Bob Graham: Iraq War Vote Was Commander In Chief Test

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First Posted: 03-14-08 10:13 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound eerily similar to Barack Obama's.

"I don't believe there is a school you can go to, to train to be commander-in-chief," Graham said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I think the qualities you are looking for would include, judgment, the willingness to surround yourself with strong people, listening to a diversity of ideas and then forming a conclusion. I think curiosity is important.

"If there had been a little more curiosity in the fall 2002 -- if the questions had been asked -- [it] would have raised a lot of suspicions," he said, referencing the Iraq war authorization vote. "I think you have to look to see whether those qualities exist. And if they do, you have reason to believe that the person who has those qualities would become an effective commander-in-chief."

Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee in the run up to Iraq, famously declared his war opposition after reading the National Intelligence Estimate, a document he thought did not make the case (and one that Sen. Hillary Clinton has acknowledged not reading). That aside, Graham noted that "experience" in and of itself was not a prerequisite for becoming leader of America's armed forces.

"If you look at recent presidents, certainly George W. Bush didn't have any commander-in-chief experience, neither had Bill Clinton," he said. "George H. W. Bush had served in the military. Reagan didn't serve in the military. Carter was an Annapolis graduate. He was probably as close to what you would consider prepared to be commander-in-chief of the recent presidents."

The Florida Democrat was less hesitant to weigh in on the other major campaign issue of the day -- what to do about Florida's delegates -- in part because he simply didn't have the magic bullet to resolve the crisis. But he did offer some detailed analysis and colorful metaphors.

On Florida's decision to move up its primary and the DNC's retaliation of stripping the state of its delegates:

"This was like a bank robbery. The Republicans [who controlled the legislature and governor's chair and pushed to move up the primary] were in the vault, putting their money in the bags. The Democrats were in the car out on the street, ready to drive the bank robbers away after the heist. The bank robbers in the vault got a light tap on the wrist [from the RNC] and we got a chainsaw that took off our right arm."

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On what to do to get those delegates counted at the convention:

"Our options are not many and none of them are very good. There has been a lot of interest in maybe a mail-in ballot because it is not inexpensive. But apparently there are a lot of legal problems with doing a mail-in ballot [Florida's entire House delegation opposes the idea as well]... The other two options are to try and run a full scale primary, which will be very expensive and difficult because many counties use this period in the spring and summer to switch out machinery and a number of counties say they can't physically put on an election... The third is to have a caucus, but that has never been our tradition, and it doesn't seem to have gotten much lift."

So what should be done?

"We are in a real mess. If Michigan and Florida are sufficiently teed off as a result of it, then it changes enough votes to put them in the Republican column. That represents about 45 or so electoral votes, which would be more than the margin of victory in most recent presidential elections. So it is a very bad place for Democrats. We are waiting for the Huffington Post to give us a creative option."

Um... Don't hold your breath.

Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound...
Former Sen. Bob Graham is staying neutral in the Democratic presidential race. But when it comes to defining the qualities that make a good commander-in-chief, he's espousing talking points that sound...
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- thirteen13 I'm a Fan of thirteen13 3 fans permalink

Make my day Florida, shut the hell up and vote Republican for president and let the Supreme Court decide, again. Don't rules, regulations and the law mean anything?

You might as well end our democracy once and for all. We are a Nation of laws and regulations designed to enrich the privilaged and deprive the needy. But hey, this is America, the prison capital of the world. The prison industry is big business in America.

The privilaged break the law and buy their freedom. The needy break the law and are imprisoned because they can't aford to buy their freedom.

Yea, old people and boat people, that's Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 03/14/2008

I take it you dont like Florida. Well good, thats one less person we have to worry about moving here and ruining the place!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Florida is swell..... You have Disney World.........

It is your record on holding elections that makes the rest of us worried...........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 03/14/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

I am not in danger of moving to Florida...I think when it comes to politics and dirty tricks, many of us don't like Florida. Otherwise...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 03/14/2008
- PlantGod72 I'm a Fan of PlantGod72 47 fans permalink
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Well, hhhmmmm....from a political perspective, it looks like you all have done a fine job of "ruining" it yourselves!

Congratulations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 03/14/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

htown419... what a laugh. Everyone I know has moved out of Florida. It's a miserable sweat hole with very dishonest, backward politics. Stop making noise nationally and clean up your elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/14/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Was there and left - Jeb and Company (Harris et al) scared me away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 03/14/2008

i love miami, i was born and raised here. but i will admit has evolved into something resembling a third world country (i have lived in the third world).
but i am still here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/14/2008

hillary is saying she was smart for leaving her name on the michigan ballot and that she should get the delegates.
i guess being a liar is her test for being ready to be c-in-c.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Sick.... isn't it...... They all agreed to take their names off the ballot.... but she leaves her name on it, obviously so she could exactly what she is doing now....

I, for one, do not want a liar and a cheater to be my President at all.... been there, done that..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 03/14/2008

If what you say is true, she's a pretty smart cookie I say. Maybe we need someone like her that can forecast the future. To be able to anticipate the future is a shows great foresight, no? Just like Obama. He's been gunning for the Presidency since he was a child I hear. So much so that he hasn't had time to convene one sub-comittee on European Affairs. Now there's a leader for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/14/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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hillary is going to prove to be just an empty dress. No substance what so ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 03/14/2008
- PlantGod72 I'm a Fan of PlantGod72 47 fans permalink
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HEY, that's an empty PANTSUIT, thank you very much!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 03/14/2008

Woah, she's not only smart, she is a very fair individual ....since Obama's name was not even on the ballot,...(the really sad thing is, she seems to actually believe her own words), Go figure...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 03/14/2008
- anney I'm a Fan of anney 9 fans permalink

The vote to ban cluster bombs was also a test for a CIC, since something like 80% of cluster bomb deaths are civilians, mostly children. Hillary voted against banning them. Obama voted for the ban.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 03/14/2008

Thanks. I didn't know that.

She wants to prove how "tough" she is - ridiculing Obama for saying he'd talk to countries we don't like!!! I've had enough Yosemite Sam foreign policy, thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 03/14/2008
- Marichu I'm a Fan of Marichu 16 fans permalink
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In 2002 Senator Bob Graham was chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee. From an interview he gave that appeared in my local newspaper, he stated that he was surprised that as the nation neared entering the war, there was no NIE on the subject. So an NIE report was produced at the request of Graham’s committee and its House counterpart. According to Graham he said there were dissenting opinions as to whether Saddam had weapons of mass destruction -from the State Department and the Department of Energy, which is responsible for producing and maintaining US nuclear weapons.

To read the 90- page report, including the dissents, members of Congress had to go to a secured room in the Capital with armed guards and sign in. They couldn’t take notes and they couldn’t send representatives.

Graham had asked for an edited, nonclassified version of the report that could be made public. He said the CIA responded with a 25 -page document that omitted the dissenting information and included material not in the original NIE and that appeared to have been produced before the NIE, according to Graham.

“It was an undiluted call for war,” Graham said. He later learned that the document was the result of a request from the Bush administration months earlier for a summary of all evidence in favor of going to war.

Three days before the war-authorizing resolution vote he “forcefully urged” his Democratic Senator colleagues to read the full report and vote no on the war resolution. About a half-dozen senators signed into the secured room to view the report; only 23 senators voted no. His decision back then to vote against going to war in Iraq helped end a distinguished and long political career.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/14/2008
- Americano I'm a Fan of Americano 3 fans permalink
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Let's not kid ourselves, no American president in sound mind prior to this Bush would have gone to war in Iraq on such flimsy intelligence! None! Again the operative words are "in sound mind" We have here, in America today, a person as president that is not fit for the office." Just look at everything he touches, everything turns to crap! To say Hillary Clinton gave this president authorization to go to war is foolishness. This man was going to war no matter what anyone said! Lets remember "he was getting his instructions from higher authority."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 03/14/2008
- PlantGod72 I'm a Fan of PlantGod72 47 fans permalink
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Americano, I'm afraid that I GOT THAT about our current President, and was appalled by the members of Congress who apparently didn't!

So don't tell me that "To say Hillary Clinton gave this president authorization to go to war is foolishness". If I knew it, SHE KNEW IT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 03/14/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Our Constitution has a system of checks and balances to prevent a incompetent president from starting an unjustified, needless war. Congress failed in its duty to prevent it. Hillary was among those he permitted it. Enough said. It was the biggest foreign policy mistakes in American history and the most costly. It has done damage beyond measure to the Constitution, international law, and America's trust and standing in the world. NO ONE WHO VOTED FOR THE WAR IS QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 03/14/2008

Iraq is about the OIL. All the"intelligence" was rigged for cover. Look at the "Iraq hydrocarbon law" which we wrote and want them to sign... Kucinich and Ron Paul know it and have spoken up about it. Hell, we all know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Hillary could not be bothered to read the report about the illegal occupation of Iraq....

Bush could not be bothered to read the report about the impending attack on September 11th.......

What does this tell you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 03/14/2008

Two peas in a pod?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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That is what I am thinking..... The more I hear her speak, the way she is running her campaign, and the way she acts in general.... is making me completely sickened by her....

It just seems like the Clintons are showing themselves to be more and more like the Bush family....

I hope her supporters are beginning to see how true this really is.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 03/14/2008

"peas and carrots" as Forrest Gump would say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/14/2008

two folks who should have nothing to do with representing "we the people"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 03/14/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Thank You Congressman. Hillary was busy sleeping and could not even read it. Now she claims that she will be awake and alert to take the 3.00 AM call. Can someone stop this liar before she destroys the Democratic party please???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 03/14/2008
- Geminess I'm a Fan of Geminess 3 fans permalink
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Dumb and Dumber?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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How about Dangerous and Dangerouser (another made up word I know only Bush would get)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 03/14/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink
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Could we say with some fairness that the reason why Sen. Clinton did not read the NIE prior to voting for the Iraq War Resolution was that her mind was made up, and she did not want to be confused by the facts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 03/14/2008

yes we could

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 03/14/2008

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

OK . So let it get right. 20 years you have known the preacher and had enough times to go listen to him speak when you went to the church. And you are claiming that you never got to listen to those bad comments from your preacher. How can one take your word on this ? It simply does not make any sense to me. You say that he has not been your political advisor but a pastor. If you are so good at leadership and knowing right from wrong then how come you failed to get the feel of your pastor ( his profile and teachings ) long ago ? You blame Hillary for authorizing the Iraq war - you attribute it to her lack of leadership skills. On the other hand here you have been going to a church for 20 years and you are saying that you never listened to your preachers wrong sermons. Give me a break. It must be a fairy tale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 03/14/2008
- Geminess I'm a Fan of Geminess 3 fans permalink
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Nazi...WHO is defining "bad comments"? YOU? What might be "bad" to you may be reasonable and rational to another. How can you condemn someone based on YOUR perception of the term "bad comments".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 03/14/2008

So, can we assume YOUR Preacher, or Priest, or spiritual advisor is YOUR political advisor?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 03/14/2008

I appreciate your post and agree wholeheartedly. One thing you neglected to mention, which I feel is the most important "test", is the fact that Hillary was given access to the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) due to her status as a sitting member of the Armed Services Committee and admitted SHE NEVER READ IT! As far as I'm concerned, this one fact is beyond alarming, then you couple that with her numerous public statements about not trusting the Bush administration prior to her vote to give Bush authorization for war, and one has to wonder what the hell she was relying on for her "intelligence", if it wasn't the 16 agencies she now claims has the experience to govern. The only "test" she had where real lives were at stake didn't muster enough curiosity in her to at least read the intelligence. She later claimed she had "other sources". No one has ever pushed her on what those "sources" were. Regardless, she had the biggest test of all and failed to the tune of almost 4,000 dead soldiers and in some estimates over a million innocent Iraqi's. This world can't afford another politician who can't be inconvenienced with the facts. Blood is on her hands, and no race baiting can wash it off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Well said........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 03/14/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

In a famous meeting with Code Pink, video footage of which is posted on Youtube, Hillary said that she voted for the war resolution "after carefully reviewing the intelligence available" and "discounting political factors". She does indeed need to be confronted on this. As a test of her capacity to be Commander in Chief on day one, it would be helpful to hear her explain a decesionmaking process that led her to trust George Bush. Will she be equally trusting of Putin, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il, Hu Jintao et al. ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 03/14/2008

What surprised me most was that she admitted not reading it. A rare moment of honesty? More probably, they had to sign in to read it so she would have been caught in a lie - not that that seems to bother her - she says she was always against NAFTA, but her praise of it is a matter of record.

This is all about the old, dirty, backroom, deal-making politics of lobbyists and party hacks, or a chance for something different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/14/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

WHY MUST THIS PROCEDURE EXTEND MONTHS WITHOUT DLC LEADERS VOTING FOR THEIR CHOICE AND MAKING HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON CONCEDE THE PRIMARY TO SENATOR OBAMA.

IF THE REAL DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP WERE NOT A MINORITY CAUCUS WITHIN THE DLC AND DINO CONTROLLED LEADERSHIP, WOULD THIS CONTINUE? IF TERRY MCAULIFFE , THE EX DNC CHAIR WAS NOT RUNNING HRC'S CAMPAIGN, WOULD THEY NOT HAVE CALLED IN THIS CHARADE?

OF COURSE.....THE ONLY STRATEGY IS NOT FOR HILLARY TO WIN THE PRIMARY. HILL AND BILL CLINTON HAVE ONE GOAL THEY SHARE WITH MCCAIN....THE DEFEAT OF OBAMA IN THE GENERAL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 03/14/2008
- Rendon76 I'm a Fan of Rendon76 16 fans permalink
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Michigan and Florida don't get to vote that's it, bottom line. Stop banging your stupid heads on the wall. The rules were outlined a very long time ago. Follow the rules and you won't break your head as much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 03/14/2008

I agree. Stand by the agreement...or just split them equally and seat them at convention. End of saga.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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You must be one of those people who got to vote in the primary.... thanks for saying other people in the country do not count..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 03/14/2008

yup

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 03/14/2008

Wow, the old white guy being the voice of reason. The only test for being President is being President. Which makes the Iraq war vote a darn good test for who is better to be commander-in-chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/14/2008
- hulka37 I'm a Fan of hulka37 8 fans permalink

Thank you, Bob. Jeeeeez people, that should be a no brainer, especially if you call yourself a Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/14/2008
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If they're looking for an idea on Huffington Post, here's an idea:

Since the primaries are over, allow the candidates to NOW begin campaigning in those states for the general, [if they can't already], to assuage the hurt some voters may feel so they DON'T vote republican out of spite, and assure them their interests will be represented by Democrats. That takes the sting out of any republican attempts to exploit this. The additional attention the states receive could give them ample time to air their grievances and climb on board before the general election. Obama and Clinton could then also explain to voters in those states who may not know all the facts, the reasons they had to comply with the DNC rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/14/2008
- mtrav I'm a Fan of mtrav 8 fans permalink

Bob Graham is a typical republican type democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/14/2008
- savertime I'm a Fan of savertime 4 fans permalink

You mean like Bill and Hillary Clinton??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 03/14/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

Oh geez...savertime..how very immature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 03/14/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

HRC indeed failed the test in October 2002. Let's look at why. She worried about her image and didn't want to make waves or give a vote that would be used against her (she assumed). Hence, she didn't even bother to read the NIE as a basis for her vote. It was a thoughtless decision geared toward ensuring her record could not be used against her when she ran. I mean, where is there any substance to what she did as senator? She was putting in time and biding it in the hopes no one would take any offence to this "record." Did she sponsor meaningful legislation? Nope. Naming a building after someone doesn't rise to that level. She's done nothing to establish leadership or core principles. But now we're told about 'em. Where were they in the senate?

I'm sick of her calling Obama an empty suit. Frankly, I find the terms she uses apply best to herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 03/14/2008

I'm sick of her calling Obama an empty suit. Frankly, I find the terms she uses apply best to herself.

It's called "Projection". And often used tactic by the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 03/14/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I am wondering which side she is really on....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 03/14/2008
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