Which part of the "I am NOT a Muslim" is hard to understand?!

And by the way, would you please explain what is the definition of being a good Christian?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 03/15/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 353 fans permalink
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General speaking if you are not a human being, then it really doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Jew or etc.

That's how I look at people, and that is my definition of being Good and Bad.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 03/15/2008
- marika I'm a Fan of marika 19 fans permalink

I would add the Cluster Bomb vote as well. There are also other votes but those two are defining moments.

I never want to vote again for a Bush or a Clinton! Enough of this political aristocracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 03/15/2008

Dear Senator Graham,
Here is a possible compromise solution to the Florida/Michigan conundrum:
1. The DNC should refuse to reinstate any superdelegates from either state since this punishes the politicians who actually had the power, influence, and knowledge to nip this problem in the bud last year and will make sure other states don't try to hold early primaries in the future. (Sorry if this strips you of your vote.)
2. The DNC should reinstate 100% of the pledged delegates from each state that manages to hold a new primary or caucus before the June 10 deadline. The allocation of delegates would be based on the new contests.
3. The DNC should reinstate 50% of the pledged delegates from each state that does not hold a new contest. The allocation of delegates would be based on the January primaries that these states held with the following modification: in Michigan, the 40% of the vote that was “Uncommitted” would be given to Obama on the assumption that he would have gotten most or all of those votes if his name had been on the Michigan ballot.
This plan respects two key principles: a) the DNC delegate selection rules need to be respected and b) new contests should be held in these states if possible so that voters in these states can have some influence on the nomination process.
While the DNC stripped these states of all their delegates when it punished them for scheduling early primaries that violated Rule 11.A of the DNC’s Delegate Selection Rules, Rules 20.C.1.a and 20.C.4 only mandated that the DNC strip the states of 50% of their pledged delegates and some specified superdelegates. The DNC used the discretion it had under Rule 20.C.5 to impose a more severe penalty but presumably still has the discretion to reduce that penalty back to the mandatory penalty or some penalty in between these two extremes.
If this plan were implemented and neither Florida nor Michigan were able to hold new elections, I estimate that Hillary Clinton would cut Obama's lead by about 25 delegates. Given that Obama currently has a pledged delegates lead of between 150 - 160, he can afford that reduction in his lead. While Clinton would obviously like to have the original primaries recognized and the superdelegates reinstated, getting 25 delegates is better than getting 0 which is what she currently has from these states. Also, even just counting the original January primaries 50% would strengthen her “Big State” argument since she could then claim to have won the legitimized primaries in both states. She could also then count the popular vote from these states in her total popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 03/15/2008

This is the best, most reasoned solution I have heard yet. Rberlind: do us a favor and please call/write, or email this smart solution to the feckless knuckleheads at the DNC, please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 03/15/2008
- Dragon5616 I'm a Fan of Dragon5616 16 fans permalink

How about this?

I, for one, am glad there is no controversy over FL and MI. Just think what would have happened if all the candidates hadn't agreed beforehand that those two states wouldn't count because they both broke the rules. Just think what a mess it would be if there hadn't been complete agreement among all the candidates. Something like that could have ripped the party apart.

Great foresight prevented a huge dispute. Thanks to the DNC for clearing everything up long before any votes were held, and thanks especially to Sens. Clinton and Obama for defusing that issue before it arose and for sticking to their commitments. I am so proud of our party. We made sure FL and MI wouldn't be a problem.

Now we can finish out the nominating process, and all states are on notice that they can't just make up their own rules. Good precedent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I am having problems with this thread.... things keep appearing and disapearing.... so if it takes me a moment to respond you will know why.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/15/2008
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The main thread on Obama and his church is entirely too vitriolic for me to even want to play there. Over 4,000 posts and it seems like half are full of hate and I just don't have the time to answer all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I know.... its completely awful!!!! There have been not many mains like that one.... I can not believe how many posts there are, and so many really long ones filled with hate.... amazing.... it really is.... I don't blame you at all.... I make a post or two... then I read some more... and I get so disgusted I have to stop, and I go through my email just to calm down... hahahaha..... never thought sifting through junk mail to get to the real stuff would be calming!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 03/15/2008

man it is scary how many ignorant folks there are out there.
check this link out. this is a clinton grass roots campaign worker. scary

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/rogue-clinton-w.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 03/15/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Hi, scandal, nice to see you, we are just starting to liven up, your being here will help. Keep an eye on the Hillary's Backers Threaten---thread, it isn't moving yet but it's brand new. It's nice to have two threads---what do you make of the news today? What news? Any news!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Oh! I do not know if you noticed... but the main thread is actually open for the most part.... it is only taking a few minutes for posts to show up.... whoever is doing the moderating is totally on the ball... : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 03/15/2008

which is the main thread?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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The one on the home page at the top.... The Obama and the Reverend story.... tiny story, no big deal... but from reading some of the posts... you would think the Senator eats babies for breakfast and worships satan..... then beats up old ladies on the way to the senate.... sheesh.... it is insane what some people are saying.... just awful, stupid things......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 03/15/2008
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There is no "main thread." There are different stories with comment sections devoted to THAT PARTICULAR STORY which you are supposed to discuss. New stories always start at the top for the most part if they are breaking stories. Please don't use these threads as your PERSONAL CHAT ROOM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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First of all.... who died and made you hall monitor?

Secondly.... Since you are obviously new here, the top story is always referred to as the "Main Thread".....has been for years.....

Third.... this isn't your site, so please refrain from telling people what they can and can not do here..... and we will discuss on the thread whatever we like........ if you don't like it... you can leave........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Having looked at your profile.... you are new here... and if you notice... this thread is over 24 hours old.... had it ever occurred to you that we discussed the topic to death, and moved on to other things in the dead of night......... Sorry you are late to the game...

Oh.... your off topic by the way.... hypocrite......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 03/15/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 353 fans permalink
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.........Please don't use these threads as your PERSONAL CHAT ROOM.

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Are you one of those "15 Real Humans" who have been monitoring these topics?!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 03/15/2008
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You seem to have a healthy dose of the conformity gene and I am sure you would prefer everyone was likewise made. Life is inconvenient isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 03/15/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 344 fans permalink
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That is the one thing about HuffPo that set it apart from the rest of the political blogs out there. The fast pace gave us a chance to see feedback within minutes, as I am to youright now.

Yes, it WAS like a slow moving chat room, and it WAS a blast to post here every day.

Now, with the screwy page numbering system and the failure of the "E-mail me any replies" checkbox, we can express an opinion, but never know how it was received by the rest of the posters.

That's the main reason that I don't come here nearly as often as I used to, and I'm finding out that I can live with that.

HuffPO is killing its own traffic in an effort to be just like every other politi-blog out there.

What a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 03/15/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROVE

-------Don Siegelman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 03/15/2008

Amen, brother. Rove is a cancer on this country. When he left the White House staff a year or so before the '08 election, I thought "Oh my God, what the devil is he up to!" The Republicans started naming Hillary the Democratic (actually just democrat) nominee immediately after '06 because she is so beatable, and this is obviously their attempt to make that happen. As a disenfranchised Florida voter myself, I am furious at the prospect that after eight years of incompetence and criminal action and deception, there is a distinct possibility that the Democratic answer will be a nominee who has been in lock step with Bush on every critical Iraq war vote. This country deserves a difference. We are wounded. We have nearly 4000 dead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 03/15/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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No,we don't make many plans for Sunday. He goes to the gym, comes home for late lunch, goes to sleep and later we watch a movie I've taped. I've had RA for over 20 years,so I'm not very moblie, but
life is great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 03/15/2008
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Sorry to hear about the RA, but happy to hear life is great!

So what is tonights movie? Funny how it is almost Sunday there now.... and it is just barely Saturday here... hehehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 03/15/2008
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It's 8:49 in the evening, Saturday. I've fogotten the name but it's a Jodie Foster revenge
flim.Bear in mind that movie are released much later here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 03/15/2008
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I don't know if you are watching CNN, but I am watching the storm damage in Atlanta... wow.... and more storms are coming through too.... I have lots of family and friends down there.... I am kinda worried about them....... I am sure the will be fine, but I am good at worrying... hehehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 03/15/2008
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I hope they will be fine too. Isn't it a bit early for lhis kind of weather. Mind you when the
earthquake hit GB,I was worried for my 85 year old father. When I could see and talk to
him by video phone,he said he thought he was dreaming that he was on a water bed. I
thought that was so funny. We only get earthquakes about once every 20 years there,here
it's sometimes once a week! I sceam like a banshee and tell it to stop making me angry. Ii
stops not long after that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 03/15/2008
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To Nochnoi, if you are still up. I just scrolled down pretty far to see if anyone was talking about the issues, and, alas, ran across your saying how you are more willing to apologize if you are in the wrong, but if you aren't in the wrong then you aren't willing. Fine. You were in the wrong---with me, with AdLib the day before, and with BGAE yesterday. I don't know if you apologized to them. But stop bragging about how willing you are to say you are sorry...when you are in the wrong.
I put this up here to get the most coverage,i.e. so that you see it. You hurt me yesterday, by asking if I REALLY support Obama. All because I don't think he's in the clear as far as the Nom goes. I also don't think he is Jesus. Have a great day. I will move on so that you can back to giving your version of events without the person prfesent to give his version. Lovely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 03/15/2008
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